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Old 01-03-2012, 10:02 PM   #76
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He's young.

I'll give him the same benefit of the doubt I give every first year starter.
where is your benefit of doubt for eric decker?

you have been blasting him saying that he needs to catch the ball better... so does that mean you hate eric decker? ...just saying he needs to work on something and he's not up to speed doesn't necessarily mean you hate him....
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I wonder if it has anything to do with Tebow's inability to throw a football?
What was Orton's problem, then? He couldn't throw in Denver but can in KC... or was the defense not good enough for Orton? Can't be that though right?

Because the defense is supposed to be carrying Tebow.. oh... that's right.. the defense only magically showed up when Tebow was starter.. even in the same game when Tebow was made starter against San Diego..
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where is your benefit of doubt for eric decker?

you have been blasting him saying that he needs to catch the ball better... so does that mean you hate eric decker? ...just saying he needs to work on something and he's not up to speed doesn't necessarily mean you hate him....
I have also praised Eric Decker several times here...even saying that he has earned the right to start.
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And that is the difference between a fan of players, and a team fan. I supported Orton, but could admit when he was not doing good things for the team, and said "Ok, get rid of him." And I was a fan for Tebow, and now.. since we have seen a body of work during the season, I can say... I don't think he is the guy either. I am a Bronco fan. Not an Orton fan. Not a Tebow fan.

Bronco fans used to be united. Now they are torn up over stupid, inane, pointless bickering over single players. Mostly the QB position. But I am willing to go through 10 QBs or 15 if we have to, until we find the QB of the future of this team. People can dance around the fact all the like, but the truth is that the QB IS the center of the team. The top teams are almost ALWAYS the teams with the best QBs. And it would be worth even dumping an entire draft, to get one of the blue chip players that has an excellent shot at being the next great QB for the franchise.

I don't hate any Bronco player. I didn't hate Orton, or Cutler, or Plummer, or even Griese (although he made me almost cry in frustration). I support any player on the team, but that doesn't mean I am so BLIND by my fanaticism for a QB, that I will conveniently ignore the inconsistencies and problems they have. Tebow is not showing that he is an NFL ready QB. But many fans are so infatuated with the guy, they will submit to YEARS of being a crappy, barely scraping by team, just to keep him on the roster. And woe to any fan that dares question him. No, blame the coaches, the receivers, the game plan, everything except the QB. Guess I'm a hater for being a realist.

Excellent take & rep.

I am generally in that same boat. Something about the Teebs fans though makes it all worth it if he just goes away. I dont really want him gone but I sure and sh*t want them gone (and not just the clowns here). I just want him playing TE with some very interesting trick plays throughout the game. The leadership and intangibles are definitely worth something not to mention the mismatches he presents in the open field. But something tells me Timmy, the ultimate team guy, wouldnt go for it. Its QB or bust for him, not "wherever coach thinks I can best help the team win."
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What was Orton's problem, then? He couldn't throw in Denver but can in KC... or was the defense not good enough for Orton? Can't be that though right?

Because the defense is supposed to be carrying Tebow.. oh... that's right.. the defense only magically showed up when Tebow was starter.. even in the same game when Tebow was made starter against San Diego..
So....the defense didn't like Orton but likes Tebow and therefore we win? Sounds legit.

Note to self: apply for NFL QB. No ability to throw? No problem. Solution: bring cupcakes to the defense's practice.

At absolute best, Tim Tebow can hope to be as competent a QB as Jake Plummer - another running QB with accuracy issues that the players "liked" for awhile. But then again Tebow can't throw so it's a bit unfair to compare him to Plummer.
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I don't hate Tebow but, I think he has a million miles to go to be good IF he ever can be. I also feel our system isn't right for him either so I'd love to end the experiment as soon as we can move on. Regardless of my opinions what FO actually does is another story and will be most telling. I don't buy anything anybody is saying until a legit move is made.

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I have also praised Eric Decker several times here...even saying that he has earned the right to start.
and the same could be said about me when it comes to tim tebow... I have said many times that we can win games with him and that he has done enough to be our starter next year but I am labelled a hater because I don't think he can throw a ball right.

The last 3 games has proven that I am correct in my assessment of his throwing ability...or disability.
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and the same could be said about me when it comes to tim tebow... I have said many times that we can win games with him and that he has done enough to be our starter next year but I am labelled a hater because I don't think he can throw a ball right.

The last 3 games has proven that I am correct in my assessment of his throwing ability...or disability.
Tebow didn't have a bad game against New England.

He did have a bad game against Buffalo though and a bad game against KC.
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And that is the difference between a fan of players, and a team fan. I supported Orton, but could admit when he was not doing good things for the team, and said "Ok, get rid of him." And I was a fan for Tebow, and now.. since we have seen a body of work during the season, I can say... I don't think he is the guy either. I am a Bronco fan. Not an Orton fan. Not a Tebow fan.

Bronco fans used to be united. Now they are torn up over stupid, inane, pointless bickering over single players. Mostly the QB position. But I am willing to go through 10 QBs or 15 if we have to, until we find the QB of the future of this team. People can dance around the fact all the like, but the truth is that the QB IS the center of the team. The top teams are almost ALWAYS the teams with the best QBs. And it would be worth even dumping an entire draft, to get one of the blue chip players that has an excellent shot at being the next great QB for the franchise.

I don't hate any Bronco player. I didn't hate Orton, or Cutler, or Plummer, or even Griese (although he made me almost cry in frustration). I support any player on the team, but that doesn't mean I am so BLIND by my fanaticism for a QB, that I will conveniently ignore the inconsistencies and problems they have. Tebow is not showing that he is an NFL ready QB. But many fans are so infatuated with the guy, they will submit to YEARS of being a crappy, barely scraping by team, just to keep him on the roster. And woe to any fan that dares question him. No, blame the coaches, the receivers, the game plan, everything except the QB. Guess I'm a hater for being a realist.
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Tebow didn't have a bad game against New England.

He did have a bad game against Buffalo though and a bad game against KC.
tim tebow has averaged 2 turnovers a game for the past 5 weeks....

he hasn't hit on more than 50 percent of his passes in over half of his career starts

I think he's a great guy and I think he's a team leader and he's the kind of guy that you really really want to see have success.... unfortunately for him my love for the broncos supersedes my love of any player.

I use to wish I could play quarterback in the nfl now I just wish Tim could..
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And that is the difference between a fan of players, and a team fan. I supported Orton, but could admit when he was not doing good things for the team, and said "Ok, get rid of him." And I was a fan for Tebow, and now.. since we have seen a body of work during the season, I can say... I don't think he is the guy either. I am a Bronco fan. Not an Orton fan. Not a Tebow fan.

Bronco fans used to be united. Now they are torn up over stupid, inane, pointless bickering over single players. Mostly the QB position. But I am willing to go through 10 QBs or 15 if we have to, until we find the QB of the future of this team. People can dance around the fact all the like, but the truth is that the QB IS the center of the team. The top teams are almost ALWAYS the teams with the best QBs. And it would be worth even dumping an entire draft, to get one of the blue chip players that has an excellent shot at being the next great QB for the franchise.

I don't hate any Bronco player. I didn't hate Orton, or Cutler, or Plummer, or even Griese (although he made me almost cry in frustration). I support any player on the team, but that doesn't mean I am so BLIND by my fanaticism for a QB, that I will conveniently ignore the inconsistencies and problems they have. Tebow is not showing that he is an NFL ready QB. But many fans are so infatuated with the guy, they will submit to YEARS of being a crappy, barely scraping by team, just to keep him on the roster. And woe to any fan that dares question him. No, blame the coaches, the receivers, the game plan, everything except the QB. Guess I'm a hater for being a realist.
I fear your measured, reasonable explanation is too rational for the OP. Tebow for life man! OP is so all-in on Tebow that Timmy is practically teabagging his shoulders.
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tim tebow has averaged 2 turnovers a game for the past 5 weeks....

he hasn't hit on more than 50 percent of his passes in over half of his career starts

I think he's a great guy and I think he's a team leader and he's the kind of guy that you really really want to see have success.... unfortunately for him my love for the broncos supersedes my love of any player.

I use to wish I could play quarterback in the nfl now I just wish Tim could..
Imagine that. Love for the overall team can still coexist with the notion that deciding you dont think a particular player should be part of the future. Its called long term thinking. Too many of the pre-Teebs Bronco fans are all in the instant gratification mode for a guy who can, at-best, scratch and claw his was to division title for a few years or sniff the WC. But not enough for a return to prominence.

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tim tebow has averaged 2 turnovers a game for the past 5 weeks....

he hasn't hit on more than 50 percent of his passes in over half of his career starts

I think he's a great guy and I think he's a team leader and he's the kind of guy that you really really want to see have success.... unfortunately for him my love for the broncos supersedes my love of any player.

I use to wish I could play quarterback in the nfl now I just wish Tim could..
You left out his rushing stats and the fact that they have contributed to making the Broncos the #1 rushing offense in the NFL.

Plus, its not entirely telling to cherry pick his turnover stats.
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That was a long time ago and Dag was the one that got banned because he called Spider's kid a stripper.
Oh no, Fagmar got banned yet again?
This guy gets banned at least once at month, and looks like he's started the year right on cue.
How long until they ban his worthless ass for good?

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the difference between us (real bronco fans) and you (tebow fans) is if/when Tebow is replaced we'll still be here, and the majority of you guys won't...
I have been here a long time and I Like Tebow. I think he may still develope and I also think that he may bomb out. Either way I think that the play calling is a big part of the problem, and I detest the calls to trade Tebow for the peanuts and possible magic beans that some would suggest he's worth. He is a work in progress , yes, and he needs to get better, but he is my teams QB and I'm going to pull for the team AND my QB to do something different this week and shock some people. I'll pull for him Next year too, and hope that he is still here.

And if someone ends up replacing him I'll pull for THAT guy too, in fact I think he may already be on the roster ( and no his initials aren't BQ). But in the meantime I'll go with the Qb that is here NOW. And that is Tebow.


If he eventually gets replaced due to an inability to improve that's fair. But the sample size is still to small to say he CAN'T improve.
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Imagine that. Love for the overall team can still coexist with the notion that deciding you dont think a particular player should be part of the future. Its called long term thinking. Too many of the pre-Teebs Bronco fans are all in the instant gratification mode for a guy who can, at-best, scratch and claw his was to division title for a few years or sniff the WC. But not enough for a return to prominence.
As I said earlier, Fox has more games as a Bronco than Tebow, and he's fresh off coaching the Carolina Panthers to the worst record (and offense) in the league.

All you hair triggers talking about upholding high standards in the first year better apply those high standards consistently.
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I have been here a long time and I Like Tebow. I think he may still develope and I also think that he may bomb out. Either way I think that the play calling is a big part of the problem, and I detest the calls to trade Tebow for the peanuts and possible magic beans that some would suggest he's worth. He is a work in progress , yes, and he needs to get better, but he is my teams QB and I'm going to pull for the team AND my QB to do something different this week and shock some people. I'll pull for him Next year too, and hope that he is still here.

And if someone ends up replacing him I'll pull for THAT guy too, in fact I think he may already be on the roster ( and no his initials aren't BQ). But in the meantime I'll go with the Qb that is here NOW. And that is Tebow.


If he eventually gets replaced due to an inability to improve that's fair. But the sample size is still to small to say he CAN'T improve.

Great post.
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I commend the OP for continuing to fight the fight for Tebow. He believes in Tebow so strongly that Timmy is literally bestowing his crown jewels upon epic's shoulders.
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And that is the difference between a fan of players, and a team fan. I supported Orton, but could admit when he was not doing good things for the team, and said "Ok, get rid of him." And I was a fan for Tebow, and now.. since we have seen a body of work during the season, I can say... I don't think he is the guy either. I am a Bronco fan. Not an Orton fan. Not a Tebow fan.

Bronco fans used to be united. Now they are torn up over stupid, inane, pointless bickering over single players. Mostly the QB position. But I am willing to go through 10 QBs or 15 if we have to, until we find the QB of the future of this team. People can dance around the fact all the like, but the truth is that the QB IS the center of the team. The top teams are almost ALWAYS the teams with the best QBs. And it would be worth even dumping an entire draft, to get one of the blue chip players that has an excellent shot at being the next great QB for the franchise.

I don't hate any Bronco player. I didn't hate Orton, or Cutler, or Plummer, or even Griese (although he made me almost cry in frustration). I support any player on the team, but that doesn't mean I am so BLIND by my fanaticism for a QB, that I will conveniently ignore the inconsistencies and problems they have. Tebow is not showing that he is an NFL ready QB. But many fans are so infatuated with the guy, they will submit to YEARS of being a crappy, barely scraping by team, just to keep him on the roster. And woe to any fan that dares question him. No, blame the coaches, the receivers, the game plan, everything except the QB. Guess I'm a hater for being a realist.
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tim tebow has averaged 2 turnovers a game for the past 5 weeks....

he hasn't hit on more than 50 percent of his passes in over half of his career starts

I think he's a great guy and I think he's a team leader and he's the kind of guy that you really really want to see have success.... unfortunately for him my love for the broncos supersedes my love of any player.

I use to wish I could play quarterback in the nfl now I just wish Tim could..
The part you left out is that he made the Broncos go from one of the worst rushing teams to the best literally over night.

And those stats you always point to are a product of the system Fox runs and the fact NO one would be protected by the Broncos line.. this is why Fox said Tebow would be screwed in a normal offense.. because ANY QB would on the Broncos.. and Orton had Lloyd and all the prep...

Tebow could do something with this team even with all it's flaws.. and even at Fox's best when he led the Panthers to the Superbowl Delhomme put up terrible numbers then too...
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It's incredibly weird that Cam and Sam Bradford's teammates and fans love them and they are going to be sitting at home while Tebow is in the playoffs...

That should tell you all you need to know about evaluating talent..
Tells me the NFC South and NFC West have good teams atop their division while the AFC West is full of average teams.

I can see why Tebow haters are so negative after the last 3 performances but unless you're like.. going into week 17 with a shot at the 1st pick in the draft, why would anyone ever want their team to lose? Let alone in the playoffs? Do these tards not care about the other players on the roster? Our young defenders and offensive line can't benefit from playoff football? It's stupid.
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Tells me the NFC South and NFC West have good teams atop their division while the AFC West is full of average teams.

I can see why Tebow haters are so negative after the last 3 performances but unless you're like.. going into week 17 with a shot at the 1st pick in the draft, why would anyone ever want their team to lose? Let alone in the playoffs? Do these tards not care about the other players on the roster? Our young defenders and offensive line can't benefit from playoff football? It's stupid.
I have yet to read a single post where someone said they wanted the Broncos to lose. Please quote the post.
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Tells me the NFC South and NFC West have good teams atop their division while the AFC West is full of average teams.

I can see why Tebow haters are so negative after the last 3 performances but unless you're like.. going into week 17 with a shot at the 1st pick in the draft, why would anyone ever want their team to lose? Let alone in the playoffs? Do these tards not care about the other players on the roster? Our young defenders and offensive line can't benefit from playoff football? It's stupid.
Yeah, it is absolutely crazy. In fact, I am trying to expose those posters right now and cut n paste every single one of them. For some reason, my search function isn't working correctly as it tells me there is none. Can you do me a favor and get those easy to find posts about these supposed Broncos fans wanting us to lose on Sunday?
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...are worse than the UF fan invasion. At least the UF fans are pulling for the Broncos to win. Just sayin'.
Drama llama, the board hypocrite and arseclown, polluting the Mane with his "I'm the only one that wants the Broncos to win" abecedarian, grade school crappola.

Who would have ever thought it?
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