CAM NEWTON

[Boltjolt]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

Wow. It's just unbelievable the excuses people make for this guy.

He's genuinely a good guy, and I hate saying negative things about him, but it's just so ridiculous...

Agree. I like the kid and love what he stands for. Im not a hater of Tebow at all. Doesnt help that he is a Bronco but im not like most fans and yes i even mean fans in here who hate Rivers because he is good, refuse to believe he is a good guy and he is a Charger but Tebow is a good kid, a good human being and many great college QB's dont succeed in the NFL. Florida has had their share of good QB's that havent succeeded...like Danny Weurful, Chris Leak, Grossman...though Grossman is still around.

I remember Ken Dorsey of Miami(FL) never lost a game from high school on up thru college and was a 7th round pick and didnt do anything in the NFL.

Tebow for all his ability as a runner and he actually was a good passer in college but its a different game in the NFL and he isnt a very good passer in it. No doubt i think he will improve because he has been for the most part, pretty bad but the way he plays and the way they use him, he may not make it long. He'll be too beat up.

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by MacGruder

Wow.. you really are that stupid that I have to explain it to you.. it was a typo...

Doubtful.

[StugotsIII]

Originally Posted by MacGruder

Yes.. because he played with Tebow who could run between the tackles as a QB you jackwagon.. same reason McGahee looked so great this year next to him.



How did Florida's runners fare against Alabama?

Where did those guys go in the draft compared to Florida's receivers..



Both Rainey and Demps were under sized SEC runners one of them was not taken by FSU and was bitter about it...

And yet you claim Florida is supposed to be a run first team.. yet they don't have SEC caliber between the tackles runners?

Harvin went in the first round….I can't think of any Florida WR's that faired any better. Demps and Rainey are still playing as are most of those players…

It is a fact that Florida was a run first team…they ran anywhere from 58-62% of the time…even more depending on the year.

[StugotsIII]

Originally Posted by MacGruder

So all the talent only happened to be at Florida when Tebow was there?

Makes sense...

And Cam only looked better running the football because he had runners taking the pressure off him running the ball. When teams focused on stopping Cam the other runners beat them even worse.. complete opposite with Tebow. Teams would take him out of the game and the other runners around Tebow would not punish them.

This is why Tebow has been a better runner in the NFL than cam even with a worse offense around him.

Newton broke the all time NFL single season rushing TD record….how is Tebow the better runner?

[Boltjolt]

Originally Posted by MacGruder

What on Earth makes you think cam is stronger than Tebow? Tebow weighs as much as Cam on a 3 inch shorter frame... I have heard countless tales about how strong Tebow is but nothing about Cam...

If Cam was anywhere near as good as Tebow as an athlete surely we would have seen Cam on the field when he was at Florida like Tebow was used to win their first championship.. but nope... he was in junior college instead...

Wow, your an embarrassment...lol. BTW, Cam weighs about 12-15 more LBS than Tebow. Cam is 248-250. Dont know if he is stronger as far a lifting weights but who cares. He does however have a much stronger throwing arm.

[MacGruder]

Originally Posted by StugotsIII

Harvin went in the first round….I can't think of any Florida WR's that faired any better. Demps and Rainey are still playing as are most of those players…

It is a fact that Florida was a run first team…they ran anywhere from 58-62% of the time…even more depending on the year.

But Harvin wasn't used as a runner you jackwagon.. he isn't in the NFL either..

Harvin IS a receiver! He was drafted as a receiver.. not a runningback.. WOW

So the run first teams "best runner" was drafted as a receiver..

WOW

[MacGruder]

Originally Posted by Boltjolt

Wow, your an embarrassment...lol. BTW, Cam weighs about 12-15 more LBS than Tebow. Cam is 248-250. Dont know if he is stronger as far a lifting weights but who cares. He does however have a much stronger throwing arm.

Tebow weighed 245 lbs last season.. don't know what he weighs this season..

Cam's height is also a liability as a runner.. how many 6'6 runningbacks do you see?

Tebow is the prototypical size of a NFL runningback...

[StugotsIII]

During Tebow's starting years, Florida was at worst 23rd and at best 10th in rushing…


During the same time, Florida was 38th, 61st and 41st in passing…


How was Florida a pass first offense again?

[StugotsIII]

Originally Posted by MacGruder

Tebow weighed 245 lbs last season.. don't know what he weighs this season..

Cam's height is also a liability as a runner.. how many 6'6 runningbacks do you see?

Tebow is the prototypical size of a NFL runningback...

Too bad both players are quarterbacks….

[MacGruder]

Originally Posted by StugotsIII

Newton broke the all time NFL single season rushing TD record….how is Tebow the better runner?

TD record is based on your offensive output as a team.. as I said Cam had a better offense around him.. better offensive players and played a wide open offensive style allowing for more TDs. Tebow almost had as many rushing yards as Cam in 5 fewer games.. that's ownage.


Cam also had a weaker defenses that forced his offense to score more which allows more TD opportunities... Look at great offensive production and those guys get it by having defenses that allow the opposing team to score alot.. Brady, Brees and Aaron Rdogers this season..

Same thing with Cam's Auburn team...

[StugotsIII]

Originally Posted by MacGruder

But Harvin wasn't used as a runner you jackwagon.. he isn't in the NFL either..

Harvin IS a receiver! He was drafted as a receiver.. not a runningback.. WOW

So the run first teams "best runner" was drafted as a receiver..

WOW

What is your point?


He played running back in college.


You didn't answer my question….what Florida WR was drafted high?

[MacGruder]

Originally Posted by StugotsIII

Too bad both players are quarterbacks….

Not if they are a running Qb.. especially in this era where it is so difficult to protect pocket Qbs...

[TDmvp]

[StugotsIII]

Originally Posted by MacGruder

TD record is based on your offensive output as a team.. as I said Cam had a better offense around him.. better offensive players and played a wide open offensive style allowing for more TDs. Tebow almost had as many rushing yards as Cam in 5 fewer games.. that's ownage.


Cam also had a weaker defenses that forced his offense to score more which allows more TD opportunities... Look at great offensive production and those guys get it by having defenses that allow the opposing team to score alot.. Brady, Brees and Aaron Rdogers this season..

Same thing with Cam's Auburn team...

You didn't answer my question.

[StugotsIII]

Originally Posted by MacGruder

Not if they are a running Qb.. especially in this era where it is so difficult to protect pocket Qbs...

What?

[MacGruder]

Originally Posted by StugotsIII

What is your point?


He played running back in college.


You didn't answer my question….what Florida WR was drafted high?

No he wasn't used as a runningback.. that's the point.. all those "running yards" where off of bubble screens... do you even watch college football? lol

[StugotsIII]

Originally Posted by MacGruder

No he wasn't used as a runningback.. that's the point.. all those "running yards" where off of bubble screens... do you even watch college football? lol

Holy ****ing **** you are THE dumbest human alive...

[MacGruder]

Originally Posted by StugotsIII

During Tebow's starting years, Florida was at worst 23rd and at best 10th in rushing…


During the same time, Florida was 38th, 61st and 41st in passing…


How was Florida a pass first offense again?

How does that sta prove otherwise.. defenses take away your strength and dare you to beat them with your weakness...

You are also comparing Florida to non SEC teams.. those offenses wouldn't fly at all in the SEC> Look at Bradford and McCoy.. they looked like better passers in college playing BIG12 Ds and Tebow outplayed them this year... So did matt Flynn for that matter... and Cam Newton..

[MacGruder]

Originally Posted by StugotsIII

Holy ****ing **** you are THE dumbest human alive...

Yes... the team you claim is run first had their best "runner" drafted as a receiver and I am the idiot.. LMFAO...

This is the same guy who said Florida kicked Cam out.. lol

[Boltjolt]

Originally Posted by StugotsIII

What is your point?


He played running back in college.


You didn't answer my question….what Florida WR was drafted high?

Florida doesnt have a bunch of WR's drafted high and since 2000 only about 10 were drafted at all and only a few are even in the league today. Chad Jackson was a bust, Andre Caldwell is a backup, Riley Cooper was a 5th rounder in 2010 who is a backup, Louis Murphy hasnt fared very well and was a 4th rounder.
Harvin is by far the best of the bunch and he was pretty much a RB at Florida. He did both actually.

Cooper is the only WR drafted from Florida in 2010 and 2011.

[StugotsIII]

Originally Posted by MacGruder

Yes... the team you claim is run first had their best "runner" drafted as a receiver and I am the idiot.. LMFAO...

This is the same guy who said Florida kicked Cam out.. lol

Yes….the spread option is a run first offense.


The run opens up the pass….using playaction off the devastating running game off the zone read option.


And yes….Newton broke the law AND cheated on many tests and was caught. He was about to get expelled…and was already suspended from the team.

[MacGruder]

Originally Posted by Boltjolt

Florida doesnt have a bunch of WR's drafted high and since 2000 only about 10 were drafted at all and only a few are even in the league today. Chad Jackson was a bust, Andre Caldwell is a backup, Riley Cooper was a 5th rounder in 2010 who is a backup, Louis Murphy hasnt fared very well and was a 4th rounder.
Harvin is by far the best of the bunch and he was pretty much a RB at Florida. He did both actually.

Cooper is the only WR drafted from Florida in 2010 and 2011.

What? I thought Florida's great receivers were carrying Tebow?

You guys gotta get your story straight..

[MacGruder]

Originally Posted by StugotsIII

Yes….the spread option is a run first offense.


The run opens up the pass….using playaction off the devastating running game off the zone read option.


And yes….Newton broke the law AND cheated on many tests and was caught. He was about to get expelled…and was already suspended from the team.

Keep deluding yourself dude...

[Boltjolt]

Originally Posted by MacGruder

No he wasn't used as a runningback.. that's the point.. all those "running yards" where off of bubble screens... do you even watch college football? lol

Dude, Percy Harvin had 194 career rushes at Florida for 1,852 yards. He had 133 receptions
I saw plenty of Florida games and he rushed the ball quite a bit.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/...-harvin-1.html

[StugotsIII]

Originally Posted by Boltjolt

Florida doesnt have a bunch of WR's drafted high and since 2000 only about 10 were drafted at all and only a few are even in the league today. Chad Jackson was a bust, Andre Caldwell is a backup, Riley Cooper was a 5th rounder in 2010 who is a backup, Louis Murphy hasnt fared very well and was a 4th rounder.
Harvin is by far the best of the bunch and he was pretty much a RB at Florida. He did both actually.

Cooper is the only WR drafted from Florida in 2010 and 2011.

Right on…

Meyere is at OSU right now recruiting athletes to play the Percy Harvin role.

Harvin played mostly in the slot and motioned into the backfield next to Tebow.

I would argue that Harvin was more valuable on that team than Tebow was…but both gained by the presents of the other. Great combination.