Vontaze for 2012 - Page 3 - The Orange Mane

Popps · 10-07-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

Some do. Some have Teo and Luke Kuechly over him as well. Actually, most reputable places do. Burfict is not a Top 10 player in this draft, especially when he isn't the top at his position (note all those guys are 2013 ILB, like him). I'm not hating on Burfict either, just stating what is out there.

ILB is a real position of need considering Mays is a FA after this year anyways and I wouldn't count on Nate Irving at all. We whiffed on that one, especially when Mason Foster is producing madly for Tampa Bay.

The best all around linebacker out of the three is Luke, because he plays the pass so well and has top-notch instincts. I like Teo's discipline and instincts better than Burfict's, and feel he plays the run better than Luke, but that guy is in on every down making an impact. Burfict is the most aggressive of the three, but that doesn't mean he is the best.

Burfict is no Ray Lewis and is not a blue-chip prospect.

With that said, if we were able to net him somewhere outside the Top 25, go for it. Not before. The other two are better.

So, how would you compare him to Maualuga? From your description, it almost sounds like you think he's that kind of player.

Requiem · 10-07-2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

So, how would you compare him to Maualuga? From your description, it almost sounds like you think he's that kind of player.

Quite similar, but I think that Burfict has the edge as far as athleticism goes. The most glaring similarity is their weaknesses: lack of discipline and poor pass coverage. If Denver wants an ILB, they are going to have to find one who can cover the pass. Mays has been used in this role and been terrible. I think Burfict would breed the same problems already present on the roster.

It's Luke or Teo for me at ILB in this class if we're going to use a first-rounder on one because they have to be a three down player.

If Denver wants a two-down thumper, they don't have to pick one in the first three rounds. It would be pointless.

Broncobiv · 10-07-2011, 09:58 PM

I just like him because his name is already a combination of his own + Von Miller. In fact, draft him, and VonDoom still works!

epicSocialism4tw · 10-07-2011, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Broncobiv

I just like him because his name is already a combination of his own + Von Miller. In fact, draft him, and VonDoom still works!

Vontaze = Von + taze

Someone needs to photoshop Von's head on top of the "dont taze me bro" guy

smoke4815162342 · 10-07-2011, 11:24 PM

He wears #7 because of John Elway, and is a diehard Broncos fans. I know him personally.

24champ · 10-07-2011, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by smoke4815162342

He wears #7 because of John Elway, and is a diehard Broncos fans. I know him personally.

Yes, and Jack Elway had the #7 before Burfict.

smoke4815162342 · 10-07-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 24champ

Yes, and Jack Elway had the #7 before Burfict.

he sure did, if Jack hadn't quit football, he likely would have been the starter for the 2009 season

epicSocialism4tw · 10-07-2011, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by smoke4815162342

He wears #7 because of John Elway, and is a diehard Broncos fans. I know him personally.

Ah, so its a done deal then.

CEH · 10-08-2011, 08:43 AM

I think if Denver is in the 2nd half of the top 10 their top target will be the DT from Clemson Brandon Thompson. Disruptive force who rarely is off his feet

You can find top LBer help in the 2nd round or late first in a small trade up.

Top end DTs are harder to find

teknic · 10-08-2011, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CEH

I think if Denver is in the 2nd half of the top 10 their top target will be the DT from Clemson Brandon Thompson. Disruptive force who rarely is off his feet

You can find top LBer help in the 2nd round or late first in a small trade up.

Top end DTs are harder to find

I 100% disagree with you. Look around the league. The majority of starting DTs were drafted late or undrafted. DTs tend to be busts quite often. So unless a DT is far and away the best prospect available for us to draft, I'd rather draft one late instead of wasting a high pick.

teknic · 10-08-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by smoke4815162342

He wears #7 because of John Elway, and is a diehard Broncos fans. I know him personally.

If I wasn't sold on the guy already, I definitely am now.

Rahim Moore was a Broncos fan growing up too.

Requiem · 10-08-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by teknic

If I wasn't sold on the guy already, I definitely am now.

Rahim Moore was a Broncos fan growing up too.

What if Vinne Testaverde would have grown up a Broncos fan, would you have wanted him too?

How about the one-legged receiver from Abeliene Christian?

The one-eyed right tackle from Miami of Ohio?

schaaf · 10-08-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

What if Vinne Testaverde would have grown up a Broncos fan, would you have wanted him too?

How about the one-legged receiver from Abeliene Christian?

The one-eyed right tackle from Miami of Ohio?

**** yeah man being em all in!

Drunk Monkey · 10-09-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

Vontaze, even in his own class isn't regarded as the best ILB. There is no consensus there, and if he came out in this draft he would not be worth the Top 10 selection we will be having. He is not a disciplined enough player and his weaknesses against the pass negate from him being such a high profile selection. This is quite an early projection, but it's quite possible he doesn't even get drafted in the first round if he declares.

I'd rather Manti Te'o be the MLB of the future for the Denver Broncos. 49 tackles, 6 for loss and four sacks already this college football season. I have no doubts that he will man the MIKE position for the team that drafts him for a decade.

Te'o > Burfict

After watching the ND Air Force game yesterday I am on the Te'o bandwagon. Great speed, good instincts, didn't miss tackles. The option offense that Air Force runs gives the MLB plenty of opportunities to make plays. It was fun to watch him out there.

Requiem · 10-09-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Drunk Monkey

After watching the ND Air Force game yesterday I am on the Te'o bandwagon. Great speed, good instincts, didn't miss tackles. The option offense that Air Force runs gives the MLB plenty of opportunities to make plays. It was fun to watch him out there.

I'm glad you enjoyed watching him!

McDman · 10-09-2011, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bowtown

Yeah I'm sure Irving super depressed about llama's thread on the Mane.

Hahahaha.

The poor guy, how could we do this to him?

McDman · 10-09-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Houshyamama

As long as we keep talking about football and not science or politics, you and I get a long just fine!

Obama sucks.

Bush is racist.

Enough to derail the thread?

Liebs · 10-09-2011, 04:39 PM

also an asu alum and I watch the games closely. he is weak in coverage and has played tentative all year. he's still a top 15 pick though. go devils beat oregon!

Requiem · 10-09-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebs

also an asu alum and I watch the games closely. he is weak in coverage and has played tentative all year. he's still a top 15 pick though. go devils beat oregon!

He is not going in the Top 15.

DENVERDUI55 · 10-16-2011, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

He looks like he is a better blitzer than McClain, and I really haven't seen anything to justify calling him a 2-down linebacker based on his pass coverage skills. Looking at both guys, its easy to see that Bufict is a superior prospect to McClain.

Dude you have seen ZERO ASU games. I can tell by how good you think Vontaze is. Sure he makes big hits but he rarely makes plays and is invisible for a lot of the games. Put that with slow speed and bad pass coverage and you got a 2 down LB.

Rohirrim · 10-16-2011, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Inkana7

Why would we take him over Andrew Luck at #1?

My thoughts exactly.

DENVERDUI55 · 10-16-2011, 08:54 AM

Kirk Herb did little stint on #7 last night how he was supposed to be best defensive player in the draft in the preseason and was far from that. Talked about how he had to be more consistant, smart and actually make plays. His analysis was spot on so whoever wrote it up for him must know his stuff.

epicSocialism4tw · 10-16-2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55

Dude you have seen ZERO ASU games. I can tell by how good you think Vontaze is. Sure he makes big hits but he rarely makes plays and is invisible for a lot of the games. Put that with slow speed and bad pass coverage and you got a 2 down LB.

You should have read the first post in the thread.

smoke4815162342 · 10-16-2011, 09:21 AM

Burfict has lost a lot of his speed since freshmen year, and has been a disappointment this year even though he is still playing at a high level.

Agamemnon · 10-16-2011, 10:13 AM

If we're going to draft a MLB with a top 10 pick he better be on par with Patrick Willis. This guy? Don't make me laugh...

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10-07-2011, 09:58 PM	#53
Broncobiv Tee many martoonis Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,265	I just like him because his name is already a combination of his own + Von Miller. In fact, draft him, and VonDoom still works!

10-07-2011, 11:24 PM	#55
smoke4815162342 Solid Starter New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 237 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	He wears #7 because of John Elway, and is a diehard Broncos fans. I know him personally.

10-08-2011, 08:43 AM	#59
CEH Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,210	I think if Denver is in the 2nd half of the top 10 their top target will be the DT from Clemson Brandon Thompson. Disruptive force who rarely is off his feet You can find top LBer help in the 2nd round or late first in a small trade up. Top end DTs are harder to find

10-09-2011, 04:39 PM	#68
Liebs Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington DC Posts: 352	also an asu alum and I watch the games closely. he is weak in coverage and has played tentative all year. he's still a top 15 pick though. go devils beat oregon!

10-16-2011, 08:54 AM	#72
DENVERDUI55 Drunk on Arrival! New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,157 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	Kirk Herb did little stint on #7 last night how he was supposed to be best defensive player in the draft in the preseason and was far from that. Talked about how he had to be more consistant, smart and actually make plays. His analysis was spot on so whoever wrote it up for him must know his stuff.

10-16-2011, 09:21 AM	#74
smoke4815162342 Solid Starter New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 237 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Burfict has lost a lot of his speed since freshmen year, and has been a disappointment this year even though he is still playing at a high level.

10-16-2011, 10:13 AM	#75
Agamemnon Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 10,429 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	If we're going to draft a MLB with a top 10 pick he better be on par with Patrick Willis. This guy? Don't make me laugh...