Vontaze for 2012 - The Orange Mane

epicSocialism4tw · 10-06-2011, 11:07 PM

You wanna bring back the Orange Crush? Here it is:

This guy plus Von Miller? Fuggedabout it.

I'm not sure where he's projected in the draft, but he looks like the second-best prospect of 2012 to me. Watch him take excellent angles to the ball and just blow people up. This is a pure MLB who savors the nasty grit in the wash on rushing plays. He'll get in the gap and blow up an offensive lineman like he's a wide receiver.

I really can't think of another MLB I have seen in recent years who is this much of an old school jaw-buster who plays with this much passion.

Now, I dont get much Pac 10 football here and I have only seen him play a few times, so I don't know if he is consistently this good. Maybe some of you guys who catch him weekly can fill us in.

BroncoMan4ever · 10-06-2011, 11:10 PM

he is good but plays a little out of control sometimes. gets a good amount of stupid penalties as well. if he can avoid being taunted into committing those stupid penalties and can channel his aggression a little better he can be a perennial pro bowler MLB in the mold of a Ray Lewis which would be awesome in Denver.

his addition would undoubtedly make DJ the weak link in the LB corps.

epicSocialism4tw · 10-06-2011, 11:10 PM

epicSocialism4tw · 10-06-2011, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

he is good but plays a little out of control sometimes. gets a good amount of stupid penalties as well. if he can avoid being taunted into committing those stupid penalties and can channel his aggression a little better he can be a perennial pro bowler MLB in the mold of a Ray Lewis which would be awesome in Denver.

his addition would undoubtedly make DJ the weak link in the LB corps.

That's not a bad weak link. DJ still has speed and could play OLB.

We'd potentially have the best run defense in the league within 2 years after the draft if Vontaze even became a solid starter type. He looks like a pure run defender with a nasty streak.

epicSocialism4tw · 10-06-2011, 11:26 PM

The Meanest Man in College Football:

“For every great story you have about Vontaze,” says Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck, “another guy on another team will say he has one better.”

“I know one thing,” says Oregon State coach Mike Riley. “Somebody is taking a blow every play (Burfict is) on the field.”

From near academic casualty to a player former USC coach Pete Carroll whined about upon losing the recruiting battle to Arizona State, Burfict now is arguably the most gifted—and complicated—player in the game.

"...the play against Washington in 2009, when Burfict shot the gap on a fly sweep, knocked the guard off his feet and made the tackle. During film study, coaches replayed the moment over and over in sheer disbelief.

“I swear to God, he decleated a 325-pound guy,” Moos says. “You wouldn’t believe it if it wasn’t on film.”

Or the play last year against Oregon, a game many NFL scouts say defines Burfict’s talent—which lies in his ability to chase and pursue from one side of the play to the other without giving up ground or explosive power—because the Ducks run read option plays where the quarterback reads the defensive tackle and directs the flow of the play away from his pursuit.

Burfict shot the gap, knocking Oregon guard Carson York into the backfield and forcing Ducks quarterback Darron Thomas to commit to handing off to tailback LaMichael James. Burfict then tackled both York and James—460-plus pounds of player—at the same time for a 5-yard loss.

“You’re thinking he can’t do that,” former Oregon center Jordan Holmes says, “and then he does it, and you’re left thinking, Holy cow.”

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-foo...#ixzz1a4hPraJE

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This guy idolizes Dick Butkus and Ray Lewis. He's 6'3" 250 and hits like a ton of bricks. I don't think I have seen another player in college hit like this guy. There is so much power in his lean. He's going to make running backs pay in the NFL.

Borks147 · 10-06-2011, 11:34 PM

if we get him, it'd be a shame if Dawkins isnt around anymore - people would look back in awe that those two guys once played on the same team.

Popps · 10-06-2011, 11:41 PM

Seems like a long time since there was a legit #1 MLB coming out.
I'd love this kind of a pick.

Shananahan · 10-06-2011, 11:42 PM

I read he might make a run at the Heisman.

Tyrant · 10-06-2011, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

he is good but plays a little out of control sometimes. gets a good amount of stupid penalties as well. if he can avoid being taunted into committing those stupid penalties and can channel his aggression a little better he can be a perennial pro bowler MLB in the mold of a Ray Lewis

A little?? ASU beats Stanford last year if Vontaze keeps his cool. He's a massive head case.

However, he and Miller on the same team might literally kill a qb someday.

epicSocialism4tw · 10-06-2011, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrant

A little?? ASU beats Stanford last year if Vontaze keeps his cool. He's a massive head case.

However, he and Miller on the same time might literally kill a qb someday.

I like that he's a bit of a head case. He plays like he's furious. He's like the real Bobby Bouchet.

Troy Polamalu was criticized in that exact same way at USC. Polamalu too is a really soft spoken guy who flips a switch and becomes the most violent player on the field between the whistles. This guy has that Polamalu mentality in the body of a freak MLB.

I havent been keeping up with draft scouting up to this point, but I can't imagine that he's much lower than 2 or 3 on most people's boards.

epicSocialism4tw · 10-06-2011, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Borks147

if we get him, it'd be a shame if Dawkins isnt around anymore - people would look back in awe that those two guys once played on the same team.

I'd love to see he and Dawkins flying at the LOS, just blowing people up.

UberBroncoMan · 10-07-2011, 02:25 AM

Nate Irving can't be happy about this.

On a side note. Tampa Bay has their 3rd round MLB starting for them. While I like Mays for his hits, he's not a long-term solution.

Ratboy · 10-07-2011, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

I'd love to see he and Dawkins flying at the LOS, just blowing people up.

Better than watching some receiver blow right by Dawkins.

SleepingTiger · 10-07-2011, 08:05 AM

What is more important to a run defense? A great MLB or a great NT/DT. Some of the best run defense in the league feature a great MLB.

goldengopher1976 · 10-07-2011, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

You wanna bring back the Orange Crush? Here it is:

This guy plus Von Miller? Fuggedabout it.

I'm not sure where he's projected in the draft, but he looks like the second-best prospect of 2012 to me. Watch him take excellent angles to the ball and just blow people up. This is a pure MLB who savors the nasty grit in the wash on rushing plays. He'll get in the gap and blow up an offensive lineman like he's a wide receiver.

I really can't think of another MLB I have seen in recent years who is this much of an old school jaw-buster who plays with this much passion.

Now, I dont get much Pac 10 football here and I have only seen him play a few times, so I don't know if he is consistently this good. Maybe some of you guys who catch him weekly can fill us in.

He's #11 on Kiper's "Big Board", who has this to say about Burfict:

Burfict has great instincts, makes plays sideline to sideline and is far more disciplined than he gets credit for. Has a ton of experience and will draw comparisons to many of the elite middle linebackers.

robbieopperude · 10-07-2011, 08:19 AM

I have been saying for a while this would be the ideal pick for Denver if we fall in that 5 to 10 drafting position. If we end up a little higher I would like to see Elway trade back out of the top 5 and take him. There isn't a DT ranked very highly currently and I don't like reaching on DT's in Round 1. Lets take Burfict and go DT in Round 2.

The other guys on my list are Kirkpatrick from Bama and Janoris Jenkins formerly of Florida if we finish around pick 10. We need to draft D all day this year unless Kalil or Martin are available with our first pick and Burfict is gone.

Houshyamama · 10-07-2011, 08:20 AM

As an ASU alum I've been watching him closely. Dude is just plain nasty. He's a man among boys out there, very similar to Terrell Suggs in that sense. You just know they're gonna succeed at the next level.

Killericon · 10-07-2011, 08:22 AM

I don't care where we pick...But I don't understand how anyone, ever, could think we should take anything other than a DT.

FFS, people, it's been forever.

bowtown · 10-07-2011, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan

Nate Irving can't be happy about this.

On a side note. Tampa Bay has their 3rd round MLB starting for them. While I like Mays for his hits, he's not a long-term solution.

Yeah I'm sure Irving super depressed about llama's thread on the Mane.

Rabb · 10-07-2011, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killericon

I don't care where we pick...But I don't understand how anyone, ever, could think we should take anything other than a DT.

FFS, people, it's been forever.

I don't think DT is even top 3 in our immediate needs department right now personally

phibacka31 · 10-07-2011, 08:33 AM

IMO he looks like a player the Ravens will droll over...
I wouldn't mind having some of that...

TheReverend · 10-07-2011, 08:37 AM

Burfict would be an amazing get and I've loved this guys progress this season as far as discipline and heady play are considered. I do still think it's a matter of time before he loses it and costs his team a game in penalties lol but even then, still a worthwhile top half selection for sure.

But him AND Miller? We'd be every bit as soft vs the pass as we are with Mays and Miller.

Besides, we're going with Luck

DENVERDUI55 · 10-07-2011, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

You wanna bring back the Orange Crush? Here it is:

This guy plus Von Miller? Fuggedabout it.

I'm not sure where he's projected in the draft, but he looks like the second-best prospect of 2012 to me. Watch him take excellent angles to the ball and just blow people up. This is a pure MLB who savors the nasty grit in the wash on rushing plays. He'll get in the gap and blow up an offensive lineman like he's a wide receiver.

I really can't think of another MLB I have seen in recent years who is this much of an old school jaw-buster who plays with this much passion.

Now, I dont get much Pac 10 football here and I have only seen him play a few times, so I don't know if he is consistently this good. Maybe some of you guys who catch him weekly can fill us in.

He won't be a good pro. He is Rey Malauga. His speed is questionable and misses a lot of tackles.

Powderaddict · 10-07-2011, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killericon

I don't care where we pick...But I don't understand how anyone, ever, could think we should take anything other than a DT.

FFS, people, it's been forever.

If there are no standout DT's but you have explosive difference makers, you have to go with the difference maker. Plus, I'd really like to see Bunk get an extension. He's been very good.

Drafting a player to high because you have a need is how you end up with guys like Jarvis Moss.

Inkana7 · 10-07-2011, 10:04 AM

Why would we take him over Andrew Luck at #1?

10-06-2011, 11:26 PM	#5
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	The Meanest Man in College Football: “For every great story you have about Vontaze,” says Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck, “another guy on another team will say he has one better.” “I know one thing,” says Oregon State coach Mike Riley. “Somebody is taking a blow every play (Burfict is) on the field.” From near academic casualty to a player former USC coach Pete Carroll whined about upon losing the recruiting battle to Arizona State, Burfict now is arguably the most gifted—and complicated—player in the game. "...the play against Washington in 2009, when Burfict shot the gap on a fly sweep, knocked the guard off his feet and made the tackle. During film study, coaches replayed the moment over and over in sheer disbelief. “I swear to God, he decleated a 325-pound guy,” Moos says. “You wouldn’t believe it if it wasn’t on film.” Or the play last year against Oregon, a game many NFL scouts say defines Burfict’s talent—which lies in his ability to chase and pursue from one side of the play to the other without giving up ground or explosive power—because the Ducks run read option plays where the quarterback reads the defensive tackle and directs the flow of the play away from his pursuit. Burfict shot the gap, knocking Oregon guard Carson York into the backfield and forcing Ducks quarterback Darron Thomas to commit to handing off to tailback LaMichael James. Burfict then tackled both York and James—460-plus pounds of player—at the same time for a 5-yard loss. “You’re thinking he can’t do that,” former Oregon center Jordan Holmes says, “and then he does it, and you’re left thinking, Holy cow.” Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-foo...#ixzz1a4hPraJE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This guy idolizes Dick Butkus and Ray Lewis. He's 6'3" 250 and hits like a ton of bricks. I don't think I have seen another player in college hit like this guy. There is so much power in his lean. He's going to make running backs pay in the NFL. Last edited by epicSocialism4tw; 10-06-2011 at 11:28 PM..

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10-06-2011, 11:07 PM	#1
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Vontaze for 2012 You wanna bring back the Orange Crush? Here it is: This guy plus Von Miller? Fuggedabout it. I'm not sure where he's projected in the draft, but he looks like the second-best prospect of 2012 to me. Watch him take excellent angles to the ball and just blow people up. This is a pure MLB who savors the nasty grit in the wash on rushing plays. He'll get in the gap and blow up an offensive lineman like he's a wide receiver. I really can't think of another MLB I have seen in recent years who is this much of an old school jaw-buster who plays with this much passion. Now, I dont get much Pac 10 football here and I have only seen him play a few times, so I don't know if he is consistently this good. Maybe some of you guys who catch him weekly can fill us in.

10-06-2011, 11:10 PM	#2
BroncoMan4ever Ring of Famer Here to chew bubblegum and kick ass Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 11,575 Adopt-a-Bronco: VIRGIL GREEN!!!	he is good but plays a little out of control sometimes. gets a good amount of stupid penalties as well. if he can avoid being taunted into committing those stupid penalties and can channel his aggression a little better he can be a perennial pro bowler MLB in the mold of a Ray Lewis which would be awesome in Denver. his addition would undoubtedly make DJ the weak link in the LB corps.

10-06-2011, 11:34 PM	#6
Borks147 the dude abides... Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hanover NH Posts: 1,845	if we get him, it'd be a shame if Dawkins isnt around anymore - people would look back in awe that those two guys once played on the same team.

10-06-2011, 11:41 PM	#7
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,786	Seems like a long time since there was a legit #1 MLB coming out. I'd love this kind of a pick.

10-06-2011, 11:42 PM	#8
Shananahan Ring of Famer Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,287	I read he might make a run at the Heisman.

10-07-2011, 02:25 AM	#12
UberBroncoMan Your Local Nostradamus 2013... the year of Sci-Fi! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,528 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	Nate Irving can't be happy about this. On a side note. Tampa Bay has their 3rd round MLB starting for them. While I like Mays for his hits, he's not a long-term solution.

10-07-2011, 08:05 AM	#14
SleepingTiger Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Murphy TX Posts: 1,161	What is more important to a run defense? A great MLB or a great NT/DT. Some of the best run defense in the league feature a great MLB.

10-07-2011, 08:19 AM	#16
robbieopperude Perennial Pro-bowler Shannon to Canton! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 766 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I have been saying for a while this would be the ideal pick for Denver if we fall in that 5 to 10 drafting position. If we end up a little higher I would like to see Elway trade back out of the top 5 and take him. There isn't a DT ranked very highly currently and I don't like reaching on DT's in Round 1. Lets take Burfict and go DT in Round 2. The other guys on my list are Kirkpatrick from Bama and Janoris Jenkins formerly of Florida if we finish around pick 10. We need to draft D all day this year unless Kalil or Martin are available with our first pick and Burfict is gone.

10-07-2011, 08:20 AM	#17
Houshyamama I Make The Weather Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,868 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brock Osweiler	As an ASU alum I've been watching him closely. Dude is just plain nasty. He's a man among boys out there, very similar to Terrell Suggs in that sense. You just know they're gonna succeed at the next level.

10-07-2011, 08:22 AM	#18
Killericon YES A DT!!!!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: From Calgary, in Halifax for School Posts: 7,730 Adopt-a-Bronco: watermock	I don't care where we pick...But I don't understand how anyone, ever, could think we should take anything other than a DT. FFS, people, it's been forever.

10-07-2011, 08:33 AM	#21
phibacka31 Perennial Pro-bowler Nasty Nate Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manchester, IA Posts: 986 Adopt-a-Bronco: Nate Irving	IMO he looks like a player the Ravens will droll over... I wouldn't mind having some of that...

10-07-2011, 08:37 AM	#22
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ buy this... twice Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 33,020 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	Burfict would be an amazing get and I've loved this guys progress this season as far as discipline and heady play are considered. I do still think it's a matter of time before he loses it and costs his team a game in penalties lol but even then, still a worthwhile top half selection for sure. But him AND Miller? We'd be every bit as soft vs the pass as we are with Mays and Miller. Besides, we're going with Luck

10-07-2011, 10:04 AM	#25
Inkana7 Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,232 Adopt-a-Bronco: Derek Wolfe	Why would we take him over Andrew Luck at #1?