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[Butterscotch Stallion]

Originally Posted by Spider

I have to agree with OABB ( man I fell stupid now ) think Tebow can change , he needs to stop doing the Talk show circuit and start retraining himself , He has been able to get by with marginal skills in College , but he is going to have to work double time on his footwork first and foremost , Do you remember Arturo Gatti ? the boxer ? well he went from Brawler to boxer and revived his career , if he can learn to switch styles , Tebow can learn the proper foot work ...Just a matter of dedication

manny pacquiou too. actually all fine tuned athletes work. I dont know why people think skill is innate. glad you stopped trolling and decided to be spider again. OABB is.probably lurking and very proud of me for saving you right now.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Butterscotch Stallion

manny pacquiou too. actually all fine tuned athletes work. I dont know why people think skill is innate. glad you stopped trolling and decided to be spider again. OABB is.probably lurking and very proud of me for saving you right now.

you are still an Idiot

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by Spider

he biatch slaps the taste out of your mouth and you hide behind bullshiat ...... Same ole Rev

He didn't answer my question. I want to know why he WILL improve. Not speculation.

[Butterscotch Stallion]

Originally Posted by Spider

he biatch slaps the taste out of your mouth and you hide behind bullshiat ...... Same ole Rev

lol. he never answered the rev...come on!

both therev and I answered him as a sign of respect. we didnt jump on him. we gave him rope.

he never answered. thats how I feel is not an answer.


jesus christ!

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

He didn't answer my question. I want to know why he WILL improve. Not speculation.

One last time you ****ing ****:

Why do you THINK HE WONT IMPROVE IN THOSE AREAS?

I answered mine... just because you dont know the sport either doesnt mean you need to hide like a b**** (aka errand and TonyR)

[Butterscotch Stallion]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

He didn't answer my question. I want to know why he WILL improve. Not speculation.

wow.














































stunned at this.






you are a weakling. have some balls.

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by Butterscotch Stallion

lol. he never answered the rev...come on!

both therev and I answered gom as a sign of respect. we didnt jump on him. we gave him rope.

he never answered. thats hiw I feel is not an answer.


jesus christ!

OK, I'm giving you this chance.

How do you KNOW Tebow will, improve? Tell me why he WILL improve? I don't want speculation. I want assurance.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

OK, I'm giving you this chance.

How do you KNOW Tebow will, improve? Tell me why he WILL improve? I don't want speculation. I want assurance.

Man up douche:

Originally Posted by TheReverend

I cover most of it ITT:

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread....52#post3480552

But let's go over the cliffs of it:

1. He's NEVER had a full off-season

2. Now he'll not only have that full off-season, but he'll be getting the first team reps

3. His closest physical parallel and former HoF'er: Elway himself has pledged to be working with him (for details there are several articles. More importantly ones where Elway debunks your throwing motion criticism and says they'll be working on footwork to develop the consistency he needs)

4. He'll finally have a real system. Not to criticize what they developed for him on the fly... but it was on the fly. Now they'll have a foundation to build off of and the mental game can be formed instead of a primary focus on athletic reaction.

5. One of, if not THE, best work ethics in the business.

6. It's already shown MASSIVE improvement. Reference an ESPN special in December where they highlighted his footwork improvements. Reference every quote from Elway to Mariucci to Brady and Belichick and the Pat's QB coach, etc

So in summary:

He's already shown huge improvement. Now we get the opportunity to develop and see a lot more of it.

See how that works? A well thought out and reasoned answer to your question! You guys should try it sometime!

Respond like a big boy.

[Butterscotch Stallion]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

OK, I'm giving you this chance.

How do you KNOW Tebow will, improve? Tell me why he WILL improve? I don't want speculation. I want assurance.

am I in a nightmare?

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

One last time you ****ing ****:

Why do you THINK HE WONT IMPROVE IN THOSE AREAS?

I answered mine... just because you dont know the sport either doesnt mean you need to hide like a b**** (aka errand and TonyR)

Why do you THINK HE WILL IMPROVE IN THOSE AREAS?

You and butterscotch's argument is uniquely absurd.

[Butterscotch Stallion]

is anyone seeing this? Am I real. pinch me.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

1. He's NEVER had a full off-season

2. Now he'll not only have that full off-season, but he'll be getting the first team reps

3. His closest physical parallel and former HoF'er: Elway himself has pledged to be working with him (for details there are several articles. More importantly ones where Elway debunks your throwing motion criticism and says they'll be working on footwork to develop the consistency he needs)

4. He'll finally have a real system. Not to criticize what they developed for him on the fly... but it was on the fly. Now they'll have a foundation to build off of and the mental game can be formed instead of a primary focus on athletic reaction.

5. One of, if not THE, best work ethics in the business.

6. It's already shown MASSIVE improvement. Reference an ESPN special in December where they highlighted his footwork improvements. Reference every quote from Elway to Mariucci to Brady and Belichick and the Pat's QB coach, etc

Devil's Advocate says...

1. Neither did Cam Newton or any other rookie QB.

2. Fair. But he's been working on his throwing mechanics since before the NFL draft. It's fair to be concerned that he's just not going to suddenly get it.

3. Sounds good. But do we know that Elway is a natural teacher or a coach? Tebow's had some pretty good football people work with him over the last few years, right?

4. Probably the strongest of your points. The trick will be his abilities getting to the point where they can work in the system.

5. I'm sure he has a great work ethic. So does most every top tier player in the NFL. You don't succeed at this level without working your ass off.

6. He's improved. But there was also a video out (which I can't seem to find now) that showed how during games he was reverting back to his bad habits. And for every guy making positive comments there's a guy making not as positive comments. You really can't believe what you hear from either side.

So we're right back where we started. You're optimistic. I'm have a little more doubt.

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Man up douche:




Respond like a big boy.

Man up.

Tell me how you KNOW he will improve?

Respond like a big boy.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Butterscotch Stallion

lol. he never answered the rev...come on!

both therev and I answered him as a sign of respect. we didnt jump on him. we gave him rope.

he never answered. thats how I feel is not an answer.


jesus christ!

The hell he didnt .......he owned the rev

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

Why do you THINK HE WILL IMPROVE IN THOSE AREAS?

You and butterscotch's argument is uniquely absurd.

I've posted it multiple times. Are you really THIS stupid?

Here it is again:

Originally Posted by TheReverend

I cover most of it ITT:

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread....52#post3480552

But let's go over the cliffs of it:

1. He's NEVER had a full off-season

2. Now he'll not only have that full off-season, but he'll be getting the first team reps

3. His closest physical parallel and former HoF'er: Elway himself has pledged to be working with him (for details there are several articles. More importantly ones where Elway debunks your throwing motion criticism and says they'll be working on footwork to develop the consistency he needs)

4. He'll finally have a real system. Not to criticize what they developed for him on the fly... but it was on the fly. Now they'll have a foundation to build off of and the mental game can be formed instead of a primary focus on athletic reaction.

5. One of, if not THE, best work ethics in the business.

6. It's already shown MASSIVE improvement. Reference an ESPN special in December where they highlighted his footwork improvements. Reference every quote from Elway to Mariucci to Brady and Belichick and the Pat's QB coach, etc

So in summary:

He's already shown huge improvement. Now we get the opportunity to develop and see a lot more of it.

See how that works? A well thought out and reasoned answer to your question! You guys should try it sometime!

Do the same courtesy I gave you (clearly more than you deserve) and respond to it.

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by Butterscotch Stallion

is anyone seeing this? Am I real. pinch me.

I don't want speculation.

I want to KNOW that he will improve. And I want you to tell me exactly how he WILL improve. I want complete assurance. Not opinion, I want facts that will show me that he WILL become elite.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

He didn't answer my question. I want to know why he WILL improve. Not speculation.

I hope he has the desire to improve , But I dont have any solid proof that he will

[Butterscotch Stallion]

Originally Posted by Spider

The hell he didnt .......he owned the rev

where? he flipped the question as a diversion. how did you fall for that? how old are you?

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by Spider

I hope he has the desire to improve , But I dont have any solid proof that he will

I'm exactly the same.

They can't prove it, either.

Its an absurd argument. They want him to succeed, so they can't fathom how he could possibly fail.

It's an illogical argument.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Devil's Advocate says...

1. Neither did Cam Newton or any other rookie QB.

And Tim compares more than favorably to ALL of them.

Originally Posted by TonyR

2. Fair. But he's been working on his throwing mechanics since before the NFL draft. It's fair to be concerned that he's just not going to suddenly get it.

Emphasis was on throwing motion pre-draft to be unveiled at his pro-day. Regardless, watch some UF games and contrast them to the Raiders game and then again to the Pitt playoff game. You'll easily see dramatic AND STEADY improvement.

Originally Posted by TonyR

3. Sounds good. But do we know that Elway is a natural teacher or a coach? Tebow's had some pretty good football people work with him over the last few years, right?

Fortunately he doesn't have to be and we have actual coaches on staff...

Originally Posted by TonyR

4. Probably the strongest of your points. The trick will be his abilities getting to the point where they can work in the system.

You have to show where they haven't... he's done everything. Hell someone earlier claimed he can't throw quick over the middle to which I replied with a vid of his quick post to Demaryius to win OT vs the Steelers.

Originally Posted by TonyR

5. I'm sure he has a great work ethic. So does most every top tier player in the NFL. You don't succeed at this level without working your ass off.

And among these people, Tebow's work ethic stands head and shoulders above.

Originally Posted by TonyR

6. He's improved. But there was also a video out (which I can't seem to find now) that showed how during games he was reverting back to his bad habits. And for every guy making positive comments there's a guy making not as positive comments. You really can't believe what you hear from either side.

Link to vid?

Originally Posted by TonyR

So we're right back where we started. You're optimistic. I'm have a little more doubt.

Was that so ****ing hard to do? Seriously, was it? I actually applaud you for finally stepping up to the plate, vehemently as I disagree at least you had the balls to state your case.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Butterscotch Stallion

where? he flipped the question as a diversion. how did you fall for that? how old are you?

LMAO maybe you need to read a tad bit slower , He flat out answered the revs questions , foot work , throwing motion , and the rev responded with well he will have a full season and a better plan on offense , That doesnt have shiat to do with Tebows Mechanics , What he is asking you 2 geniuses is , What steps are being taken to improve Tebows Mechanics ........

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Butterscotch Stallion

where? he flipped the question as a diversion. how did you fall for that? how old are you?

Spider's retarded. Just leave him to his own devices.

[TonyR]

After 20 minutes of an in-depth and fascinating discussion about the Xs and Os of the Denver Broncos’ offense and Tim Tebow, ESPN analyst and former NFL quarterback Trent Dilfer comes to the conclusion that so many people in the media are having a hard time embracing.

“As analysts, we should all be ripped for how we talk about this guy,” said Dilfer, who spent this week working on an intriguing segment on Tebow with fellow analyst/quarterback Steve Young for the network’s “NFL Countdown” show. “One week he’s great, the next week he’s terrible. The next week he’s great again, then he’s awful. There’s no consistency with how we look at him because it’s so hard to explain, and it goes against everything we’re trained to understand about football.”

Of course, much of that is reflective of how Tebow has actually played. From his first game starting this season at Miami, there are times when Tebow looks awful. Then, he wipes the slate clean with five minutes of brilliance. Last Sunday, Tebow played a brilliant game against Pittsburgh on the heels of atrocious outings against Buffalo and Kansas City.

The result is that if you listen to enough analysts (and writers such as yours truly), it’s sometimes hard to get a feel for where the discussion is going. Can Tebow play long-term? Is he good enough to win now? As Denver gets ready to play Saturday night at New England in the second round of the AFC playoffs, the answers to questions like that are all over the place...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...atriots_011212

Read this and maybe you'll start to gain a little more perspective on why there are differing opinions on Tebow. Not everybody is going to agree with you. Get over it.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Spider's retarded. Just leave him to his own devices.

this coming from the same guy that is getting owned over and over , and if Butterscotch was intellectually honest , he would say the same thing

[Butterscotch Stallion]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

I'm exactly the same.

They can't prove it, either.

Its an absurd argument. They want him to succeed, so they can't fathom how he could possibly fail.

It's an illogical argument.

what the **** is going on?

you claimed he wont improve and were asked why. you said because I feel that way...we said we thought he would improve and then ACTUALLY GAVE REASONS YOU HALFWIT!!
this isnt a debate about whether he will improve because no one knows.

its a discussion amongst adults where you are aupposed to support your claim.

didnt anyone learn debate? jesus ****ing christ. you guys are getting killed and you dont even know it. if this were moderatef I would be teabagging you right now.