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Old 11-05-2012, 09:35 PM   #951
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Nope, I have an aversion to morons who think Tebow was the sole reason we made playoffs last season.

Orton played himself out of a job....and I appreciate Tebow helping us win a playoff game just as much as I appreciated any back-up QB we've had that did ok like Gus and Gary and Norris...but the bottom line is they were back-ups for a reason
What reason was there for Tebow being a backup behind Orton when the results of each is so heavily skewed toward the former? Could it be a failure of the coaching staff? I really want you to explain how Tebow's not starting is an indictment of him when, given the chance, he took (excuse me, "helped") a 1-4 squad to the playoffs. Would it not make infinitely more sense that, had Tebow failed, you would be correct with that assessment? How can you be correct in both worlds? By having your cake and eating it too? By using monstrously stupid logic? I don't know.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:29 PM   #952
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I'm sorry you have an aversion to playoff wins.

We should have stuck with Orton. Of course, with Orton the ship would have sank completely and Peyton Manning never would have dared come to this team. Ahh, what a quandary.
KO would be in year one of a new contract if this guy's dreams had come true.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:33 PM   #953
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So how come a talent such as he cannot unseat such journeymen like Orton and Sanchez in pre-season and practice? Sure if you want to say the Broncos were blind to his amazing QBing skills...but the Jets too? C'mon man....
The Jets just signed Dirty Sanchez to a way overpriced deal. I think it was in that article someone posted of the worst 10 contracts in the NFL. How smart can they be?
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:33 AM   #954
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at all the posters claiming that NFL GM's would take Tebow over Newton. Newton isn't even that good but he is better than Tebow.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:44 AM   #955
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This tebow shiat is pure crazy!! Loved last season, but thank god for PFM...Cam is better than tebow
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:48 AM   #956
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at all the posters claiming that NFL GM's would take Tebow over Newton. Newton isn't even that good but he is better than Tebow.
See, last year you would've been talking about how much of the real deal Cam was.

He's no more destined to greatness than TT. Likely less so when you look at their characters.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:57 AM   #957
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See, last year you would've been talking about how much of the real deal Cam was.

He's no more destined to greatness than TT. Likely less so when you look at their characters.
I have never been a CAM fan. That being said character will only get you so far it will ultimately come down to skill and Tebow's passing skills are one of te worst of all time.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:28 AM   #958
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That's quite the requirement. Not only did you exclude Tim Tebow with your stupid limitation, congratulations on that by the way, you also managed to throw out Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, etc. etc. etc.
Brady and Warner got their jobs due to injuries to the starter and never gave them back. that's not due to the starter sucking...
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at all the posters claiming that NFL GM's would take Tebow over Newton. Newton isn't even that good but he is better than Tebow.
NFL GM's would take Tebow over Newton.
as a special teams player.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:42 AM   #960
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Nope, I have an aversion to morons who think Tebow was the sole reason we made playoffs last season.

Orton played himself out of a job....and I appreciate Tebow helping us win a playoff game just as much as I appreciated any back-up QB we've had that did ok like Gus and Gary and Norris...but the bottom line is they were back-ups for a reason
I appreciate Tebow helping Denver get Peyton Manning.
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Old 10-17-2014, 11:57 AM   #961
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If I had to pick somebody as the most spectacular quarterback in football, I’d have to choose Aaron Rodgers. It’s surreal to see what Rodgers can do sometimes; nobody snaps off 40-yard passes while his body’s moving in the opposite direction in between steps like Rodgers. The touchdown pass he threw to Randall Cobb last week was just unfair, which is classic Rodgers.

You know who might represent a pretty good competitor for Rodgers? Cam Newton, who has been one of the best quarterbacks in football this year with virtually nothing around him. All of his running backs are hurt. His offensive line sucks. Greg Olsen and Kelvin Benjamin, his two best receivers, are dealing with injuries. That should be a problem for Newton. It’s not, because he isn’t operating in a space where things that are typically problems matter. Let’s look at a critical fourth-quarter drive from last week’s tie with the Bengals to see how that works.

It’s normally a problem if your right tackle disintegrates into ash in front of you on third-and-7, right? Not so much if you’re Cam Newton.

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That’s incredible. The Bengals have Carlos Dunlap treat right tackle Nate Chandler like he’s a prop and green-dogging linebacker Vontaze Burfict run past stumbling right guard Trai Turner. If Newton takes one false step, he’s toast. Instead, with the entire right side of his offensive line on their ass, Newton casually takes a half-step back from Dunlap, scrambles intelligently away from what is now a flock of four Bengals, blows up Wallace Gilberry’s angle of pursuit, and casually glides to the sticks for a huge first down.

You like passes? What about passes on fourth down? Those are even more fun, right? Here’s Newton at the helm of the riverboat:

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That’s insane. I chose the broadcast angle over the All-22 angle for the GIF because I wanted to point out that even the hard camera operator couldn’t believe this pass got through. The Bengals have the exact play call they were hoping for here, with man coverage with several underneath zones designed to take away the throwing lanes for a slant. They get a pair of slants on the strong side. The defender on the inside slant, recognizing that Newton is going for the backside slant to Benjamin, comes off his man to try to jump the route. The zone defender sees the pass developing and tries to get over. Even Terence Newman, the cornerback in coverage on Benjamin, can see the pass coming.

And none of it matters one bit, because Newton fires a slant in to Benjamin so hard and with such perfect timing that there’s nothing anybody can do. The pass has such velocity that the defenders trying to tip it away don’t make it into the air for their despairing dives until the ball is already past them. The hard camera does a double take. Newman doesn’t even have a prayer of getting in the way of the pass. The only hope is that Benjamin drops the pass or that George Iloka can jar the ball out with a big hit, and Newton puts such zip on the pass that Benjamin has enough time to catch it and brace himself for impact.

This isn’t last year’s Panthers. The defense, third in DVOA last year, is 28th through six weeks. Injuries and retirements have slowed the running game, Newton aside, to a crawl; after averaging 3.9 yards per carry last year, Carolina’s assorted running backs have produced just 2.8 yards per rush this year. They’re a flawed team in a flawed division. Given that they needed a missed chip shot to come away with a draw in Cincinnati last weekend, they’re probably lucky to be 3-2-1. Of course, they’re also lucky to have Newton as their quarterback.
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Cam is one of my favorite QBs in the league. Keep gets more national attention because of 49ers - but I think Cam is a much better player that doesn't have the benefit of elite coaching.

Imagine Cam with Chip Kelly....he'd probably win MVP.
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Imagine Cam with Chip Kelly....he'd probably win MVP.
Dear god, swap out Foles for Newton and they'd be marching the Lombardi down Broad St. this coming February.
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Old 10-17-2014, 08:55 PM   #964
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This thread has so much fail by the usual suspects.....comedy gold!
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Old 10-17-2014, 09:05 PM   #965
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Foles is gold compared to Cam..
If Foles is Gold then Cam is King Solomon.
Cam is developing into one of the better QB's in the NFL.
I wanna see what he can do with more weapons around him. Dude is a beast now and he barely has a legit WR corp.
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Old 10-17-2014, 09:18 PM   #966
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Cam is one of my favorite QBs in the league. Keep gets more national attention because of 49ers - but I think Cam is a much better player that doesn't have the benefit of elite coaching.

Imagine Cam with Chip Kelly....he'd probably win MVP.
or constantly be injured
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Old 10-17-2014, 10:52 PM   #967
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Old 10-17-2014, 10:58 PM   #968
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False.
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Old 10-17-2014, 11:00 PM   #969
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Doubt it - as Cam really wants to be a passer. He's the only rushing type QB in the league that can actually pass and wants to stay in the pocket.

I'm talking about the Kaepernicks, Wilsons, RG3s of the league.

Chip Kelly is an extremely smart coach and would coach Cam Newton up with injuries in mind.
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Nick Foles is slow as **** as is the only thing holding that offense from dominating the NFL.

Nick Foles has the same type of mobility as Philip Rivers and Kyle Orton...but he's only 25.

Let me also add - how did this Chrissy b**** become so ****ing stupid? Someone needs to judo chop her in the throat and get her off the forums.

I'd try the whole ripping balls off routine with her, but my hands would probably be full of dust if I reached down there...
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Old 10-18-2014, 05:21 AM   #971
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Doubt it - as Cam really wants to be a passer. He's the only rushing type QB in the league that can actually pass and wants to stay in the pocket.
um....Russell Wilson is far better at the above the Newton.
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um....Russell Wilson is far better at the above the Newton.
No he's not

He's not better - and to even say he's "far" better tells me you don't really watch either of them play - or you don't know what you're watching.

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No he's not

He's not better - and to even say he's "far" better tells me you don't really watch either of them play - or you don't know what you're watching.
Wilson is probably second only to Luck when it comes to being mobile and still looking down the field. Cam has come a long way in terms of being a pocket passer, but when he's flushed from the pocket he's a rusher, not a passer.
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Wilson averages 213 passing yards per game.

To put his name with Cam is disrepecful to Cam.

Cam is a beast, big fan of his.

Has no one to throw too, worst OL in football and still dominates.
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Wilson averages 213 passing yards per game.

To put his name with Cam is disrepecful to Cam.

Cam is a beast, big fan of his.

Has no one to throw too, worst OL in football and still dominates.
Newton averaged 211 passing yards per game last year.
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