We are the 99 Percent

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Citi's Plutonomy Memos..

First published in 2006, they are clearly still the operating policy of the 1%-ers. Their contempt for us, down here, is palpable, and it is clearly stated that the #1 fear is that we'll finally catch on, and demand our share back. Also in the memos: They have the power and the influence to start major conflicts, should we get uppity.

-- Part One

--Part Two

These won't last long. They've been up a surprisingly long time as it is. Please download them, and repost them wherever you can.

That is some of the most despicable **** I've ever read. Those are the people laughing and sipping champagne while the taxpayers they rob are protesting below.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

So the solution in your eyes is to steal wealth from one group and give it to government, and that will "fix it"?

Which leads right back to what I said in the first place. You exchange one master for another and consider it a victory. The issue is government, not the wealthy.

"Steal?" That's where you're ****ed up right out of the gate.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

That is some of the most despicable **** I've ever read. Those are the people laughing and sipping champagne while the taxpayers they rob are protesting below.

The contempt these f_ck sticks have for the rest of us is unbelievable.

Our founders fought a revolution to free themselves from tyrants who thought in the same terms and who behaved in exactly the same manner.

[baja]

The White house has to be aware of this attitude yet they sit on their hands. How can any of you still believe in a government solution?

The "If only so and so is elected we can right the ship" belief is nothing more than a feel good denial. Wake up people it's 2 minutes to midnight.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

"Steal?" That's where you're ****ed up right out of the gate.

Amazing how bass-ackwards he is in his perception of who is really doing the stealing.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

"Steal?" That's where you're ****ed up right out of the gate.

When he and millions like him change their tune from "Steal" to "Rightfully recover" change will begin.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by baja

The White house has to be aware of this attitude yet they sit on their hands. How can any of you still believe in a government solution?

The "If only so and so is elected we can right the ship" belief is nothing more than a feel good denial. Wake up people it's 2 minutes to midnight.

Obama is a republican.

Even when his party controlled both chambers, his top priority was making sure the repigs were happy.

[baja]

I'm beginning to think they are all lizard people

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Yeah. Taxation does not equal stealing. No matter how hard you try to do mental gymnastics to make that claim. However, simply taking more money for the sake of taking it IS stealing.

I find it interesting. Your side constantly harps about jobs going overseas, yet the US has the 2nd highest business tax rate in the world. It apparently has never occured to your side that maybe slashing that tax would actually encourage job growth here...which grows the tax base. Its much easier to just squeeze the wealthy. Then you act indignant when they choose to either not invest in expansion or the market, which brings in diminishing returns. And then your side pushes for tax increases. Leads to fewer jobs, more government spending and a need for more revenue. But of course, saying this cycle is stupid and blaming government for it MUST mean I defend the uberrich plutocracy. You have logic fail.

You are the guy who believes installing a new drain in the basement will stop the flooding in a house but conveniently ignore the giant hole in the roof and the busted pipes in the floor. When you have the giant hole pointed out to you, you blame the previous owners. When the pipes are pointed out to you, you blame the lack of regulation at the pipe making factory. In either case, you still do not fix the problem and instead carp that your neighbors have houses that are not flooding and it would be more fair to have them chip in to pay for your new roof and new pipes.

But I'm sure in response I will get a nonsensical political cartoon or some change of subject.

I'll let you reconcile these three paragraphs and figure out who's stealing from who:


For those unaccustomed to the loopholes and shelters of the corporate tax code, GE's success at avoiding taxes is nothing short of extraordinary. The company, led by Immelt, earned $14.2 billion in profits in 2010, but it paid not a penny in taxes because the bulk of those profits, some $9 billion, were offshore. In fact, GE got a $3.2 billion tax benefit.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gener...ry?id=13224558

The report, “The Sad But True Story Of Wages In America,” by economists Lawrence Mishel and Heidi Shierholz, finds that American workers across the board -- whether in the private or public sector, high school- or college-educated –- "have suffered from decades of stagnating wages despite large gains in productivity." The trend isn’t new, either. Between 1979 and 2009, EPI says, U.S. productivity increased by 80 percent, while the hourly wage of the median worker has only gone up by 10.1 percent.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_837814.html

The 22 statistics detailed here prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the middle class is being systematically wiped out of existence in America...

• Only the top 5 percent of U.S. households have earned enough additional income to match the rise in housing costs since 1975.
• For the first time in U.S. history, banks own a greater share of residential housing net worth in the United States than all individual Americans put together.
• In 1950, the ratio of the average executive's paycheck to the average worker's paycheck was about 30 to 1. Since the year 2000, that ratio has exploded to between 300 to 500 to one.
• As of 2007, the bottom 80 percent of American households held about 7% of the liquid financial assets.
• The bottom 50 percent of income earners in the United States now collectively own less than 1 percent of the nation’s wealth.
• Average Wall Street bonuses for 2009 were up 17 percent when compared with 2008.

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer at a staggering rate. Once upon a time, the United States had the largest and most prosperous middle class in the history of the world, but now that is changing at a blinding pace.
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker...CD,WMT,XRT,DIA

[DomCasual]

I don't know if this has been posted yet?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-...their-example/


The 53% is a group of responsible young people organizing across the country. However, this group is not camping out in parks around the country and demanding the entire capitalist system be destroyed. These men and women have jobs (most of them work at more than one job in order to make ends meet),

[Rigs11]

Ron Paul supports these protesters.how do you paul supporters feel?

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by DomCasual

I don't know if this has been posted yet?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-...their-example/


The 53% is a group of responsible young people organizing across the country. However, this group is not camping out in parks around the country and demanding the entire capitalist system be destroyed. These men and women have jobs (most of them work at more than one job in order to make ends meet),

Funny, but just more bull****. I don't blame these people for thinking the only people marching on Wall Street are new age hippies who've never worked in their lives. That's all the media is giving them. I was watching PBS last night. They wandered through the crowd talking to many of the protesters. Many of them are laid off fifty somethings who have been pushed out of their jobs. Some were in their 70s and 80s (greatest generation types) saying this is not the America they grew up in, fought for, or want. Personally, I don't think it matters. The numbers are what counts. The disparity of wealth will continue to grow and these protests will get larger and far more nasty. History doesn't lie. No society can sustain these kinds of feudalist numbers for long.

[baja]

Protesting the fed is a good place to start people need a leader and a reasonable plan start with reinstalling the Glass–Steagall Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act

[baja]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Funny, but just more bull****. I don't blame these people for thinking the only people marching on Wall Street are new age hippies who've never worked in their lives. That's all the media is giving them. I was watching PBS last night. They wandered through the crowd talking to many of the protesters. Many of them are laid off fifty somethings who have been pushed out of their jobs. Some were in their 70s and 80s (greatest generation types) saying this is not the America they grew up in, fought for, or want. Personally, I don't think it matters. The numbers are what counts. The disparity of wealth will continue to grow and these protests will get larger and far more nasty. History doesn't lie. No society can sustain these kinds of feudalist numbers for long.

Less than an hour ago you were ridiculing the movement and it's diversity

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by baja

Less than an hour ago you were ridiculing the movement and it's diversity

You mean because the libertarians were thinking they could take it over?

[DomCasual]

Okay, for someone with a less simple mind than me, what is the realistic end game for all these protests?

[baja]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

You mean because the libertarians were thinking they could take it over?

I'm hearing a lot of calls for cooperation between the groups and focus on a common enemy which I agree with whole heartedly. Our power lays in solidarity and out of desperation it is happening.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by DomCasual

Okay, for someone with a less simple mind than me, what is the realistic end game for all these protests?

To strike fear into the hearts of the oligarchs. The American Spring is dawning.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by baja

I'm hearing a lot of calls for cooperation between the groups and focus on a common enemy which I agree with whole heartedly. Our power lays in solidarity and out of desperation it is happening.

The common enemy is not the Fed.

[DomCasual]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

To strike fear into the hearts of the oligarchs. The American Spring is dawning.

What about a bunch of people in a park is going to strike fear into them?

I promise - I'm not being glib here. I honestly feel that I am missing something in all of this.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by DomCasual

What about a bunch of people in a park is going to strike fear into them?

I promise - I'm not being glib here. I honestly feel that I am missing something in all of this.

Because they saw what happened in Egypt and what is happening in Europe. IMO, this is only the beginning. The first rumblings. If things don't change, the rumblings will lead to a volcano.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Because they saw what happened in Egypt and what is happening in Europe. IMO, this is only the beginning. The first rumblings. If things don't change, the rumblings will lead to a volcano.

Community organizers and union mobs storming the streets! Oh my!

What you really have to watch for is the far leftists who will start killing people because they see terrorism as a valid form of political force.

[baja]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

Community organizers and union mobs storming the streets! Oh my!

What you really have to watch for is the far leftists who will start killing people because they see terrorism as a valid form of political force.

Dude you are sick seek help.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by baja

Dude you are sick seek help.

If that's what you think, then I'm doing pretty good.

Maybe you have missed all the death threats from these clowns.

[mhgaffney]

IMO Chris Hedges hit the nail when he said -- it is not our job (as activists) to take political power -- but rather -- to take a principled position and talk truth to power.

In other words -- to make the rulers scared of the 99%.

MHG