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Dedhed · 02-02-2012, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

Dear god you're stupid. Where do you come up with this crap? I never even remotely suggested any such thing. Do I think Newton is "better"? Yes, I do. But to I get there using the ridiculous trail of "logic" you used above? Um, no. But I don't expect much understanding of this from a guy who's laughably stupid enough to think that half the GM's in the league would take Tebow over Newton as you've suggested. What a dope.

What's stupid is that you can't even understand the logic of your own argument.

Sagarin says Carolina is the better team.
Sagarin also says that Denver played better opponents.

Correct?

BTW: Prove that all GMs would take Newton. Derp. You asked a retarded question, and I gave you an answer to highlight how stupid it was.

BroncoBeavis · 02-02-2012, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dedhed

What's stupid is that you can't even understand the logic of your own argument.

Sagarin says Carolina is the better team.
Sagarin also says that Denver played better opponents.

You weren't supposed to look at that part.

go_broncos · 02-02-2012, 08:26 AM

So much hatred for Tebow after he took a ****ty team to playoffs.

Wonder..Why Mr.Elway or some folks didn't blast Orton when we were 1-4..
Because he is good from the pocket..hmmmm

TonyR · 02-02-2012, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Tony, one question. Would Kyle Orton have taken this team to the playoffs after starting 1-4?

What the hell does Orton have to do with this discussion? And no, I don't think he would have.

BroncoBeavis · 02-02-2012, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

What the hell does Orton have to do with this discussion? And no, I don't think he would have.

K, so we brought in a young QB cold off the bench a third of the way into the season and he led a 1-4 team to the playoffs.

Why are you so unhappy? We dutifully watched KO **** the bed for 2 years. I've already seen more electrifying **** in Tebow's 16 games than Kyle's had his whole career. Why pull the plug? And for who?

TonyR · 02-02-2012, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dedhed

What's stupid is that you can't even understand the logic of your own argument.

Sagarin says Carolina is the better team.
Sagarin also says that Denver played better opponents.

Correct?

Sigh. The Sagarin model rates Carolina slightly higher overall. The Sagarin model rates Denver's schedule as more difficult. What's so difficult to understand here? Like I already pointed out, SOS and W/L are not the only factors in the model.

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Originally Posted by Dedhed

BTW: Prove that all GMs would take Newton. Derp. You asked a retarded question, and I gave you an answer to highlight how stupid it was.

I can't prove it. But it's common sense to suggest that most NFL FO's would take Newton over Tebow. Newton was the #1 overall pick in the draft and he outperformed expectations. In his first pro game he went 24/37 422.

Ded, you can like Tebow better. That's fine. But most NFL FO's are smart enough to see that Newton is the better bet right now. It's really not even debatable.

TonyR · 02-02-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Why are you so unhappy?

Who's unhappy?

jhns · 02-02-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

K, so we brought in a young QB cold off the bench a third of the way into the season and he led a 1-4 team to the playoffs.

Why are you so unhappy? We watched KO **** the bed for 2 years. I've already seen more electrifying **** in Tebow's 16 games than Kyle's had his whole career. Why pull the plug? And for who?

Tony also used to defend Orton. Now he hates Tebow. He also likes 6-10 Newton better, because he likes winners...

TonyR · 02-02-2012, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jhns

What does Manning, or any QB, have to do with what I said?

You really can't figure this out on your own? And I'm the one who's too stupid?

BroncoBeavis · 02-02-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

Who's unhappy?

The guy who wanted to finish out year 3 of the Kyle Orton experiment.

jhns · 02-02-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

Sigh. The Sagarin model rates Carolina slightly higher overall. The Sagarin model rates Denver's schedule as more difficult. What's so difficult to understand here? Like I already pointed out, SOS and W/L are not the only factors in the model.

I can't prove it. But it's common sense to suggest that most NFL FO's would take Newton over Tebow. Newton was the #1 overall pick in the draft and he outperformed expectations. In his first pro game he went 24/37 422.

Ded, you can like Tebow better. That's fine. But most NFL FO's are smart enough to see that Newton is the better bet right now. It's really not even debatable.

@ this guy thinking he knows what NFL front offices are thinking. I bet they would all take Newton over sixth round pick Tom Brady as well. He was drafted higher!

More wins + harder schedule = worse team. You are an idiot.

jhns · 02-02-2012, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

You really can't figure this out on your own? And I'm the one who's too stupid?

Nope. Explain it to me.

Dedhed · 02-02-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

Sigh. The Sagarin model rates Carolina slightly higher overall. The Sagarin model rates Denver's schedule as more difficult. What's so difficult to understand here?

There's nothing difficult to understand other than the fact that you can't see what it says. Let's say you have a ford escort and a Porsche and you want to race them. Let's say the Escort wins. What would be the explanation?

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I can't prove it. But it's common sense to suggest that most NFL FO's would take Newton over Tebow. Newton was the #1 overall pick in the draft and he outperformed expectations. In his first pro game he went 24/37 422.

Ded, you can like Tebow better. That's fine. But most NFL FO's are smart enough to see that Newton is the better bet right now. It's really not even debatable.

See, to me, it's common sense that people would like to win more games. Clearly that's not what we're dealing with.

KO5K · 02-02-2012, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

Sagarin has Denver's SOS as 10th and Carolina's as 28th, so you're right about that. But unfortunately your argument loses a little steam when you notice that Sagarin has Carolina ranked higher than Denver...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nfl11.htm

Wow.

You...

You're an idiot.

Carolina being ranked higher than Denver only reinforces my argument.

Dedhed · 02-02-2012, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KO5K

Wow.

You...

You're an idiot.

Carolina being ranked higher than Denver only reinforces my argument.

Yeah. He just doesn't understand the logic of his own stats.

BroncoBeavis · 02-02-2012, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KO5K

Wow.

You...

You're an idiot.

Carolina being ranked higher than Denver only reinforces my argument.

No. Cam winning less with a better team proves he's the better QB. Because he throws a lot. When I watch his highlights on ESPN I also see lots of Spiros.

TheReverend · 02-02-2012, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

You really can't figure this out on your own? And I'm the one who's too stupid?

To be fair there's lots of things you can't figure out on your own.

Like apparently to stop looking at "sagarin's models" afters of getting kicked around and laughed at for linking them as gospel.

MortonToMoses · 02-02-2012, 09:39 AM

You knuckleheads do realize that the Sagarin model doesn't separate out the Orton games from the Tebow games, right? If you compared the two teams after Week 5, I'm guessing that Denver ranks higher than Carolina and their SOS drops below 10th since Cincinnati, Tennessee, and Green Bay get tossed out.

TonyR · 02-02-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dedhed

See, to me, it's common sense that people would like to win more games. Clearly that's not what we're dealing with.

Once again, you can't judge a QB just by W/L. Thus my Peyton Manning example earlier. Go check out his rookie year W/L.

Butterscotch Stallion · 02-02-2012, 09:40 AM

Tony Rtard at it again.

KO5K · 02-02-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MortonToMoses

You knuckleheads do realize that the Sagarin model doesn't separate out the Orton games from the Tebow games, right? If you compared the two teams after Week 5, I'm guessing that Denver ranks higher than Carolina and their SOS drops below 10th since Cincinnati, Tennessee, and Green Bay get tossed out.

It wasn't just about the strength of schedule though.

TonyR · 02-02-2012, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

To be fair there's lots of things you can't figure out on your own.

Like apparently to stop looking at "sagarin's models" afters of getting kicked around and laughed at for linking them as gospel.

Show me where I called Sagarin gospel. All I did was use it to help support somebody's comment that Denver had a better SOS, but that this doesn't by itself somehow make Denver the better team according to the model. What I did do is say that Sagarin is unbiased and includes multiple factors, unlike some people here who are saying Tebow is better than Newton just because the Broncos won more games than the Panthers.

You guys are over reacting. This isn't a criticism of Tebow. It's praise for Newton. The fact that I have 5 of the usual suspects attacking me for making the statement that Newton > Tebow is very telling. What's funny is that outside of Broncos fans and Tebow fans my opinion would easily be the majority opinion, and by a wide margin.

jhns · 02-02-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jhns

Harder schedule + more wins = worse team. You argue this as you call others stupid...

You are too stupid for message boards.

This is what your Manning response was to Tonyr. I say team, you say QB. You then cry that I put the w/l record on the QB. You are an idiot.

So, again, why don't you explain what Manning has to do with what I said?

TheReverend · 02-02-2012, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

Once again, you can't judge a QB just by W/L. Thus my Peyton Manning example earlier. Go check out his rookie year W/L.

Just for funsies what CAN you judge a QB by?

TheReverend · 02-02-2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KO5K

It wasn't just about the strength of schedule though.

Btw, finally really READ your username and ****in

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MortonToMoses Solid Starter New to the Forum Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 135 Adopt-a-Bronco: Colquitt	You knuckleheads do realize that the Sagarin model doesn't separate out the Orton games from the Tebow games, right? If you compared the two teams after Week 5, I'm guessing that Denver ranks higher than Carolina and their SOS drops below 10th since Cincinnati, Tennessee, and Green Bay get tossed out.

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Butterscotch Stallion Perennial Pro-bowler Lab Rat Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 823 Adopt-a-Bronco: Steve Atwater	Tony Rtard at it again.