CAM NEWTON

[jhns]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Serious question: how many NFL FO's do you think would take Tebow over Newton if they had the choice?

Only the ones that like winning.

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by Boltjolt

Who cares! Cam is already a much better QB as a rookie starting out of the gate and will be a good NFL QB in time. Tebow cant even get Elways vote of confidence after his 2nd season.




Sure did...Drew Brees twice, Matt Ryan twice, Aaron Rodgers, Cutler, Matt Hasselbeck, Matt Stafford....thats 8 games with some pretty good QB's right there.



Orton was a part of your team this year. Im not buying the inside info excuse. Fan speak for "it wasnt Tebows fault". He was awful in that game and finished the year completing under 50% of his passes.


Newton was outplayed by Tebow? I dont think so. Pretty sure nobody would take Tebow over Newton if givin the choice.



Nobody cares about preseason. Newton was a rookie. He had a damn good rookie season so yea he had a lot of turnovers but that isnt unexpected as a rookie. News flash..they usually struggle.

The rules DO make it easier for QB's these days and Tebow again couldnt complete 50% of his passes in a league that had two QB's break a 25 year old yardage record and a 3rd came close.



Killed? Really? Cam Newton is a pretty good runner himself. He just dont run as much as Tebow because he can actually throw. Newton is 248 lbs...which is more than Tebow weighs. The guy who is going to get killed the way they play is Tebow. He didnt even play in 16 games this year and after the last game, they said he was pretty banged up.

Take off the rose colored glasses!!

Of course all of this assumes that leading a team to wins has nothing to do with being the better player.

[Jay3]

Originally Posted by Boltjolt

Killed? Really? Cam Newton is a pretty good runner himself. He just dont run as much as Tebow because he can actually throw. Newton is 248 lbs...which is more than Tebow weighs. The guy who is going to get killed the way they play is Tebow. He didnt even play in 16 games this year and after the last game, they said he was pretty banged up.

Take off the rose colored glasses!!

Newton runs it about as much as Tebow, in an offense that is not nearly as run-oriented. The Broncos should use Tebow's running ability more like the Panthers use Newton's.

Newton didn't look good yesterday. I don't know why that has to be such a hard truth to swallow. If Tebow threw 9-27 with 3 interceptions in a loss, I would say he did not play well.

And it was against pro bowl defense.

[oubronco]

Wow I ask a simple question to macgruber to see how he would react and look at all the panties that got all twisted up

You guys are so predictable

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by Boltjolt

Id take Cam Newton over Tebow everyday.

That's because you support a franchise that took Rivers over Brees, and have a retarded notion of what a QB should be.

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by oubronco

Wow I ask a simple question to macgruber to see how he would react and look at all the panties that got all twisted up

You guys are so predictable

Here's a simple question; Who has the most playoff wins?

Tebow
Newton
Orton
Cassel
McCoy
Stafford
Dalton
Bradford

[jhns]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

Here's a simple question; Who has the most playoff wins?

Tebow
Newton
Orton
Cassel
McCoy
Stafford
Dalton
Bradford

It is obvious that Tebow has the best team around him. This is proven by the 1-4 start and them being the second worst team in the league last season. QB is the only thing hopding the Broncos back...

[Boltjolt]

Originally Posted by Jay3

Newton runs it about as much as Tebow, in an offense that is not nearly as run-oriented. The Broncos should use Tebow's running ability more like the Panthers use Newton's.

Newton didn't look good yesterday. I don't know why that has to be such a hard truth to swallow. If Tebow threw 9-27 with 3 interceptions in a loss, I would say he did not play well.

And it was against pro bowl defense.

Well lets take a look with the rose colored glasses off

Carolina rushing rank= #3

Broncos rushing rank= #1

Newton rush att in 16 starts =122

Tebow in 11 starts= 128

Carolina defense rank= 28th

Broncos defense rank=20th

Newton pass attempts=517

Tebow pass attempts=271

Newton pass%= 60%

Tebow =46.5%

Newton QB rating = 84.5

Tebow rating= 72.9

Newton Yards passing= 4,051

Tebow= 1,729



Please tell me you wouldnt be excited about Tebow if he had those stats! Hec your excited now and he stinks as a passer.
Denver runs Tebow more than Newton runs and i keep seeing how posters here say your OL is awful yet you were number one in rushing. The only thing holding your team back is Tebow and as a Charger fan, im glad he will be the #1 going into TC.

[Boltjolt]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

Of course all of this assumes that leading a team to wins has nothing to do with being the better player.

Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman disagree who won 1 game each as rookies. Peyton had 28 INTs, Aikman had 18. Ben wasnt that great as a rookie but his team was good. I guess you guys like being blinded by your own players. You were by Cutler too,..who is now a pretty decent QB but still a butthead.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by Boltjolt

Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman disagree who won 1 game each as rookies. Peyton had 28 INTs, Aikman had 18. Ben wasnt that great as a rookie but his team was good. I guess you guys like being blinded by your own players. You were by Cutler too,..who is now a pretty decent QB but still a butthead.

This team was 1-4 without Tebow this year. They were 4-14 over the last two years. Tebow starts, we win the division and a playoff game.

Dolt fan conclusion: Tebow is the only thing holding this team back.

Smart.

[HorseHead]

Newton is "head and shoulders above Tebow"...no he's not..., no knobbin' here. Cam has better touch on intermediate passes, throws a much prettier ball.., but makes some dumb mistakes, as one would expect. Threw a lot of picks this year...

Re the Panthers: changed their logo a bit. Sorry no link, apologies for the stealth hijack.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by jhns

Only the ones that like winning.

I notice you avoided answering the questoin, as did the poster I addressed it to.

[oubronco]

Originally Posted by jhns

This team was 1-4 without Tebow this year. They were 4-14 over the last two years. Tebow starts, we win the division and a playoff game.

Dolt fan conclusion: Tebow is the only thing holding this team back.

Smart.

Or it could've been Orton holding the TEAM back

[BroncoBen]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

Not really impressed.................

This is one game I wouldn't mind seeing being cancelled...

[GreatBronco16]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Serious question: how many NFL FO's do you think would take Tebow over Newton if they had the choice?

Well this is a question that can not really have a correct answer. So I'll say half the teams would take Tebow over Newton.

Now, you go and prove that I'm wrong. I'll wait right here for your proof. But I won't hold my breath.

[zdoor]

Originally Posted by HorseHead

Newton is "head and shoulders above Tebow"...no he's not..., no knobbin' here. Cam has better touch on intermediate passes, throws a much prettier ball.., but makes some dumb mistakes, as one would expect. Threw a lot of picks this year...

Re the Panthers: changed their logo a bit. Sorry no link, apologies for the stealth hijack.

This....

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by GreatBronco16

Well this is a question that can not really have a correct answer. So I'll say half the teams would take Tebow over Newton.

Now, you go and prove that I'm wrong. I'll wait right here for your proof. But I won't hold my breath.

Judging by who was drafted first is proof enough.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by oubronco

Or it could've been Orton holding the TEAM back

Oh great. Now team "Orton gives us the best chance to win" starts telling us Orton was the real reason the whole team struggled for two years.

Make it stop.

[GreatBronco16]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Judging by who was drafted first is proof enough.

Two different drafts and two different circumstances for both QBs. You can't compare it like that when everything else around it is completely different.

Do you think if Newton entered the draft not being the current Heisman winner and BCS champion in the same year Tebow was drafted, that he would have went #1? I think not.

[StugotsIII]

Newton is Tebow...only bigger, stronger, faster and can throw a football.


Newton>Tebow

[GreatBronco16]

Originally Posted by StugotsIII

Newton is Tebow...only bigger, stronger, faster and can throw a football.


Newton>Tebow

No way is Newton stronger than Tebow.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by GreatBronco16

Now, you go and prove that I'm wrong. I'll wait right here for your proof. But I won't hold my breath.

You shouldn't because there's no way to prove it. I was interested to see what people thought. I think you're very wrong, and think it would be near unanimous in favor of Newton. But that's just logic, rationality, and reason speaking.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by GreatBronco16

Two different drafts and two different circumstances for both QBs. You can't compare it like that when everything else around it is completely different.

Do you think if Newton entered the draft not being the current Heisman winner and BCS champion in the same year Tebow was drafted, that he would have went #1? I think not.

So you think not entering the draft after Tebow won the heisman hurt his draft status or winning the championship hurt his draft status.

[StugotsIII]

I think Newton would make the spread option pretty unstoppable in the NFL...


Tebow showed it can work in the NFL, even without being able to throw the ball on a consistent basis.


Newton would bring that aspect to the offense and would make it very difficult to stop.


PS. Anyone judging Newton by a Pro Bowl appearance is silly. I saw him play vs. Bears in person and he torched a really good defense for over 400 yards total offense and 3 TD's...


But hey...he played poorly after a week of practice with a bunch of strangers so he sucks...

[oubronco]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Oh great. Now team "Orton gives us the best chance to win" starts telling us Orton was the real reason the whole team struggled for two years.

Make it stop.

Woah there compadre i was never for Orton ever!!

He sucks and there shouldn't be anyone who says he doesn't