We are the 99 Percent

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

1. Dumbest straw man argument ever. The people you're attacking don't believe there's anything intrinsically wrong with being rich - they simply object to unchecked greed and a playing field that's extremely tilted in favor of the rich and powerful.

2. People like you, on the other hand, would have us believe either that greed doesn't exist or that greed is good.

3. According to your reasoning, the rich (or those who aspire to be rich) are justified in virtually any means employed to increase their wealth - no matter how unethical or criminal.

4. Once again, you argue for a system that resembles an NFL game with no rules and no refs.

1. History is a straw man? really?

2. You got any proof of this? Please do a search of all my posts and the word greed. See what you find. I'm pretty darn sure I've been extremely critical of Wall Street. Extremely critical.

3. Really? Got any proof of this? No you don't. What I've said in the past is that we should expand the middle class and in turn raise taxes on the super wealthy. I've also said that you should not punish those who are successful with a huge tax burden. I've never said you shouldn't raise taxes on the ultra wealthy. What I've argued against is redistribution of wealth.

4. Once again, you are making a general statement which you have absolutely no proof to support.

[barryr]

Originally Posted by baja

You are doing exactly what the controlled media wants you to do. they focus one the bad actor they want you to see and they know exactly how you will react, they know you will leap to the assumption ALL the protesters are a bunch of wackos.

Hopefully you wrote the same thing when the same was done to the Tea Party.

[baja]

Originally Posted by barryr

Hopefully you wrote the same thing when the same was done to the Tea Party.

Yes, the Ron Paul inspired Tea Party was almost totally cooped by neocons

What once was a Libertarian movement the Tea Party has been taken over by so called conservatives but in fact it is now more closely related (used by) the neo-con faction of the Republican Party

[baja]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-1875229.html

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by baja

Yes, the Ron Paul inspired Tea Party was almost totally cooped by neocons

What once was a Libertarian movement the Tea Party has been taken over by so called conservatives but in fact it is now more closely related (used by) the neo-con faction of the Republican Party

or so the libby left would like you to think... fact is, you have no solid proof outside of left leaning editorial commentaries that the Tea Party has been transformed into a neo-con puppet.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

or so the libby left would like you to think... fact is, you have no solid proof outside of left leaning editorial commentaries that the Tea Party has been transformed into a neo-con puppet.

Care to tell us who some of the Tea Parties biggest financial backers are?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

or so the libby left would like you to think... fact is, you have no solid proof outside of left leaning editorial commentaries that the Tea Party has been transformed into a neo-con puppet.

............the hits just keep coming from you

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Care to tell us who some of the Tea Parties biggest financial backers are?

you and me brother: http://theteaparty.net/?cdtrack_crea...FQTBKgodkj5kNA

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Spider

............the hits just keep coming from you

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by baja

Yes, the Ron Paul inspired Tea Party was almost totally cooped by neocons

What once was a Libertarian movement the Tea Party has been taken over by so called conservatives but in fact it is now more closely related (used by) the neo-con faction of the Republican Party

The neo-cons still grapple with the Tea Party for power. its a constant running theme in left wing news sources.

But its funny that you criticize the Tea Party in light of these protests, which are far fewer in number and strength than the Tea Party protests and which are obviously organized beforehand by the same groups who organized that crazy One Nation far leftist get-together.

There are literally far leftist groups bussing these people in and feeding them when they get there.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Rein in Wall Street and rescue the middle class

It's time for us to end the financial oligarchy so destructive to our economy. If a bank is too big to fail, it is too big to exist

By Bernie Sanders

The protest movement called Occupy Wall Street has struck a nerve. The demonstrators' goals may be vague but their grievances are very real. If our country is to break out of this horrendous recession and create the millions of jobs we desperately need, if we are going to create a financially-stable future, we must take a hard look at Wall Street and demand fundamental reforms. I hope the protesters provide the spark that ignites that process.

The truth is that millions of Americans lost their jobs, their homes and their life savings because of the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior of Wall Street. Even Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke agreed when I questioned him this week at a joint economic committee hearing that that there was "excessive risk-taking" by Wall Street. Bernanke also said the protesters "with some justification" hold the financial sector responsible for "getting us into this mess", and added, "I can't blame them."

The demonstrators and millions of sympathetic Americans understand that odds are stacked in Wall Street's favor because of the extraordinary economic and political clout of the big banks. Believe it or not, the country's six largest financial institutions (Bank of America, CitiGroup, JP Morgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs) now have amassed assets equal to more than 60% of our gross domestic product. The four largest banks issue two-thirds of all credit cards, half of all mortgages, and hold nearly 40% of all bank deposits. Incredibly, after we bailed out the behemoth banks that were "too big to fail", three out of the four are now even bigger than they were before the financial crisis.

Not only do these financial institutions have enormous economic clout, their wealth makes them an extremely potent political force. From 1998 through 2008, in order to achieve their goal of repealing Glass-Steagall and other financial regulations, they spent more than $5bn on lobbying and campaign contributions. They also spent hundreds of millions to water down last year's Dodd-Frank reform bill. After the law was passed, hundreds of millions more were spent to repeal provisions and weaken regulations. They never give up.

Where do we go from here? How do we convert the protesters' enthusiasm into concrete results?

For starters, we should break up the giant financial institutions. Left to their own selfish devices, Wall Street bankers will continue to gamble with other people's money. Sooner or later, when their bets go wrong, they will come back to Congress asking to be bailed out again. Why not nip that in the bud? There also is a sound economic argument against too few owning far too much. The idea that six giant financial institutions can exert such enormous control over the economy should frighten anyone who believes in a competitive free-market system. Good Republican presidents like William Howard Taft and Teddy Roosevelt broke up Standard Oil, the railroad trusts and other huge monopolies a century ago.

Now is the time for us to end the financial oligarchy that has been so destructive to our economy. If a bank is too big to fail, it is too big to exist.

Wall Street reform also must address the powerful and secretive Federal Reserve. A Government Accountability Office audit that I requested found that the central bank provided $16tn in revolving, low-interest loans to every major financial institution in this country, multinational corporations and some of the wealthiest people in the world. The Fed even helped bail out other central banks around the world. When Wall Street was on the verge of collapse, the Fed acted boldly. Today, with the middle class collapsing, the Fed must act with equal vigor.

Real unemployment is more than 16%. Median family income has declined by $3,600 over the last decade. A record 46 million Americans live in poverty. The gap between the very rich and everyone else, the widest of any major country, is growing wider.

Under emergency provisions already in law, the Fed has the authority to provide low-interest loans to small businesses that are starving for capital so that they can create the millions of jobs our economy needs. It should do so. The Fed also has authority to make credit card issuers stop bilking consumers with sky-high fees and interest rates of 30% or more. Especially in a recession, working people use credit cards to stretch their paychecks for basic needs. Usury is already regarded as a sin in the eyes of every major religion. It should be a crime. The Fed has the authority to limit interest rates and fees. It should do so.

The Occupy Wall Street demonstrators are shining a light on one of the most serious problems facing the United States: the greed, recklessness and power of Wall Street. Now is the time for the president and Congress to follow that light – and act. The future of our economy is at stake.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Farce.

[Smiling Assassin27]

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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Nice straw man.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

We Are the 99 Percent America's leftist uprising

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[baja]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

You miss the point. These people may not have a well formed plan but they are pissed off at what has happened to their lifestyle and they have millions of other Americans right behind them. They now know the culprit is big wall street banks and those banks will not stand the light of day once you start opening this can of worms things will change. This movement is a good thing and long overdue.

When enough people get pissed enough and get off their ass and organize a sustained protest and use their buying power to selective shop things will change.

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by baja

You miss the point. These people may not have a well formed plan but they are 1. pissed off at what has happened to their lifestyle and they 2. have millions of other Americans right behind them. They now 3. know the culprit is big wall street banks and those banks will not stand the light of day once you start opening this can of worms things will change. 4. This movement is a good thing and long overdue.

When enough people get pissed enough and get off their ass and organize a sustained protest and use their buying power to selective shop things will change.

1. So in response they demand nearly everything of value for free?

2. They have Soros and the SEIU behind them.

3. Oddly the banks are always viewed as the bad guy in rough economic times. Much easier to blame the bank/big corp then blame the people actually responsible.

4. I'm sure those freedom/equality loving members who kicked off the French Revolution thought it was a good idea too...until they were killed by the "people" for being enemies of the state.

[Rohirrim]

What I have discovered is that in this day of the internet, cameras everywhere, multiple media all over the globe, and so many talking heads if you put them all together they would reach to the moon - I still can't get any reliable reportage on what's going on.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

[B] United States: the greed, recklessness and power of Wall Street. Now is the time for the president and Congress to follow that light – and act. The future of our economy is at stake.

And this is why I'm voting for Bernie in the next election. He's the only one with a clue.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

So? You could point out that everything in TR's world was owned by the trusts and combinations before he started busting them up. Business isn't bad. The products they create are not bad. Reckless greed is bad. Too bad you can't see the difference.

[baja]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

1. So in response they demand nearly everything of value for free?

2. They have Soros and the SEIU behind them.

3. Oddly the banks are always viewed as the bad guy in rough economic times. Much easier to blame the bank/big corp then blame the people actually responsible.

4. I'm sure those freedom/equality loving members who kicked off the French Revolution thought it was a good idea too...until they were killed by the "people" for being enemies of the state.

The controlled media is doing a good job of focusing on the most outrageous of the demonstrators in an attempt to kill it before it gets rolling. Millions of people are seriously effected by the Great Bank rip off. Yes the early demands are clumsy and undoable but this anger is what you should be paying attention to. This is not going away and they will get better with the demands.

This will come to a head....

[baja]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

What I have discovered is that in this day of the internet, cameras everywhere, multiple media all over the globe, and so many talking heads if you put them all together they would reach to the moon - I still can't get any reliable reportage on what's going on.

www.prisonplanet.tv

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by baja

The controlled media is doing a good job of focusing on the most outrageous of the demonstrators in an attempt to kill it before it gets rolling. Millions of people are seriously effected by the Great Bank rip off. Yes the early demands are clumsy and undoable but this anger is what you should be paying attention to. This is not going away and they will get better with the demands.

This will come to a head....

As Andrew Young pointed out, this is only an "emotional outcry" without much form or cohesion. It's that little rumbling in the ground that causes you to look off into the distance at the quiet volcano standing on your horizon, and briefly wonder.

[baja]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

1. So in response they demand nearly everything of value for free?

2. They have Soros and the SEIU behind them.

3. Oddly the banks are always viewed as the bad guy in rough economic times. Much easier to blame the bank/big corp then blame the people actually responsible.

4. I'm sure those freedom/equality loving members who kicked off the French Revolution thought it was a good idea too...until they were killed by the "people" for being enemies of the state.

BTW a better movement is "Occupy the Fed"

[baja]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

As Andrew Young pointed out, this is only an emotional outcry without much form or cohesion. It's that little rumbling in the ground that causes you to look off into the distance at the quiet volcano standing on the horizon, and briefly wonder.

I do not wonder

There is only two ways this will go down.

People take back their countries from the outlaw Banksters

People roll over and become subjects of the One World Order ( all 500,000,000 left on earth to become subjects that is).