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Old 01-02-2012, 06:41 AM   #176
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No... it was offense.. this is what people don't understand.. offense and defense are tied together.

This is why Fox doesn't WANT guys playing offense... because it would make his defense look worse. It's a gimmick. He runs the ball every play to protect his defense and put them in a good postition and wrested.

Avery Johnson used to use Nowitzki like he was Tim Duncan. That is the worst thing you could do with a player so unconventional like Dirk. Avery did this because he was just trying to mimic Popovich of the Spurs because that was all Avery knew.

Just like NFL coaches can only imitate what they did before under other coaches because they are so limited in their knowledge.
That's actually correct.

It wore Dirk out. Avery Johnson wore Dirk out.
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Old 01-02-2012, 06:44 AM   #177
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TEBLOW SUCKS ------ That is all!
Another guy who hates the Broncos.
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:14 AM   #178
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TEBLOW SUCKS ------ That is all!
The Broncos make it to the playoffs for the first time since 2005 and this is what you post? No wonder so many around here do not view you as a Bronco fan anymore.
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:27 AM   #179
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Tebow doesn't have the line GB does but I've seen them hold forever while Tebow is back there as indecisive as ever.
This is a perfect illustration of why you can't go by LOOKS.

That DEFENSIVE line is "holding" so long because that is what they have been coached to do.. Tebow's mobility and running ability forces the D line to try to contain Tebow. But then what they do is attack him when he is forced to pass. It's really just a kind of delayed blitz. All it does is make Tebow's offensive line LOOK much better than it is. If it was a normal passing QB they would have just attacked immediately and gotten the quick sack.

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At times I thought he was going to hold that ball and never let go. That isn't the line, the WR's, the playcalling. That's Tebow.
It's caused by the lack of aggression.. running every down with ineffective runners... telling your Qb not to risk interceptions as all cost. cutting the playbook down because you aren't making any kind of risky passes.

They basically just don't let Tebow play QB until they are down 2 TDs or it's the end of the 4th quarter.. how can people not see this?

It's also why the Broncos D look much better than it is.. it's a gimmick.. run the ball all the time and punt the opposing offense deep in their own territory every time.

Makes your d look much better at the expense of your own O.. makes opposing Os look bad too.

It's like a slow down low post defensive battle in basketball. Like Popovich in the NBA.
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Old 01-02-2012, 08:11 AM   #180
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Matt Flynn? You are nuts man.. put Tebow in Greenbay's offense he would be unstoppable..

He would probably win more than Rodgers.. but he would still do it ugly so people would doubt him just like everyone is doubting him now.

You gyts are too consumed with "looks".

If Tebow has a real coach that understands offense those couple plays here and there would have been the difference in the game...

It's amazing Tebow was as successful as he was with Fox's weighing him down. He could only do it for so long. He's playing opposing defenses with no help.

If you want to see a carbon copy of this go look back at Dirk Nowitzkis career in the NBA. He had a terrible coach in Avery Johnson that had no idea howto coach offense and he drove Dirk into the ground and had him lose to the Golden State warriors in the first round of the playoffs. Then Dirk wins a championship with a coach that actually knows what he is doing.

You have this incredibly innovative player and Fox has no idea how to adapt to him. Tebow adapted to Fox because of his great running ability.
Really? SO he'd win 16 games this year? Your continually prove yourself to be the dumbest POS to have ever graced this board.
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Old 01-02-2012, 08:37 AM   #181
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The Broncos make it to the playoffs for the first time since 2005 and this is what you post? No wonder so many around here do not view you as a Bronco fan anymore.
He has stated in the past this season he'd rather Tebow lost than the Broncos win, hence why he disappeared during the win streak and came back now.
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Old 01-02-2012, 09:00 AM   #182
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Another guy who hates the Broncos.
I didn't see you saying this one time about Orton. Why don't you try being a Broncos fan and not just a Tebow fan.
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Old 01-02-2012, 09:17 AM   #183
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He has stated in the past this season he'd rather Tebow lost than the Broncos win, hence why he disappeared during the win streak and came back now.
I have never wished for the Broncos to lose you ****ing lying POS immigrant ****.
I dis appeared because during the one week ban I actually enjoyed being away from you co******ing Teboners. Get it?

I also moved to another home and had to prep my other home as a rental. So, take your opinions and shove them where the sun doesn't shine.
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Old 01-02-2012, 09:24 AM   #184
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Lol but you wish for Broncos players to be injured?

Hey, I don't give a **** about your personal life Raiders fan, never will.
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Old 01-02-2012, 09:24 AM   #185
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I really hadn't commented too much on this, because I wanted to see how it played out. I thought the "magic" angle was overstated for several reasons. "Magic" implies an improbable win under unusual circumstances. But all the Bronco wins were exactly the same game! It went like this:

1. Broncs play team with losing record, are offensively challenged like themselves, have a rookie qb, or five dbs out with injury.

2. Defense plays lights out.

3. Tebow runs base offense with option to run. Gains large yardage sporadically. Running backs bust big runs at crucial times. Passes are either soft spirals or wobbly ducks (in no particular order). Hits completely wide open recievers with no adjustments to be made.

4. Opposing defenses back off in fourth quarter, leaving large areas of the field for Tim to roam or run. They no longer contain on the edges and play 10-20 yards off.

5. The so called "magic" begins when the offense suddenly and miraculously moves, after bumbling and stumbling for 55 minutes. Opposing defenses suddenly decide to defend the pass, despite the fact Tim will run for short yardage on key gains.

6. Score is close, a touchdown or less. Big runback is optional, putting Broncos in place for a "comeback."

7. Cameras are deliberately on Tebow for long periods of time between series, or when he's praying or kneeling.

8. We get the standardized cliches about "Tebow Time" and the goobers in the third deck waving signs.

9. Broncos score, pull out narrow win.

9a. Press conference has a Tim giving standard bland comments with no depth or insight as to how he really feels.

10. Skip Bayless will shriek the following day on "ESPN's First Take" and try to shout down Steven A. Smith.

11. Trent Dilfer will pump and praise Tim (curiously, a lot of the same things were said about him although he was a better qb).

THE FLIP SIDE

1. Broncos play team with legitimate qb and offense.
2. Tim turns ball over and fumbles.
3. Defense can't keep up (minus a certain team captain)
4. Broncos get blown out.

So really, they have no margin for error...they either win extremely close games or get totally blown out. You can't trust a team like this in the playoffs. Based on post game comments, it almost feels like the players already know they have no chance. It ain't like back in the day!
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:18 AM   #186
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Lol but you wish for Broncos players to be injured?

Hey, I don't give a **** about your personal life Raiders fan, never will.
Is this Jhnns?
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:09 AM   #187
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****, put Brady Quinn in there, just so we have a control. We will see how bad the WR, Coaches, etc., et al... really are. If Quinn comes in and throws for 300 yards, then there you go, you have your answer.
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According to reports, he was pretty heartbroken. That was the throw right there, the spark. CB's were on everybody like glue, and Tebow put it right where he had a chance to make a catch. Simms kept trying to say it was knocked away, but Willis just spiked it. With that catch, the whole last drive becomes exciting.
thats because the CB did knock it away,watch the replay. Hell it was reviewed again today & it was verified that the CB got his hand in there to knock it out.
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:39 AM   #189
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I dis appeared because during the one week ban I actually enjoyed being away.... Get it?
So why don't you stay away since you enjoyed it so much?

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Old 01-02-2012, 02:08 PM   #190
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Yep... and I'm the same nutjob that said Tebow would make the Broncos better than Orton when everyone said that was impossible.

If Matt Flynn can outplay Rodgers wtf couldn't Tebow?

It absolutely amazes me how blind people can be. Any QB would look great with the weapons Rodgers has and the line protecting him he does. It's the same with Cam Newton in Carolina right now..
I just want to quote this to make sure it really happened
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Old 01-02-2012, 02:19 PM   #191
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So why don't you stay away since you enjoyed it so much?

Superfan.

Because you stupid ****ers keep acting like Tebow is the reason we won the games. Not divine intervention and Prater.

****ing Teboners.
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Old 01-02-2012, 02:24 PM   #192
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Because you stupid ****ers keep acting like Tebow is the reason we won the games. Not divine intervention and Prater.

****ing Teboners.
**** you, superfan.

Keep wishing injury on more Bronco players, why don't you.....

****ing low-life piece of ****.
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Old 01-02-2012, 02:26 PM   #193
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**** you, superfan.

Keep wishing injury on more Bronco players, why don't you.....

****ing low-life piece of ****.

I didn't wish injuries on more players, I would have preferred Kuper being healthy over Timmy being healthy. That's all. I feel bad for Chris.
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I didn't wish injuries on more players, I would have preferred Kuper being healthy over Timmy being healthy. That's all. I feel bad for Chris.
No, that's not exactly what you said.

You said too bad it didn't happen to Tebow, cause he's a waste of a roster space.

Nice try, though.
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Old 01-02-2012, 02:42 PM   #195
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And the forum shift begins...
Not for me Popps. I have never been on the bandwagon. I do not think he is a long term answer. I would love to be wrong. Really. I hope that someone flashes this post at me in three years and says, "Remember when you were bagging on Tebow?" I hope I eat a healthy portion of crow.

But Tebow is not the answer. I hope we draft a QB in the 2nd - 5th round and pick up Matt Flynn as a free agent. Let those three guys fight it out in a full offseason and really build this team.
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Not for me Popps. I have never been on the bandwagon. I do not think he is a long term answer. I would love to be wrong. Really. I hope that someone flashes this post at me in three years and says, "Remember when you were bagging on Tebow?" I hope I eat a healthy portion of crow.

But Tebow is not the answer. I hope we draft a QB in the 2nd - 5th round and pick up Matt Flynn as a free agent. Let those three guys fight it out in a full offseason and really build this team.
I think ultimately you would have to release tebow, tebownites would never let up & would not support whoever won out in training camp. It would create such a distraction that no one would succeed going forward. remember how alot of tebownites make the claim that tebow is not a practice player.
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remember how alot of tebownites make the claim that tebow is not a practice player.
You don't think that was proven by going to the playoffs when Orton couldn't win a game to save his life? lol
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you're also not going to be able to sign matt flynn with the winning pitch of "hey, check it out: come here and we'll let you compete for the job in training camp. and part of your competition will be the most popular player in professional sports. sound good?"
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****, put Brady Quinn in there, just so we have a control. We will see how bad the WR, Coaches, etc., et al... really are. If Quinn comes in and throws for 300 yards, then there you go, you have your answer.
what if he comes in throws for 300 yards and then the run game stinks with him and the defense regresses without the run game and he throws 2 picks and they still lose by a touchdown..?

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I have never wished for the Broncos to lose you ****ing lying POS immigrant ****.
I dis appeared because during the one week ban I actually enjoyed being away from you co******ing Teboners. Get it?

I also moved to another home and had to prep my other home as a rental. So, take your opinions and shove them where the sun doesn't shine.
God you're stupid.

So lets get this straight YOU disappeared because during your one week ban YOU actually enjoyed being away... Like you had any control over it.

You should do everyone a solid tho and get banned more often.
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