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[BroncoInferno]

I think the 1-4 start and 1-4 finish is a closer reflection of where this team is at from a talent perspective than the 7-1 sandwiched in between. We had a lot of fortune in that 7-1 run. Some of it was the novelty Tebow brought to the running game, some of it was the defense getting hot against a string of mediocre-to-poor QBs. While it's fair to be skeptical of Tebow in the passing game, the success of the running game was largely the result of the unique threat Tebow presented to teams as a runner. That masked a lot of problems with our OL, specifically the interior. That element disappears with Manning, so if we sign him we better couple it with signing Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs at guard and Saturday at center, otherwise Manning will get killed. Then we need a veteran receiver like Reggie Wayne. And that doesn't even address our defense that got raped by pretty much any above average QB they faced. We have $50 million of cap space and the draft to address some of that, so I think we could piece together a good team, but there are too many holes to put a championship team together. At least not this season, and there's no point in pursuing Manning if you don't think you can win a championship right away.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by WhoIsJohnGalt

sorry, but we won't get a starting NFL caliber player from another team by giving them our 5th round picks. if we want an elite LB or S, we will pay through the nose.

i honestly can't believe i have to explain this to you. this is not a videogame. it takes time to rebuild a bad team. we were 4-12 in 2010 in case you don't remember. we're better now, but we're far from elite.

We can draft a starting caliber player in the draft. Believe it or not teams do do that. We got two starters just last year without trading draft picks!

I can't believe I have to explain this to you. This is real life. We went from 4-12 in 10 to 8-8 in one offseason by drafting well and bringing in the right FA without even spending a ton! See we improved 4 wins in one offseason without trading away the future!!!!

[errand]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

The Broncos roster is "loaded with talent"? :say what:

Seriously, if EFX try to sign Manning it will prove they have absolutely no ****ing clue what they are doing. Period. Not than Manning will have any interest with our lack of offensive talent or good offensive coaching, but that's neither here nor there.

Maybe they feel Manning can do more with our offensive players...amazing there's no talk of improving WR corps by pursuing Moss .

Guess this tells us who Elway thinks who fault the passing game woes were....

[McDman]

Probably the main reason I want him here is to rid us of these insufferable d-bag Teboners.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by extralife

whelp, pretty easy to tell the difference between broncos fans and tebow fans now

Yep.

[Broncojef]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

We don't have to trade picks cause of Manning. That is something you are just making up. Like I said if anything we get more draft picks because we will be trading Tebow since you guys don't think we can keep both QBs for some crazy ass reason.

I think if we do somehow sign Manning cutting bait with Tebow and going with similar style back-ups makes sense. I love the kid but being a backup to a guy like Manning wouldn't be fair to him.

[errand]

Originally Posted by WhoIsJohnGalt

can't believe we have clowns on here that think signing Manning would be a good thing for a team that only recently accepted the fact that they needed to rebuild via the draft to fill positional holes all over the roster and to add much needed depth.

Oh...I forgot we have to surrender draft picks when we sign UFA's...

[Jay3]

Originally Posted by KO5K

Shannon weighs in:

He prob think the Broncos might be little too far away to challenge for sb. RT @danmcleran @ShannonSharpe Sharpy, what are the odds we get #18 on the #Broncos?

Yeah, I think if it doesn't happen, it will be because Peyton killed it. I think the vaunted o-line and defense of the Broncos is not quite as good as the Tebow haters like to think.

[ColoradoDarin]

Don't want to sign a QB who is coming off of 4 neck surgeries = Tebow fans, God this place is ****ing stupid sometimes.

[OrangeCrush2724]

My guess is he signs with Miami tomorrow. He is not going to let this thing run on.

[errand]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush2724

He flew into Miami right after the news conference. He already has a home in Miami. Miami has good weather, good defense, decent running game, and likely Wayne would follow him to come back home to Miami.

Only potential problem is Philbin is there and he loves Matt Flyn who has shown he knows his system inside and out.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

I think the 1-4 start and 1-4 finish is a closer reflection of where this team is at from a talent perspective than the 7-1 sandwiched in between. We had a lot of fortune in that 7-1 run. Some of it was the novelty Tebow brought to the running game, some of it was the defense getting hot against a string of mediocre-to-poor QBs. While it's fair to be skeptical of Tebow in the passing game, the success of the running game was largely the result of the unique threat Tebow presented to teams as a runner. That masked a lot of problems with our OL, specifically the interior. That element disappears with Manning, so if we sign him we better couple it with signing Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs at guard and Saturday at center, otherwise Manning will get killed. Then we need a veteran receiver like Reggie Wayne. And that doesn't even address our defense that got raped by pretty much any above average QB they faced. We have $50 million of cap space and the draft to address some of that, so I think we could piece together a good team, but there are too many holes to put a championship team together. At least not this season, and there's no point in pursuing Manning if you don't think you can win a championship right away.

Good post, largely agree. But ask yourself this: are we better off this coming season with Tebow or a healthy Peyton Manning starting? Are we in a better position to attract FA's with Tebow or Manning? I think the answer to both questions is fairly obvious. Remember, the passing threat that Manning brings to the table moves some defensive players away from the line of scrimmage, and Mannings ability to read defenses and get rid of the ball quickly helps as well. Manning could probably help bring in a key skill position player or two in FA, and if we grab at least 1 O-lineman upgrade and maybe a few guys on defense between the draft and FA we'll be much improved. A guy can dream! My biggest reservation would be that if we have to move Tebow who is the QBOTF?

[extralife]

Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin

Don't want to sign a QB who is coming off of 4 neck surgeries = Tebow fans, God this place is ****ing stupid sometimes.

it's the rhetoric, which is mostly "BUT TEBOW AND PLAYOFFS" or "all of our players suck only Tebow helped us win games this team blows." If Peyton is healthy, he's healthy. You're not a doctor. Presumably, the Broncos have a few.

[KO5K]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Good post, largely agree. But ask yourself this: are we better off this coming season with Tebow or a healthy Peyton Manning starting? Are we in a better position to attract FA's with Tebow or Manning? I think the answer to both questions is fairly obvious. Remember, the passing threat that Manning brings to the table moves some defensive players away from the line of scrimmage, and Mannings ability to read defenses and get rid of the ball quickly helps as well. Manning could probably help bring in a key skill position player or two in FA, and if we grab at least 1 O-lineman upgrade and maybe a few guys on defense between the draft and FA we'll be much improved. A guy can dream! My biggest reservation would be that if we have to move Tebow who is the QBOTF?

I don't think even Tebow fans will disagree with this post.

The problem is the last sentence. If Lombardi is right and the Broncos traded Tebow, what happens if Manning does go down injured?

You're left with nothing.

[phisig150]

I love the idea of Manning throwing to Thomas, Wayne, Decker and possibly Garcon. Line's decent. D showed improvment. This team with Manning is probably in the 12 win territory with deep playoff run possibilities. Way I see it even if Manning gets hurt or if we decide to go with Tebow the whole season we probably end up with the same amount of wins and draft Barkley. Rather roll the dice with a real QB than stick with the gimmicky flash in the pan.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin

Don't want to sign a QB who is coming off of 4 neck surgeries = Tebow fans, God this place is ****ing stupid sometimes.

Yes.

[OrangeCrush2724]

Originally Posted by errand

Only potential problem is Philbin is there and he loves Matt Flyn who has shown he knows his system inside and out.

Yeah but the owner is star struck. And he has made it very clear that he wants Manning. The owner will get what he wants over the rookie coach if it comes to Manning Vs Flyn.

[KevinJames]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

So how long to you think Manning would be here, and how long to do you think Tebow is signed for? The answers to those questions should be interesting...

4 or 5 years if Tebow is gone.

If Tebow isn't gone maybe its a 1 or 2 year thing and we sign Tebow to an extension.

I get what your saying though. Its a sticky situation, and Tebow may be moved but I doubt its this year if we did get Manning.

[KO5K]

Originally Posted by extralife

If Peyton is healthy, he's healthy. You're not a doctor. Presumably, the Broncos have a few.

Not really.

The chances of him re injuring the neck will be a hell of a lot higher than if he had never had the problem.

[SoCalBronco]

PFT makes a good point....if this doesn't work, its going to make it alot more awkward for the FO/Tebow relationship than it already is. Be careful, John. If Manning is what they really want, they sure as hell better get him, or else there are going to be issues. I'm not sure Manning is a great idea at this point anyway, since I don't think we are one player away and he has just a couple years left anyway.

[Gort]

Originally Posted by errand

Oh...I forgot we have to surrender draft picks when we sign UFA's...

show me where i ever wrote that. please.

i explained how we would lose draft picks. if you disagree, then argue honestly. don't be a douche and make snarky comments that aren't based on anything i wrote. m'kay?

[errand]

Originally Posted by rbackfactory80

You're right. I questioned that as soon as I posted it.


That Jets game just sticks out like a sore thumb.

Even the great ones have bad games...ovetall he's been a very good playoff QB....I mean he generally had to beat some elite teams to make it SB. Figure Steelers Ravens, Pats Titans,etc....point being is AFC conference titles weren't easy to win during his career....kind of like NFC in late 70'sand 80's

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by KO5K

If Lombardi is right and the Broncos traded Tebow, what happens if Manning does go down injured?

Yup, if Tebow were to be moved we'd have to go after a quality #2 guy. The whole move would initially raise as many questions as it answered. But I'll leave that up to EFX to sort out. They wouldn't go into such a thing blindly, and neither would Manning from at least a short term perspective and to a certain extent.

[KevinJames]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

PFT makes a good point....if this doesn't work, its going to make it alot more awkward for the FO/Tebow relationship than it already is. Be careful, John. If Manning is what they really want, they sure as hell better get him, or else there are going to be issues. I'm not sure Manning is a great idea at this point anyway, since I don't think we are one player away and he has just a couple years left anyway.

I got a weird weird feeling their backup plan is to throw the farm at STL for RG3

just a weird feeling 0-10% of it happening but I am just use to crazy moves by our organization.

I'd rather have Manning.

[Circle Orange]

I KNOW!!

We can pay Manning $50 million for three years. THROWING DOWNS ONLY. Then, Tebow is brought in for RUNNING DOWNS ONLY. He gets paid a bonus of $14 million a year. No controversy, no pain. FIXED!! So Peyton goes in to throw, Tim goes in to run. Back and forth! And to keep opposing teams confused, we can mix it up on downs! You know, run when you're supposed to pass, pass when you're supposed to run.

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