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[BroncoBeavis]

Love these arguments. Harvin was a runningback because he had some rushing yards (guess Royal and Decker are RBs now). But Hernandez wasn't a receiver because he was a tight end, even though he's lined up wide at times. Or wait, he's a runningback because the Pats had him in the backfield.

What's the point again?

[StugotsIII]

Originally Posted by Jay3

I wondered why you kept posting as if Harvin was a running back. You thought he was a running back.

Harvin was a receiver for the Gators. And he was drafted high.

He wasn't a running back in college…

He wasn't a wide receiver in college…

He was a Harvin in college…

Anytime someone rushes the ball nearly 200 times in their college career and averages nearly 10 yards a carry….I'd say that classifies them as a running back.

He was definitely a hybrid...

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by StugotsIII

He wasn't a running back in college…

He wasn't a wide receiver in college…

He was a Harvin in college…

Anytime someone rushes the ball nearly 200 times in their college career and averages nearly 10 yards a carry….I'd say that classifies them as a running back.

He was definitely a hybrid...

What is your point again? That Tebow broke SEC PASSING RECORDS throwing to a bunch of scrubs?

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Love these arguments. Harvin was a runningback because he had some rushing yards (guess Royal and Decker are RBs now). But Hernandez wasn't a receiver because he was a tight end, even though he's lined up wide at times. Or wait, he's a runningback because the Pats had him in the backfield.

What's the point again?

No one said he is just a RB but 50 plus carries for a WR is more then most teams number three RBs. Can you name another WR with 50 plus carries in a season?

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

No one said he is just a RB but 50 plus carries for a WR is more then most teams number three RBs. Can you name another WR with 50 plus carries in a season?

Why would I bother? What difference does it make? I'm missing a point here somewhere I guess.

[Boltjolt]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

No one said he is just a RB but 50 plus carries for a WR is more then most teams number three RBs. Can you name another WR with 50 plus carries in a season?

Harvin had 83 carries one season in college in 12 games. Darren Sproles had 87 carries this year in the NFL in 16 games.

If Harvin didnt have migrane issues the guy would be a big impact player with bigger stats. He had 52 carries this year as well.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by Boltjolt

Harvin had 83 carries one season in college in 12 games. Darren Sproles had 87 carries this year in the NFL in 16 games.

Sproles also had 86 catches this year, and had more receiving yards than rushing. So I guess Sproles is a WR now.

Anyway WTF is the point?

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Sproles also had 86 catches this year, and had more receiving yards than rushing. So I guess Sproles is a WR now.

Anyway WTF is the point?

There isn't one. They're just trying to desperately deflect from their losing "argument"

[Jay3]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Sproles also had 86 catches this year, and had more receiving yards than rushing. So I guess Sproles is a WR now.

Anyway WTF is the point?

I think it started as an attempt to say Tebow was surrounded by very strong rushing backs at Florida, and it was not because of Tebow that Florida had success.

And so I guess one of the examples of that was that Florida had a WR running the ball a lot. Somehow that was supposed to illustrate that Tebow was surrounded by great running backs.

But Harvin was not a "running back" in any conventional sense. He was listed as WR, lined up as a starting WR. They had him run the ball just like Royal sometimes does, and now Aaron Hernandez often does for the Patriots.

But he was never a workhorse, and his high yards per carry shows he was used on a lot of "big play" opportunities and jet sweeps.

I agree he's a special player, and one of the most gifted running back-type receivers. But for the original point? Whiff.

[Jay3]

One time the started running Percy between the tackles like Tebow does, and Harvin came out and said he wasn't going to do it anymore. The pounding is too much, he said.

It gets pretty vicious in there, up the middle.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by Jay3

I think it started as an attempt to say Tebow was surrounded by very strong rushing backs at Florida, and it was not because of Tebow that Florida had success

Ok, so Tebow's success at QB and highest passer rating in SEC history was aided by the fact that his top wideout was really a running back and the rest of his receivers weren't really talented enough for the NFL.

Got it. Moving on.

[TheReverend]

33	Kestahn Moore	RB	5' 10"	212	SR	4L	Arlington, Texas/Mansfield Summit
44	Ean McQuay	RB	5' 8"	168	RFR	SQ	Havana/Florida High
3	Chris Rainey	RB	5' 9"	185	RFR	1L	Lakeland/Lakeland
21	Emmanuel Moody	RB	6' 0"	210	RSO	1L	Coppell, Texas/Southern Cal
20	Christopher Scott	RB	6' 0"	205	RJR	TR	Englewood/Lemon Bay/Santa Fe C.C.
1	Percy Harvin	RB/WR	5' 11"	195	JR	3L	Virginia Beach, Va./Landstown
22	Cade Holliday	S	5' 11"	195	RJR	3L	Gainesville/Green Hope (N.C.)
24	John Curtis	S	6' 2"	215	RSR	1L	Rockledge/Cocoa Beach
10	Will Hill	S	6' 1"	203	FR	1L	West Orange, N.J./St. Peter's Preparatory
35	Ahmad Black	S	5' 9"	190	SO	1L	Lakeland/Lakeland
46	Cody Worton	S	6' 2"	205	RSO	SQ	Homestead, Fla./South Dade
7	Justin Williams	S	6' 1"	205	RSO	2L	Folkston, Ga./Charlton County
31	Bryan Thomas	S	6' 1"	205	RSO	1L	Zephyrhills, Fla./Zephyrhills
21	Major Wright	S	6' 0"	200	SO	2L	Miramar/St. Thomas Aquinas
20	Dorian Munroe	S	5' 11"	205	RJR	2L	Miami/Coral Reef
84	Tate Casey	TE	6' 6"	251	RSR	4L	Longview, Texas/Longview
81	Aaron Hernandez	TE	6' 3"	255	SO	2L	Bristol, Conn./Bristol Central
7	Cornelius Ingram	TE	6' 4"	245	RSR	3L	Hawthorne/Hawthorne
82	Christopher Coleman	TE	6' 3"	245	RSO	SQ	Lake City/Lake City/Santa Fe CC
88	Paul Wilson	WR	6' 0"	190	RFR	SQ	Lakeland/Lakeland
3	Brandon Frazier	WR	6' 3"	200	RSO	SQ	Jacksonville/Samuel W. Wolfson
6	Deonte Thompson	WR	6' 0"	195	RFR	1L	Belle Glade/Glades Central
82	Omarius Hines	WR	6' 1"	205	FR	HS	Corsicana, Texas/Corsicana
9	Louis Murphy	WR	6' 3"	205	SR	4L	St. Petersburg/Lakewood
16	Carl Moore	WR	6' 3"	220	JR	1L	Rancho Cordova, Calif./Cordova (Sierra C.C.)
11	Riley Cooper	WR	6' 3"	215	JR	3L	Clearwater, Fla./Central Catholic
83	David Nelson	WR	6' 5"	215	RJR	2L	Wichita Falls, Texas/Rider
18	T.J. Lawrence	WR	6' 1"	185	FR	HS	Lakeland/Kathleen
85	Frankie Hammond, Jr.	WR	6' 0"	170	FR	HS	Hollywood/Hallandale

Percy, Murphy and Hernandez are the only ones I'm aware of that made the jump to the NFL level (and Andre Caldwell the year prior).

Not too bad, but hardly carrying him.

[Boltjolt]

[QUOTE=BroncoBeavis;3480788]Sproles also had 86 catches this year, and had more receiving yards than rushing. So I guess Sproles is a WR now.

Anyway WTF is the point?[/QUOTE]

Perfect! "Beavis" is lost!!

If you dont know why or what we are talking about, which is the third time you have said that then why are you even replying? Go back and find the point and the statenent that MacGoober made that started this.

[Boltjolt]

Originally Posted by Jay3

I think it started as an attempt to say Tebow was surrounded by very strong rushing backs at Florida, and it was not because of Tebow that Florida had success.

And so I guess one of the examples of that was that Florida had a WR running the ball a lot. Somehow that was supposed to illustrate that Tebow was surrounded by great running backs.

But Harvin was not a "running back" in any conventional sense. He was listed as WR, lined up as a starting WR. They had him run the ball just like Royal sometimes does, and now Aaron Hernandez often does for the Patriots.

But he was never a workhorse, and his high yards per carry shows he was used on a lot of "big play" opportunities and jet sweeps.

I agree he's a special player, and one of the most gifted running back-type receivers. But for the original point? Whiff.

Kinda sorta but not really. It was stated that Harvin played a lot of RB and MacGoober said he never was a RB so a video was posted plus some stats showing he played a lot of RB and now a roster saying he was a RB/WR.

Ill give you everytime that Tebow was an outstanding college QB and he was accurate there. But this isnt college anymore and the players are much beter and now he isnt accurate trying to play a more conventional type of offense. Sure they can keep using him as they are which is a lot like college but he isnt going to last very long being used that way and only being a 46% passer isnt going to cut it either.

As a Charger fan i hope they start him next year.

[bendog]

wow, this thread's like being drunk. And not in the good way.

[oubronco]

[BroncoBuff]

At the very least , we should all be able to agree that, regardless of their relative value as college QBs, Cam Newton was ranked far higher than Tim Tebow on draft boards and unanimously believed the better pro prospect.

That's reality.

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

At the very least , we should all be able to agree that, regardless of their relative value as college QBs, Cam Newton was ranked far higher than Tim Tebow on draft boards and unanimously believed the better pro prospect.

That's reality.

You know what else is reality. Newton watched Tebow in the playoffs.

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

At the very least , we should all be able to agree that, regardless of their relative value as college QBs, Cam Newton was ranked far higher than Tim Tebow on draft boards and unanimously believed the better pro prospect.

That's reality.

And performed much better as well, last year...

[underrated29]

All those are true, but cam was also more polished as well. That is why I never understand people arguments here.


Cam was better, was ranked higher, etc etc etc. Yeah, so what. He was polished and expected to do that. That is why he was an unquestioned top 10 pick...


Tebow- NO ONE- repeat NO ONE on EARTH thought tebow was polished and ready to be a top 10 pick. NO ONE expected tebow to come in right away and be good. TIM TEBOW IS THE BIGGEST PROJECT PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL!

Yet for some reason, people seem to forget that, I do not know why, and just move straight on to the Cam was ranked higher, and played better.




Well, DUH!



Its like saying my F14 Tomcat is going to out fly and maneuver your prototype plane. Of course it is. One is ready for action right away, there was never questions about it. The other not so much, but nonetheless was thrown into action anyway. It is such a dumb and silly argument.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by Boltjolt

Kinda sorta but not really. It was stated that Harvin played a lot of RB and MacGoober said he never was a RB so a video was posted plus some stats showing he played a lot of RB and now a roster saying he was a RB/WR.

Ill give you everytime that Tebow was an outstanding college QB and he was accurate there. But this isnt college anymore and the players are much beter and now he isnt accurate trying to play a more conventional type of offense. Sure they can keep using him as they are which is a lot like college but he isnt going to last very long being used that way and only being a 46% passer isnt going to cut it either.

As a Charger fan i hope they start him next year.

Only a Powder Blue fan could look at this offense and use the word 'conventional'

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

You know what else is reality. Newton watched Tebow in the playoffs.

Some teams have to play in a division that takes more then 8 games to win it. The team played great and much better under Tebow but lets not act like this team is a world beater or Tebow is right now.

[Jay3]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Some teams have to play in a division that takes more then 8 games to win it. The team played great and much better under Tebow but lets not act like this team is a world beater or Tebow is right now.

There ain't no division you can win with 6 wins, though.

Cam played on a bad team, but he himself showed an amazing ability to not win games. There were many times where I thought for sure they'd win, and he would disappear and finish out with a whimper.

He'll get better. But that's on him. Stats aren't everything.

[Jay3]

Originally Posted by Boltjolt

Kinda sorta but not really. It was stated that Harvin played a lot of RB and MacGoober said he never was a RB so a video was posted plus some stats showing he played a lot of RB and now a roster saying he was a RB/WR.

Yeah, really. Go back and look at why Harvin was being discussed in a Cam Newton thread to begin with. In an effort to detract from Tebow, it was stated he was surrounded by great running backs in college.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

At the very least , we should all be able to agree that, regardless of their relative value as college QBs, Cam Newton was ranked far higher than Tim Tebow on draft boards and unanimously believed the better pro prospect.

That's reality.

Who cares what people though as they were coming out of college? Brady went in the 6th...

Tebow took the second worst team in the league to a playoff win. He did this after being spotted a 1-4 record. Cam started from day one and lost a ton with the worst team in the league. Tebow easily outperformed Newton. Both have a lot of growing to do though. It really isn't about right now. What really matters is what each develops into after a few years of experience.