OrangeMane Podcast - Episode 8 - @ Green Bay - Page 6 - The Orange Mane

Taco John · 10-06-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

As regards the Shanahan firing and what to do / what wasn't done... I'd have stripped the guy of any personnel control. Have any owners ever retained coaches while removing some of their responsibility?

Wouldn't have worked, and wasn't necessary anyway. Shanahan was the Vice President of Football Operations. He wasn't taking a demotion. He didn't need to because when he was fired, he finally had a group that was making some good decisions and approaching the draft the right way.

The only thing Shanahan needed was one more year to use the record amount of draft picks and salary cap room that he had stockpiled. Even if we had fired him the next year, this organization would be light years ahead of where it is right now.

Chris · 10-06-2011, 09:48 AM

I agree that we'd be ahead... but what defensive talent did the Goodmans draft? Dumervil. One elite pick on D in three drafts. Forgive me as I'm not entirely sure when they came into our scouting department while Sundquist was GM.

Defensive Draft Picks

2008

Backup - Josh Barrett (on our team), Jack Williams
Duds - Carlton Powell

2007

Backup - Marcus Thomas
Duds - Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder

2006

Elite starter - Elvis Dumervil

TheDave · 10-06-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

I agree that we'd be ahead... but what defensive talent did the Goodmans draft? Dumervil. One elite pick on D in three drafts. Forgive me as I'm not entirely sure when they came into our scouting department while Sundquist was GM.

Defensive Draft Picks

2008

Backup - Josh Barrett (on our team), Jack Williams
Duds - Carlton Powell

2007

Backup - Marcus Thomas
Duds - Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder

2006

Elite starter - Elvis Dumervil

Fwiw... Where we were drafting I think shanny would have drafted Orakpo.

Him and Doom would have been nice in 2009.

hambone13 · 10-07-2011, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray Finkle

Again let me first start by stating this, I really like the pod cast. However, the constant b****ing and finger pointing about who is at fault is tiring. Socal's Venom for Bowlen, Everyone else's venom against Orton takes away a lot of the great parts.

I understand it's a round table discussion but I am so Orton/Tebow'd out....

Given you Av.....well let's just leave it at that.

CEH · 10-08-2011, 08:32 AM

Who just said how does Miller's 4 sacks compare to Peterson's one turnover and 7 points on a punt return.

Simple

Miller has 2 forced fumbles inside the oponents red zone setting up the offense to score 7 and win 2 games. Had they scored we are now 3-1.
Can't ask for more 4 games in. A direct impact on winning from the defensive side of the ball

Big wow Peterson returned a punt for a TD but is getting torched at this postion is on pace to be the next Antrelle Rolle

What we really need to do is trade DJ and free up that $5MM to pay a decent CB like Joesph to start opposite Champ. That would have been a coup and a great FA move

TheReverend · 10-08-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CEH

Who just said how does Miller's 4 sacks compare to Peterson's one turnover and 7 points on a punt return.

Simple

Miller has 2 forced fumbles inside the oponents red zone setting up the offense to score 7 and win 2 games. Had they scored we are now 3-1.
Can't ask for more 4 games in. A direct impact on winning from the defensive side of the ball

Big wow Peterson returned a punt for a TD but is getting torched at this postion is on pace to be the next Antrelle Rolle

What we really need to do is trade DJ and free up that $5MM to pay a decent CB like Joesph to start opposite Champ. That would have been a coup and a great FA move

Had he forced the fumbles and recovered em, for sure. An INT is simply more valuable than a FF and a TD much more valuable than either.

Quite frankly, an extra 7 in week 1 (or 3) puts Denver at 2-2 and a lot more optimistic moving forward.

Certainly not saying we made the wrong pick, but both have made large impacts so far into their careers and making absolute conclusions based on 4 games of hopefully LONG careers is the epitome of ridiculousness and why I tried to avoid even talking about it several times.

PS. He's really NOT getting torched at his position...

CEH · 10-08-2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Had he forced the fumbles and recovered em, for sure. An INT is simply more valuable than a FF and a TD much more valuable than either.

Quite frankly, an extra 7 in week 1 (or 3) puts Denver at 2-2 and a lot more optimistic moving forward.

Certainly not saying we made the wrong pick, but both have made large impacts so far into their careers and making absolute conclusions based on 4 games of hopefully LONG careers is the epitome of ridiculousness and why I tried to avoid even talking about it several times.

PS. He's really NOT getting torched at his position...

But Denver did recovered both forced fumbles so I'm not sure what you are saying an INT is more valuable than the 2 FF recovered by Denver. If the offense was semi compentent Denver would be 3-1 right now thanks in large part to Von Miller

Peterson's a rookie and is learning the ropes ala Shawn Springs back in the day but the jury is still out if he's quick twitch enough to remain at CB

TheReverend · 10-08-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CEH

But Denver did recovered both forced fumbles so I'm not sure what you are saying an INT is more valuable than the 2 FF recovered by Denver. If the offense was semi compentent Denver would be 3-1 right now thanks in large part to Von Miller

Peterson's a rookie and is learning the ropes ala Shawn Springs back in the day but the jury is still out if he's quick twitch enough to remain at CB

No, I'm saying individually an INT is worth more than a FF. Unless it's a FF and a FR. There's nothing debatable about that.

Sim Pilot 4.0 · 10-08-2011, 03:28 PM

I finally got a chance to listen to a couple of these podcasts. I like them. Job well done.

CEH · 10-08-2011, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

No, I'm saying individually an INT is worth more than a FF. Unless it's a FF and a FR. There's nothing debatable about that.

BTW Great job on your first podcast. And great job to all involved

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10-06-2011, 09:48 AM	#127
Chris Millenium Scrooge McDuck Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7,498 Adopt-a-Bronco: OrlandoFranklin	I agree that we'd be ahead... but what defensive talent did the Goodmans draft? Dumervil. One elite pick on D in three drafts. Forgive me as I'm not entirely sure when they came into our scouting department while Sundquist was GM. Defensive Draft Picks 2008 Backup - Josh Barrett (on our team), Jack Williams Duds - Carlton Powell 2007 Backup - Marcus Thomas Duds - Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder 2006 Elite starter - Elvis Dumervil

10-08-2011, 08:32 AM	#130
CEH Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,210	Who just said how does Miller's 4 sacks compare to Peterson's one turnover and 7 points on a punt return. Simple Miller has 2 forced fumbles inside the oponents red zone setting up the offense to score 7 and win 2 games. Had they scored we are now 3-1. Can't ask for more 4 games in. A direct impact on winning from the defensive side of the ball Big wow Peterson returned a punt for a TD but is getting torched at this postion is on pace to be the next Antrelle Rolle What we really need to do is trade DJ and free up that $5MM to pay a decent CB like Joesph to start opposite Champ. That would have been a coup and a great FA move

10-08-2011, 03:28 PM	#134
Sim Pilot 4.0 Solid Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 133 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	I finally got a chance to listen to a couple of these podcasts. I like them. Job well done.