We are the 99 Percent

[Rohirrim]

I don't know what people expect, sometimes. There is no perfect system. Until you devise the perfect man, you will not have the perfect system. You can design government to oversee abuses in the market, but you must also guard against abuses in government. This is the endless problem. Greed, avarice and corruption are sins of man, not of corporations and governments. The republic set up by the founders required two components, good laws and a vigilant, involved populace.

People have tried many forms of ideological governments from socialism to fascism where their hope is that the perfect system will take care of everything. Germans threw flowers at Hitler proclaiming him the new hope of a new Germany. They cast down the Weimar Republic and the new system was going to be perfect (Germans have this weird predilection for systems). This is the kind of delusion the libertarians suffer under. Systems don't work.

We created a government to serve the general welfare of all of the people (that's what it says in the Preamble), but the greedy, the avaricious, the corrupt, constantly work to manipulate that government to benefit themselves, and only themselves. We need systemic change right now to respond to an orgy of greed that has destroyed the world's economy, but the basis of that change will be a new set of laws and a renewed vigilance by the people.

Obviously, we've got to get the moneyed influence out of government first. Then, we have to rein in the excesses of Wall Street and the banks. We have to audit and rewrite the charter of the Fed, or end it completely as the case might be (of course it might be easier to control the greed and corruption in one entity than it would be in the hundreds that would replace it). We have to return the influence of the people to power over government. It might be best to think of dissolving the parties to do so, which could broaden the democratic input from the people.

We need to realize that one of the components of the new, global corporatism is a weakening of national identity (for every nation) and a leveling of the standard of living across the board, while even more wealth is funneled toward even fewer at the top. If such a thing is our destiny, the American people should have a voice in the decision, and not simply have this system imposed on them without a vote, which is what is happening now. The new lesson is that economic forces can now become powerful enough to sweep governments aside. Is that the world we want to live in? Where we can protest all we want but our voices mean nothing because our governments have no power over global economic interests? That's why the people in Greece are marching in the streets. The new system, imposed on them from outside, no longer allows them to control their own fate.

But whatever we do, we should be aware that the morning after that dawning of that glorious day when we have reformed our country and restored our house to order, there will some greedy little ahole in some ****hole somewhere thinking, "How can I get around all these laws to seize wealth and power for myself?" That's the disease of mankind.

Don't believe in systems. Believe in the people.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This is 100% a staged event. Union bosses have been talking about this for awhile.

There was a big story that came out about this several months ago where Stephen Lerner of SEIU was recorded in a strategy meeting talking about this plan for economic terrorism. And now you see the same funded players...SEIU, other unions, MoveOn.org, etc.

You all were told this was coming and who the planners were.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Interestingly, the 99th percentile of Americans by income starts at almost $600,000 in annual earnings. Ironically, that INCLUDES the majority of bankers working on Wall Street. And yet if one of those people showed up, they'd be gang tackled and immasculated. This is a farce, but worse than that, it's an incoherent, lazy, and unprincipled clusterfark.

If you're against corporate welfare and cronyisim, maybe you fools should occupy the White House--or the Solyndra plant now that it's vacant. Inconsistency of your cause only makes you look like whiners without an argument rather than protesters with a moral cause.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

This is 100% a staged event. Union bosses have been talking about this for awhile.

There was a big story that came out about this several months ago where Stephen Lerner of SEIU was recorded in a strategy meeting talking about this plan for economic terrorism. And now you see the same funded players...SEIU, other unions, MoveOn.org, etc.

You all were told this was coming and who the planners were.

Whatever. I only hope it keeps growing until all of the bloodsuckers are eliminated.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Whatever. I only hope it keeps growing until all of the bloodsuckers are eliminated.

It will grow among the violent and deranged and it will be rightfully put down.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

It will grow among the violent and deranged and it will be rightfully put down.

You sound just like those Wall Street thieves who destroyed our country and are now standing on the balconies above the protests, laughing and sipping champagne. Let them eat cake.

Of course, we all are well aware of the cry of the rightard, "Corporations over country!" Nice club you've joined.

[Rigs11]

gotta love it.the tea party that are going after the middle class and poor are patriots.But the protesters going after wall street are communists.nice logic there drama

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

You sound just like those Wall Street thieves who destroyed our country and are now standing on the balconies above the protests, laughing and sipping champagne. Let them eat cake.

Of course, we all are well aware of the cry of the rightard, "Corporations over country!" Nice club you've joined.

You hypocrites.

You scoured the Tea Party for anything to criticize, found nothing, and now you ignore the same things surfacing all over the place in this increasingly violent, racist, astroturf mob you looked for to criticize the Tea Party with.

This is why nobody trusts you lefties anymore. You have no values. Its just whatever promotes the cause is acceptable.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

You hypocrites.

You scoured the Tea Party for anything to criticize, found nothing, and now you ignore the same things surfacing all over the place in this increasingly violent, racist, astroturf mob you looked for to criticize the Tea Party with.

This is why nobody trusts you lefties anymore. You have no values. Its just whatever promotes the cause is acceptable.

The tea party was a corporate stooge. Now you get to see what real protest looks like.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

We Are the 99 Percent

America's leftist uprising

By Carl Gibson

In Les Confessions, Rousseau wrote, "Finally I recalled the stopgap solution of a great princess who was told that the peasants had no bread, and who responded: 'Let them eat cake.'" This 1782 quote has become the iconic slogan of class oppression by the ruling elite. While the right cries class war at the proposal of taxing millionaires at a slightly higher rate, the richest 1% continue to wage war against the other 99% of us with powerful corporate, financial and lobbying connections.

Class war is being waged daily - foreclosure fraud, wanton oil speculation, a student-loan bubble fit to burst. The same corporate moguls who have bankrolled the campaigns of Tea Party candidates promising deregulation and lower taxes have been recently highlighted for illegally trading with hostile nations, falsifying documents, and knowingly operating equipment that has killed children. A trader nonchalantly mentioned on BBC that he dreams every night of another recession, so he can profit more from a market crash. The evidence of class warfare is everywhere. Our current system has been carefully designed so the 1% will benefit from the efforts and toil of the 99%.

If you saw Jon Stewart's most recent bout with Bill O'Reilly, even the FOX commentator agrees that Wall Street speculators aren't paying their fair share and should be held accountable. Even lifetime registered Republican, corporate CEO and tax preparer Henry Bloch admits that wealth and tax burdens for the rich and poor are extremely unequal in the United States. Even billionaire Tea Party financier Charles Koch admits that Social Security and Medicare are wonderful programs worth paying taxes for and using to the fullest, despite his brother running a vice-presidential platform of eliminating those programs 30 years ago.

In protest of the greedy practices that wrecked our economy, thousands of people have occupied the nerve center of the world's financial system since September 17, calling themselves "The 99 Percent," and have grown to roughly 6,000 since. The police brutality recently on display in New York's financial district was reminiscent of Cairo. A police officer kneeled on the neck of a man holding an American flag. NYPD Lt. Anthony Bologna pepper-sprayed a group of women cordoned off on a sidewalk, disappeared into the crowd, and made more unprovoked attacks on another part of the crowd. One nonviolent protester was openly beaten in the street. While protesters were expressing their first amendment rights and experiencing brutal treatment by the police, Wall Street banksters lounged on the balconies above, sipping champagne. The wealthy, powerful elite mocking the impoverished masses protesting below. And JPMorgan & Chase bank just made a $4.6 million donation to the NYPD, presumably so they can continue to protect and serve the traders and hedge fund managers. 0 bankers who purposefully wrecked the livelihoods of millions have been arrested, yet over 1,000 ordinary people have been arrested speaking out about it. A Hollywood screenwriter couldn't have set the scene any better.

Yet, despite such a populist message and stalwart resistance from the left, mainstream media sources have only given the occupation a passing glance. While thousands were kettled on both ends of Brooklyn Bridge this weekend after shutting down the NYPD headquarters, New York Times Financial Columnist Andrew Ross Sorkin mocked their numbers, referring to "all 80 of them." This comes on the heels of a particularly snooty column by the Times' Gina Bellefante. The main criticism of the media has been the movement's supposed lack of organization and/or central message, and the supposed stereotypical images of the protests. Even Mother Jones harped on the occupation's "dirty hippie" theme. Yet, the occupation has grown incredibly diverse, bringing in pilots, marines, and 100 NYPD officers boycotting in solidarity with the protesters. But the only real response from New York's flagship paper has been dismal coverage and the bemoaning of a supposed lack of leftist demonstrations.

The American Left has been standing up and fighting all year. From the collective bargaining marches and recall efforts in Wisconsin and other states in February, to The Yes Men/US Uncut's prank on GE and subsequent weekend of actions in over 100 cities on tax day weekend, to liberal bird-dogging of Congressional Republicans during the August Recess, to 1,253 activists arrested to stop the Keystone XL pipeline, to the Occupy Wall Street movement and the dozens of similar occupation campaigns happening nationwide, the leftist uprising sweeping North Africa and Europe has reached America. Corporate-owned media can black it out and mock it all they want, but they're only delaying the inevitable. Dr. Cornel West said it best in a recent speech to the occupiers:

"... Because when you bring folk together, of all colors, of all cultures, of all genders, of all sexual orientations, the elite will tremble in their boots."

Ordinary Americans, the other 99%, realize that the corporate takeover of our democracy will only worsen until we come together and demand new, sustainable economies and political structures incorruptible by the influence of lobbying and corporate money. That's what's driving the occupytogether.org movement. And that's a demand that any reasonable member of the 99% can agree on.

sorry, not buying it. I'm all for peaceful protests on Wall Street and in DC due to the current economy. But it's always been the call of socialist to wage class warfare to topple the oppressive rich.

it's a tried and failed system. Communism does not work. Socialism does not work. Please see how the Chinese have shifted farther away from socialism towards capitalism than the USA has come from shifting from capitalism to socialism.

Fact is, I do not support class warfare that promotes the welfare state. I do believe in justice. I do believe that marching on Wall Street is a good idea. However, I also believe it must be done within the laws, and completely peacefully.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I don't know what people expect, sometimes. There is no perfect system. Until you devise the perfect man, you will not have the perfect system. You can design government to oversee abuses in the market, but you must also guard against abuses in government. This is the endless problem. Greed, avarice and corruption are sins of man, not of corporations and governments. The republic set up by the founders required two components, good laws and a vigilant, involved populace.

People have tried many forms of ideological governments from socialism to fascism where their hope is that the perfect system will take care of everything. Germans threw flowers at Hitler proclaiming him the new hope of a new Germany. They cast down the Weimar Republic and the new system was going to be perfect (Germans have this weird predilection for systems). This is the kind of delusion the libertarians suffer under. Systems don't work.

We created a government to serve the general welfare of all of the people (that's what it says in the Preamble), but the greedy, the avaricious, the corrupt, constantly work to manipulate that government to benefit themselves, and only themselves. We need systemic change right now to respond to an orgy of greed that has destroyed the world's economy, but the basis of that change will be a new set of laws and a renewed vigilance by the people.

Obviously, we've got to get the moneyed influence out of government first. Then, we have to rein in the excesses of Wall Street and the banks. We have to audit and rewrite the charter of the Fed, or end it completely as the case might be (of course it might be easier to control the greed and corruption in one entity than it would be in the hundreds that would replace it). We have to return the influence of the people to power over government. It might be best to think of dissolving the parties to do so, which could broaden the democratic input from the people.

We need to realize that one of the components of the new, global corporatism is a weakening of national identity (for every nation) and a leveling of the standard of living across the board, while even more wealth is funneled toward even fewer at the top. If such a thing is our destiny, the American people should have a voice in the decision, and not simply have this system imposed on them without a vote, which is what is happening now. The new lesson is that economic forces can now become powerful enough to sweep governments aside. Is that the world we want to live in? Where we can protest all we want but our voices mean nothing because our governments have no power over global economic interests? That's why the people in Greece are marching in the streets. The new system, imposed on them from outside, no longer allows them to control their own fate.

But whatever we do, we should be aware that the morning after that dawning of that glorious day when we have reformed our country and restored our house to order, there will some greedy little ahole in some ****hole somewhere thinking, "How can I get around all these laws to seize wealth and power for myself?" That's the disease of mankind.

Don't believe in systems. Believe in the people.

I believe in the people Ro~, that's why i'm investing in the areas i'm investing in.

Look, you and I obviously share some common ground for our distastes on what is happening. I myself, just go more granular and treat every $ I spend, as an investment. I spend on goods, as closely as I can on things made in the USA. I buy as much local as I can as well (even globally - I choose to buy from artisans, etc).

I am removing my support from most of the egregious violators of what's best for this country.

Finding out how the people I do business with, does business has been an important revelation to me.

One thing I have noticed is how "free market" has been co-opted and really means "private market". It's pretty sick how most of the people parroting this, don't even understand that they are pushing the ideology of "non-competition" and only "exclusive & private markets". These are the same people who claim "communism" - yet they support the mechanisms for communism.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The tea party was a corporate stooge. Now you get to see what real protest looks like.

can you prove this with real objective evidence, not some leftest blog?

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

can you prove this with real objective evidence, not some leftest blog?

August 30, 2010 issue of The New Yorker magazine, author Jane Mayer:
The anti-government fervor infusing the 2010 elections represents a political triumph for the Kochs. By giving money to “educate,” fund, and organize Tea Party protesters, they have helped turn their private agenda into a mass movement. Bruce Bartlett, a conservative economist and a historian, who once worked at the National Center for Policy Analysis, a Dallas-based think tank that the Kochs fund, said, “The problem with the whole libertarian movement is that it’s been all chiefs and no Indians. There haven’t been any actual people, like voters, who give a crap about it. So the problem for the Kochs has been trying to create a movement.” With the emergence of the Tea Party, he said, “everyone suddenly sees that for the first time there are Indians out there—people who can provide real ideological power.” The Kochs, he said, are “trying to shape and control and channel the populist uprising into their own policies.[1]

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

can you prove this with real objective evidence, not some leftest blog?

No, she can't.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

can you prove this with real objective evidence, not some leftest blog?

I've been to several Tea Parties, and after finding out there were "several" Tea Parties, i started digging. One day Michael Savage stated there were the same, "several tea parties" - So I started digging:

it's true:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Par...hip_and_groups

Leadership and groups

An October 2010 Washington Post canvass of 647 local Tea Party organizers asked "which national figure best represents your groups?" and got the following responses: no one 34%, Sarah Palin 14%, Glenn Beck 7%, Jim DeMint 6%, Ron Paul 6%, Michele Bachmann 4%.[23]

The success of candidates popular within the Tea Party movement has boosted Sarah Palin's visibility.[101] Rasmussen and Schoen (2010) conclude that "She is the symbolic leader of the movement, and more than anyone else has helped to shape it."[102]

The movement has been supported nationally by prominent individuals and organizations,[103][104] including:

501(c)(4) Non-Profit Organizations:

Tea Party Patriots, an organization with more than 1,000 affiliated groups across the nation[105] that proclaims itself to be the "Official Home of the Tea Party Movement.[106]
Americans for Prosperity, an organization founded by David H. Koch in 2003, and led by Tim Phillips. The group has over 1 million members in 500 local affiliates, and led protests against health care reform in 2009.[103]
FreedomWorks, an organization led Dick Armey. Like Americans for Prosperity, the group has over 1 million members in 500 local affiliates. It makes local and national candidate endorsements.[103]
Tea Party Express, a national bus tour run by Our Country Deserves Better PAC, itself a conservative political action committee created by Sacramento-based Republican consulting firm Russo, Marsh, and Associates.[107][108][109][110]

For-Profit Businesses:

Tea Party Nation, which sponsored the National Tea Party Convention that was criticized for its $549 ticket price.[111][112][113][114] and because Sarah Palin was apparently paid $100,000 USD for her appearance (which she put towards SarahPAC[115]).[116]

Informal Organizations and Coalitions:

The National Tea Party Federation, formed on April 8, 2010, by several leaders in the Tea Party movement to help spread its message and to respond to critics with a quick, unified response.[117]
The Nationwide Tea Party Coalition, a loose national coalition of several dozen local tea party groups.

Prominent Individuals:

In July 2010, Representative Michele Bachmann, a Minnesota Republican, formed the House congressional Tea Party Caucus. This congressional caucus, which Bachmann chairs, is devoted to the Tea Party's stated principles of "fiscal responsibility, adherence to the Constitution, and limited government".[118] As of March 31,2011, the caucus consisted of 62 Republican representatives.[119] Jason Chaffetz and Melissa Clouthier have accused them of trying to hijack or co-opt the grassroots Tea Party Movement.[120]


Koch Industry influence
Main article: Political activities of the Koch family

In an August 30, 2010, article in The New Yorker, Jane Mayer said that the billionaire brothers David H. Koch and Charles G. Koch and Koch Industries are providing financial and organizational support to the Tea Party movement through Americans for Prosperity, which David founded.[127][128] The AFP's "Hot Air Tour" was organized to fight against taxes on carbon use and the activation of a cap and trade program.[129] In 1984, David Koch also founded Citizens for a Sound Economy,[130] part of which became FreedomWorks in a 2004 split,[undue weight?] another group that organized and supports the movement.[131] Koch Industries issued a press release stating that the Kochs have "no ties to and have never given money to FreedomWorks".[132] Former ambassador Christopher Meyer writes in the Daily Mail that the Tea Party movement is a mix of "grassroots populism, professional conservative politics, and big money", the last supplied in part by Charles and David Koch.[133] Jane Mayer says that the Koch brothers' political involvement with the Tea Party has been so secretive that she labels it "covert".[134]



I'm not here to pick on the Koch's - but it does illustrate the co-opted nature of the party. Look at how Clear-Channel's been involved in organizing them as well.

[Meck77]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I don't know what people expect, sometimes. .

I don't either. Some people have the personal ability to make the best of a situation while others do not. Some rely on government to support them others do not. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Obama, the next president. It really doesn't matter. We all are in charge of our destiny. Our system isn't perfect but as much as b****ing goes on this forum 99.9% of you CHOOSE to live in America including Gaffo.

[Smiling Assassin27]

We are the 99 percent:

Several influential New York state lawmakers have received threatening mails saying it is “time to kill the wealthy” if they don’t renew the state’s tax surcharge on millionaires, according to reports.

“It’s time to tax the millionaires!” reads the email, according to WTEN in Albany. “If you don’t, I’m going to pay a visit with my carbine to one of those tech companies you are so proud of and shoot every spoiled Ivy League [expletive] I can find.”

“How hard is it for us to stake out one of the obvious access roads to some tech company, tail an employee home and toss a liquor bottle full of flaming gasoline through their nice picture window into their cute house,” wrote the author of the email.

The email references terminology that has been used in the “Occupy Wall Street” movement — that the 1 percent, the super rich, are exploiting the remaining 99 percent of Americans. The angry message demanded that Albany politicians “stop shoveling wealth from the lower 99 percent into the top 1 percent” and “set aside your ‘no new taxes on anybody’ pledge.”

We are the 99 percent.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Meck77

I don't either. Some people have the personal ability to make the best of a situation while others do not. Some rely on government to support them others do not. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Obama, the next president. It really doesn't matter. We all are in charge of our destiny. Our system isn't perfect but as much as b****ing goes on this forum 99.9% of you CHOOSE to live in America including Gaffo.

Love it or leave it, eh?

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

We are the 99 percent:

That's not a dishonest representation at all...

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

We are the 99 percent:





We are the 99 percent.

Violent leftists.

They're coming.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

Violent leftists.

They're coming.

Maybe you should build a bunker? Fill it with diapers and pacifiers?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Maybe you should build a bunker? Fill it with diapers and pacifiers?

No bunker needed.

I live in Texas. We are given the right to defend ourselves with force here.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

No bunker needed.

I live in Texas. We are given the right to defend ourselves with force here.

I doubt you'll get far with just hysterical slap fight skills.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I doubt you'll get far with just hysterical slap fight skills.

It is what saved him and the youngling from the drive-by shooting they were in.

[baja]

It's the globalists dummy

They control your;

money

food

water rights

medicine

thoughts

media

civil rights

your mind.....