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[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

So the Panthers won enough games to win the AFC West? Derp.

The AFC West is better then the NFC South? DERP is ****ing right. Your reddit comments are really hurting me jack ass.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...th-of-schedule

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

Nobody credible reported there was any chance he'd be benched that week, though there was talk he might be yanked mid-game if he played poorly. jhns, if you want to marginalize/belittle somebody you disagree with, and you have a round or two in your belt, don't overplay it. Nobody with credibility reported he would be not start against the Steelers.




You do realize forums are not the the only place where Tebow and the Broncos are discussed, don't you? Besides, I'd never go to another forum. But arrrggghhh, why are we even talking about all this?!? You Tebow people, just face facts:

1: Tebow's quarterbacking skills are sub-par by NFL standards
2: Tebow's intangibles are through the roof
3: It remains to be seen whether:
. . . a) he can develop into an adequate passer, or in the alternative,
. . . b) whether this unique offense we're running can be effective over the long haul.

There, that wasn't so hard (oh and 4: Don't compare Tebow to Newton, it makes you look silly).



How DARE you accuse me! As any law-abiding patriot knows, the Freedom to Travel to Cuba Act is stalled in congressional committee. Until it moves through BOTH houses, and is signed into law by PRESIDENT Barack Obama, all of Cuba (save Guantanemo Naval Base) is off limits to any and every self-respecting, law-abiding, flag-waving American. Of which I am one!

You've got some nerve.

Really, you don't remember all those media reports about Quinn getting half the reps in practice before the Steelers game? Was complete BS. But that never stopped the media when it comes to Tebow.

[KO5K]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

The AFC West is better then the NFC South? DERP is ****ing right. Your reddit comments are really hurting me jack ass.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...th-of-schedule

That doesn't prove jack ****, that's based on 2010 games, before the season started.

Here's the strength of schedule stats for this year, after the season ended:

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012/...-giants-eagles

And hey look! Broncos with the #2 hardest schedule and there's the Panthers all the way down at #10.

GTFO, you ****ing moron.

[bendog]

you guys really believe this **** don't you. Astounding.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by bendog

you guys really believe this **** don't you. Astounding.

Not everyone can be as dumb as you. Most of us took advantage of the education this great country provides

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Really, you don't remember all those media reports about Quinn getting half the reps in practice before the Steelers game? Was complete BS. But that never stopped the media when it comes to Tebow.

How about that, the Quinn talk was all a smokescreen? Interesting.

But to be clear, I wasn't talking about whether it was acknowledged he played poorly, nor was I talking about prepping Quinn, or even that Tebow might be benched. What I was talking about was fan sentiment toward the guy and how it contrasted with the attitude toward Cutler.

Can you imagine how Cutler would have been savaged had he played that badly, if there was talk of benching him? I can't even imagine ... pitchforks and torches, storm the ramparts, wailing and howling "Bust! We wasted a first-round pick!" But with this guy there seems no anger, no frustration or animus. None toward him anyway.

[bendog]

Originally Posted by jhns

Not everyone can be as dumb as you. Most of us took advantage of the education this great country provides

absolutely, jizz, the AFC west would just trounce the NFC south. It's elmentary. ****head

[KO5K]

Originally Posted by bendog

absolutely, jizz, the AFC west would just trounce the NFC south. It's elmentary. ****head

Each team plays ten games outside of their division.

The Broncos had the #2 hardest schedule according to opponent win-loss %.

The Panthers had the #10 hardest.

What's so hard to understand?

[jhns]

Originally Posted by bendog

absolutely, jizz, the AFC west would just trounce the NFC south. It's elmentary. ****head

What does this have to do with your lack of education?

[jhns]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

How about that, the Quinn talk was all a smokescreen? Interesting.

But to be clear, I wasn't talking about whether it was acknowledged he played poorly, nor was I talking about prepping Quinn, or even that Tebow might be benched. What I was talking about was fan sentiment toward the guy and how it contrasted with the attitude toward Cutler.

Can you imagine how Cutler would have been savaged had he played that badly, if there was talk of benching him? I can't even imagine ... pitchforks and torches, storm the ramparts, wailing and howling "Bust! We wasted a first-round pick!" But with this guy there seems no anger, no frustration or animus. None toward him anyway.

Umm, he is getting that reaction still. Are you not reading the threads? Again, who are you talking about? Your little office? You just described the exact reaction that the forums and media had.

I can give a lot of examples of the following:

Originally Posted by TonyR

I hate losing which is why I'm done with the Tebow experiment. He failed miserably the last two weeks. He came up really small on Sunday and got outplayed by Kyle Orton. Winning 7 of 8 got a lot of people thinking that Tebow played well but the reality is he never really played all that well other than some bursts here and there. That's not going to get it done in the NFL. You need your QB to be consistently good. I don't see any evidence that Tebow can be that guy. I was rooting for the kid too but reality has set in. You keep clinging to the mirage.

This was after we knew he had just taken the 1-4 team to a division win.

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by KO5K

That doesn't prove jack ****, that's based on 2010 games, before the season started.

Here's the strength of schedule stats for this year, after the season ended:

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012/...-giants-eagles

And hey look! Broncos with the #2 hardest schedule and there's the Panthers all the way down at #10.

GTFO, you ****ing moron.

Strength of schedule is not the point. It's strength of divisional opponents that I cited. Doesn't matter if they played contenders or patsies, they weren't gonna keep up with Brees and the Saints.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

Strength of schedule is not the point. It's strength of divisional opponents that I cited. Doesn't matter if they played contenders or patsies, they weren't gonna keep up with Brees and the Saints.

Really, a 7-4 QB winning more with a tougher schedule than a 6-10 QB doesn't matter?

[BroncoBuff]

Okay, yeah ... in that sense I suppose you have a point.

Tebow was better in that WE won more, but in any other way? Umm, errr ......

[jhns]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

Okay, yeah ... in that sense I suppose you have a point.

Tebow was better in that WE won more, but in any other way? Umm, errr ......

Do you think Newton wins this division, on this team?

[BroncoBuff]

Now that's a good question. I'm thinking yes, definitely yes if he starts the year. If he comes in for Orton like Tebow did, honestly I'd say no, he would not.

[jhns]

Well, it isn't worth arguing this point much, as neither side can prove anything. I would say there is no way this team wins with the way Newton played. Maybe if he was forced to be conservative like Tebow. This defense is still pretty bad. It can't handle the offense turning it over and throwing it all the time. This defense needed the run game we had. You can see what turnovers did to this team early and late. Newton turned it over far too much and didn't score enough for as much as he threw it. We also don't have the recievers they have. That all said, no one knows what he would look like in a conservative offense.

Tebow ran a game plan meant for winning with an inexperienced QB. Newton ran a game plan geared towards long term developement.

[Jetmeck]

Can we all face the facts NEWTON was overhyped. Throwing for a lot of yards and picks and very few wins !

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by KO5K

Each team plays ten games outside of their division.

The Broncos had the #2 hardest schedule according to opponent win-loss %.

The Panthers had the #10 hardest.

What's so hard to understand?

Sagarin has Denver's SOS as 10th and Carolina's as 28th, so you're right about that. But unfortunately your argument loses a little steam when you notice that Sagarin has Carolina ranked higher than Denver...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nfl11.htm

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by jhns

I can give a lot of examples of the following:

Curious to see if you can form a coherent argument against any of my points in that post...

[jhns]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Curious to see if you can form a coherent argument against any of my points in that post...

"I hate losing which is why I'm done with the Tebow experiment."

Tim Tebow is a winning QB. Are you being serious right now?

[jhns]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Sagarin has Denver's SOS as 10th and Carolina's as 28th, so you're right about that. But unfortunately your argument loses a little steam when you notice that Sagarin has Carolina ranked higher than Denver...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nfl11.htm

So they basically say they are wrong? Nice find...

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

The AFC West is better then the NFC South? DERP is ****ing right. Your reddit comments are really hurting me jack ass.

Didn't read the link, but let me guess you posted something about the NFC being tougher, but failed to notice that the Broncos won more games and had a more difficult schedule than Carolina. Derp.

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

Okay, yeah ... in that sense I suppose you have a point.

Tebow was better in that WE won more, but in any other way? Umm, errr ......

And what other way matters more than winning. Seriously you people are off the wall with this image of a QB crap.

[Missouribronc]

Ugh.

Newton is the better passer. Passers win long term.

This year was fun. It probably won't happen again unless the passing improves significantly.

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Sagarin has Denver's SOS as 10th and Carolina's as 28th, so you're right about that. But unfortunately your argument loses a little steam when you notice that Sagarin has Carolina ranked higher than Denver...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nfl11.htm

So you're saying that because Tebow won more games with a worse team against better opponents, Cam is better. That is brilliant. No really, you are a genius.