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Old 10-18-2014, 09:21 AM   #976
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Wilson is probably second only to Luck when it comes to being mobile and still looking down the field. Cam has come a long way in terms of being a pocket passer, but when he's flushed from the pocket he's a rusher, not a passer.
So now you're talking about being mobile and passing outside the pocket - when my original statement you disagreed with was talking about passing in the pocket.

Just go look at how many times Wilson throws in a season vs Newton. Better yet - combine passing attempts and rushing attempts of each player and compare. It's pretty obvious who has more responsibility for their offense.

Wilson is out here throwing in the 100+ yard range in a game (on a regular basis) and winning.

To me - the difference is so big that - the only way you can come to a conclusion that Wilson is better is if you only watch sportscenter or some other retarded show - because if you actually see both them play and take into account scheme and talent - you'd have to be damn near retarded to even think Wilson is better.
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So now you're talking about being mobile and passing outside the pocket - when my original statement you disagreed with was talking about passing in the pocket.

Just go look at how many times Wilson throws in a season vs Newton. Better yet - combine passing attempts and rushing attempts of each player and compare. It's pretty obvious who has more responsibility for their offense.

Wilson is out here throwing in the 100+ yard range in a game and winning.

To me - the difference is so big that - the only way you can come to a conclusion that Wilson is better is if you only watch sportscenter or some other retarded show - because if you actually see both them play and take into account scheme and talent - you'd have to be damn near retarded to even think Wilson is better.
You're clearly hopelessly biased here. I don't like either of them. Everything you mention above has nothing to do with the QBs, but the teams they play for.

Cam has more responsibility, sure, which means he has more opportunities, and he also makes more mistakes.
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Old 10-18-2014, 09:30 AM   #978
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Wilson is a better QB by far where it matters most. That is throwing the football, avoiding sacks and knowing when to run. Throw in leadership and super bowl ring and it isn't a discussion.
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Wilson is a better QB by far where it matters most. That is throwing the football, avoiding sacks and knowing when to run. Throw in leadership and super bowl ring and it isn't a discussion.
Wilson > Marino off Super Bowl rings right guy?

Wilson isnt close to Cam, stop it.
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Old 10-18-2014, 11:47 AM   #980
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Wilson > Marino off Super Bowl rings right guy?

Wilson isnt close to Cam, stop it.
Wilson is better than Cam. you ignored the 4 or 5 other areas where the poster said Wilson is better than Cam and focused on 1 also
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Old 10-18-2014, 12:07 PM   #981
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Wilson > Marino off Super Bowl rings right guy?

Wilson isnt close to Cam, stop it.
I mentioned more than one area. Take the ring out and he is still better. Denver shut down Lynch in the SB and Wilson won the game on 3rd down conversions.
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Old 10-18-2014, 12:55 PM   #982
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What a great reread. I forgot about this thread and there are some posters that probably cringed it got bumped.
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Old 10-18-2014, 12:56 PM   #983
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Wilson is a better QB by far where it matters most. That is throwing the football, avoiding sacks and knowing when to run. Throw in leadership and super bowl ring and it isn't a discussion.
Better at throwing the football?

Better at avoiding sacks and knowing when to run?

Last year:

Wilson: 407 throwing attempts 44 sacks

Newton: 474 throwing attempts 43 sacks



Wilson had 8 fumbles last year and 4 this year.

Cam had 1 last year and 2 this year.

Can you even imagine Cam on the Seahawks?

Orangemane posters constantly make up bull**** left and right and have no idea what the **** they're talking about.

Why do you people even post when it's clear you don't watch or know anything?
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Wilson is better than Cam. you ignored the 4 or 5 other areas where the poster said Wilson is better than Cam and focused on 1 also
Wilson isnt better at throwing the ball.

Nor is he better at reading a defense, he's an average pocket passer (Wilson is)

And Wilson was sacked more in less pass attempts, wanna get owned some more, we can keep going frodo boy.
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Old 10-18-2014, 12:59 PM   #985
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Action dropping HAMMERS on the Wilson slops.
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Anyone claiming wilson is better at throwing the football is ****ing retarded point blank - clearly doesn't watch football. That conservative game managing offense the seahawks run is hilarious.

Wilson is on a loaded ass team. Even with that - 3 times last year he threw for 40% (Almost 30 with 1 more incompletion)... that's tim tebow status.

Wilson is a game manager that excels outside the pockets and need a GREAT run game to be productive and play well.
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Wilson isnt better at throwing the ball.

Nor is he better at reading a defense, he's an average pocket passer (Wilson is)

Nope.
Wilson is better at nearly every metric RE:playing QB, specifically the ones measuring efficiency.
  • higher completion %
  • higher Y/A
  • higher AY/A
  • more TD passes per game played
  • higher TD %
  • lower INT %
  • a rating 13 points higher than Newton's
  • higher career QBR
  • more 4th Qaurter comebacks
  • more GW drives
  • better W/L record


if you used PFR's advanced passing metrics, Wilson blows Newton away again with higher:
  • Y/A+
  • NY/A+
  • AY/A+
  • ANY/A+
  • Cmp%+
  • TD%+
  • Int%+

Thus far, Newton has done 2 things better than Wilson. He's taken fewer sacks per passing play and he's played a better GL RB.

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The question is who would you build your team around if you had the choice between Wilson and Newton? I'd pick Wilson but that's just me.
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Even with that - 3 times last year he threw for 40%
and he still has a career completion % higher than Newton
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Anyone claiming wilson is better at throwing the football is ****ing retarded point blank - clearly doesn't watch football. That conservative game managing offense the seahawks run is hilarious.

Wilson is on a loaded ass team. Even with that - 3 times last year he threw for 40% (Almost 30 with 1 more incompletion)... that's tim tebow status.

Wilson is a game manager that excels outside the pockets and need a GREAT run game to be productive and play well.
People are entitled to their own opinions. Newton couldn't win a home playoff game last year with the 2nd best D in the league so chew on that.
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The question is who would you build your team around if you had the choice between Wilson and Newton? I'd pick Wilson but that's just me.
Is the LOB and Lynch coming with Wilson?

Thats why Seattle is so good, not Wilson.

Newton by a landslide.

Not close.
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People are entitled to their own opinions. Newton couldn't win a home playoff game last year with the 2nd best D in the league so chew on that.
Because losing to SF, one of the top teams in the league is so awful?
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Newton by a landslide.

Not close.
the numbers say otherwise, but to each his own. I mean Chrissy would take Foles over Luck despite all evidence to the contrary too so hey....
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and he still has a career completion % higher than Newton
Because he's not asked to throw the ball much, dumbass.

He's never thrown 40 passes, NEVER won a game in which the other team scores 25+ points.

Game.

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He won a ****ing playoff game with a line of 9/18 for 108 yards. Thats Tebow status.
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Is the LOB and Lynch coming with Wilson?

Thats why Seattle is so good, not Wilson.

Newton by a landslide.

Not close.
Well, that's just like, your opinion, man. Also, Carolina isn't exactly depleted of talent. Just say'n.
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Wilson is better at nearly every metric RE:playing QB, specifically the ones measuring efficiency.
  • higher completion %
  • higher Y/A
  • higher AY/A
  • more TD passes per game played
  • higher TD %
  • lower INT %
  • a rating 13 points higher than Newton's
  • higher career QBR
  • more 4th Qaurter comebacks
  • more GW drives
  • better W/L record


if you used PFR's advanced passing metrics, Wilson blows Newton away again with higher:
  • Y/A+
  • NY/A+
  • AY/A+
  • ANY/A+
  • Cmp%+
  • TD%+
  • Int%+

Thus far, Newton has done 2 things better than Wilson. He's taken fewer sacks per passing play and he's played a better GL RB.
Well no **** those are going to be better - are we going to judge their team, defense, talent, coaching staff, and system? Better W/L record? Are you ****ing kidding me? So Wilson's W/L is better than Aaron Rodgers I guess he's better than Rodgers too.

That's why I emphasize WATCHING football. You compare these stats yet the variables that are out of control of both QBs that factor into these stats are dramatically different.

You really think Wilson would be leading in this stats had they switched teams?

This is beyond opinion - this is absolute stupid logic.
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Well, that's just like, your opinion, man. Also, Carolina isn't exactly depleted of talent. Just say'n.
Worst OL in football, overpaid RB's, **** secondary, Hardy isnt playing this year.

Other than Benjamin, terrible WR's.

But sure, they're just as talented as Seattle is.
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Because he's not asked to throw the ball much, dumbass.

He's never thrown 40 passes, NEVER won a game in which the other team scores 25+ points.

Game.

Manager.

He won a ****ing playoff game with a line of 9/18 for 108 yards. Thats Tebow status.
and John Elway (12-22-123-0-1) status in a super bowl.
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the numbers say otherwise, but to each his own. I mean Chrissy would take Foles over Luck despite all evidence to the contrary too so hey....
If you're trying to draw a line from Foles vs Luck to Cam vs Wilson

Foles = Wilson
Luck = Cam

1 benefits from coaching staff and system, and talent

The other doesn't, yet their whole offense is built around them.

What a ****ing coincidence Wilson and Foles have/had dominate running games huh?
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and John Elway (12-22-123-0-1) status in a super bowl.
You're not comparing Wilson to Elway, are you?

Please tell me you aren't................
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