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Old 01-04-2012, 10:04 AM   #151
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The scheme = failure
That's the pt. If a team designs an offense around Tebow can it win in the NFL? Regardless of how much Tebow improves in going through progressions and throwing to guys who are open, is his game really transferrable to the NFL?
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:07 AM   #152
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That's the pt. If a team designs an offense around Tebow can it win in the NFL? Regardless of how much Tebow improves in going through progressions and throwing to guys who are open, is his game really transferrable to the NFL?
Yes he just needs Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Jerry Rice, Shannon Sharpe, Rob Gronkowski, Adrian Petersen, Barry Sanders, and the 1992 Dallas Cowboys O line, and his game would kick ass.

EDIT he would also need Bill Walsh HC and Urban Meyer OC
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:08 AM   #153
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Does hard work triumph over a shortcoming in talent?

I think that's where you have to take a hard look, and answer honestly.

Just because you work hard, doesn't mean you'll have success.

*This post is neither pro/con Tebow.
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:13 AM   #154
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I agree its part of the problem but, not all of it. The other parts are no L. James or Harvin type players that can make big plays in space. I hope after sunday Tebow era is over for good. Its not the right fit for him here never was.

I never see us drafting Harvin or James type players either.

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Old 01-04-2012, 10:17 AM   #155
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Does hard work triumph over a shortcoming in talent?

I think that's where you have to take a hard look, and answer honestly.

Just because you work hard, doesn't mean you'll have success.

*This post is neither pro/con Tebow.

i was always told that success = hard work + opportunity
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:18 AM   #156
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i was always told that success = hard work + opportunity
Is it true/fact in all instances...that's what i'm looking at.
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:37 AM   #157
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:43 AM   #158
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Is it true/fact in all instances...that's what i'm looking at.
Of course it's not true. Some people just suck at math, for example. But Elway said about Tebow's game that he and Fox knew it wouldn't always be pretty. I think what they meant is that if they got a dominating defense and a dominating run game, that required a team play cover one and put 8 in the box, Tebow could burn defenses enough to win a championship.

What I was trying to ask is this. Could a team like the 2000 Buzzards with Dilfers beat the 2006 colts or the 2011 packers? I really don't know.
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:06 AM   #159
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Does hard work triumph over a shortcoming in talent?

I think that's where you have to take a hard look, and answer honestly.

Just because you work hard, doesn't mean you'll have success.

*This post is neither pro/con Tebow.
Yes it does. there is a fascinating book called " talent is overrated" that you should check out. blew my mind. Its why I pulled for Tebow last year.
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Yes it does. there is a fascinating book called " talent is overrated" that you should check out. blew my mind. Its why I pulled for Tebow last year.
I'll check it out - but I just can't buy this concept of "hard work" always "wins". Hard work can beat talent yeah - but it's not always a given. Specifically in athletics. At some point in time, no matter how hard you work - you might find it is still not good enough.
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I'll check it out - but I just can't buy this concept of "hard work" always "wins". Hard work can beat talent yeah - but it's not always a given. Specifically in athletics. At some point in time, no matter how hard you work - you might find it is still not good enough.
Its in the book. But yes, its not just hard work. Its how you work obviously.
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Its in the book. But yes, its not just hard work. Its how you work obviously.
I still disagree in the world of athletics. There's tons of guys who work hard, but don't have the talent to be "elite".

That's like saying Max Talbot could be as good as Evgeni Malkin if he worked harder.
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Welcome back, Bronco LB 59.

How long before this guy gets banned again? I'm guessing this first post will do it.
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Welcome back, Bronco LB 59.

How long before this guy gets banned again? I'm guessing this first post will do it.
Why do you continually prove that you created a new account if you are trying to deny it?
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:43 AM   #166
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Why do you continually prove that you created a new account if you are trying to deny it?
Huh? I've been here over a year and this guy comes back every 2-3 months with a new name. It doesn't take an OMane founder to know this. His posts are always the same. Swearing about KC fans and Zach in particular. It's pretty obvious.

Your obsession with me is still cute, though, so don't worry.
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I still disagree in the world of athletics. There's tons of guys who work hard, but don't have the talent to be "elite".

That's like saying Max Talbot could be as good as Evgeni Malkin if he worked harder.
well, it isn't black and white obviously. I mean a dwarf who works super hard will never be slam dunk champion, so yes, god given abilities is part of the equation. I'm not denying that.

Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf were both physical specimen's. But who worked harder?

WHen the debate was going on about who to draft, I remember watching a special on both QB's. I knew Manning would be the better pick specifically based upon his work ethic and preparation.

Manning is tall, but he is not a great athlete. His physical gifts are his height really. Where he is great is in his accuracy(trained) and his film study. Drew Brees is only 6' and was considered too small to play Qb because he "can't see over the line" but his accuracy(trained) and film study are also very well documented.

There is no perfect formula of course, but hard work is more important than talent in my opinion.

NOw, if you have a gifted athlete who works hard, you have a chance to always improve. This is why I would bet on Tebow and have. To think that Accuracy is somehow bestowed upon you is beyond me. if any of us threw a thousand footballs a day, I am pretty sure we could all throw a football through a tire swing 90% of the time.

There are no extra muscles, or special "brain parts" that I, or any doctor. know of that determines accuracy. There is no "gene" that great QB's are born with.

They do it everyday and work hard. Now, there are certain physical attributes like fast twitch muscles and good eyesight and natural coordination that give some people an edge, but to pretend that they don't need to train is a myth.

The point is that you really need both to be exceptional. Neither is enough in a vacuum.

And back to the point of Tebow, if there are some people that don't think he is athletic naturally, they need to have their heads examined.If he continues to work on his passing he will improve. It's just simple math. He just never ran a pro style offense and he is very raw and his fundamentals are awful.

To count him out after 14 games because of a few bad one's in a row is something reserved for morons.
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Huh? I've been here over a year and this guy comes back every 2-3 months with a new name. It doesn't take an OMane founder to know this. His posts are always the same. Swearing about KC fans and Zach in particular. It's pretty obvious.

Your obsession with me is still cute, though, so don't worry.
Sure thing little girl. You continually know about all kinds of stuff that happened before your join date. You claim to have lurked for a long time and then suddenly started posting 20 times a day. You just refered to a member who was banned long before you got here. You are too stupid to pull off the account switch.
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How long before this guy gets banned again? I'm guessing this first post will do it.
Why did he get banned the first time?
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OABB, I honestly don't know if his game can translate into winning a Lombardi even with an elite defense and running back(s), but seriously, do you see this guy becoming a passer like Manning or Brees?
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Sure thing little girl. You continually know about all kinds of stuff that happened before your join date. You claim to have lurked for a long time and then suddenly started posting 20 times a day. You just refered to a member who was banned long before you got here. You are too stupid to pull off the account switch.
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OABB, I honestly don't know if his game can translate into winning a Lombardi even with an elite defense and running back(s), but seriously, do you see this guy becoming a passer like Manning or Brees?
How many SBs have these top passers won compared to guys like Big Ben or early Brady? Brady became that type of passer and they stopped winning SBs.

Why exactly does he need to be Manning or Brees?
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That is a nice try on deflecting. So, how long did it take before you embarrassed yourself so much that you had to create a new account? It is pretty sad that you take the internet this seriously.
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OABB, I honestly don't know if his game can translate into winning a Lombardi even with an elite defense and running back(s), but seriously, do you see this guy becoming a passer like Manning or Brees?
Seems like a perpetual recipe for disaster... cycling QB's until you find yourself with Manning or Brees. SD even had Brees and kept looking for the next Brees. One more season of patience and they'd still have him.
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