OrangeMane Podcast - Episode 8 - @ Green Bay

[GreatBronco16]

I think this was the best one yet. You need to keep Rev in there. I loved his takes and how he kept it real. All and all a great podcast.

However, the opening was kinda lame IMO. The music went way to long after you started talking.

[Powderaddict]

Originally Posted by GreatBronco16

I think this was the best one yet. You need to keep Rev in there. I loved his takes and how he kept it real. All and all a great podcast.

However, the opening was kinda lame IMO. The music went way to long after you started talking.

You have to admit the opening hotline call at the very beginning was EPIC

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by GreatBronco16

I think this was the best one yet. You need to keep Rev in there. I loved his takes and how he kept it real. All and all a great podcast.

However, the opening was kinda lame IMO. The music went way to long after you started talking.

Wow thanks man.

I have a much more critical view of "how I did", but I certainly had a lot of fun doing it.

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[GreatBronco16]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Wow thanks man.

I have a much more critical view of "how I did", but I certainly had a lot of fun doing it.

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I just mean you could have went with the same song and dance optimistic look at things, but you kept to your colors that you show here. It was obvious that you had a lot more you could have critique about, but seemed like you held back.

You also had a good on air voice. Was easy to understand you.



And TJ, you are getting much better with the uhhhs and ummms. I can tell you are still fighting through it though.

This was just a great podcast.

[GreatBronco16]

Originally Posted by Powderaddict

You have to admit the opening hotline call at the very beginning was EPIC

Was that you? If so, then yes it was EPIC!!!

[Requiem]

I want SoCal's autograph!

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by TheDave

At this point I would completely disagree with the characterization that our entire FO including ownership and the CFO are a bunch of clowns pocketing all the money while screwing over the fans. What I heard made me think the group was already on the level of a Matt Millen regime with a little al davis thrown in.

I don't think that is the case... at all.

I think people are forgetting the mess this team was in when the season ended in january... Followed by lockout / followed by a truncated FA period camp schedule etc. Point is the deck is completely stacked against them this season. I think they have done an acceptable job so far and deserve more time to enact their "plan".

Let me give a quick example. Several years ago a former friend tried to rip me off through a business we co-owned. Long story short... I removed him from the business and walked head first into a **** storm not unlike the 2010 Broncos. Now I would love to tell you that I walked in made every correct decision and turned everything around in a matter of 6 months. Unfortunately life does not work that way... I didn't make every correct decision and it took a hell of a lot longer than 6 months to fix the mess my personal McDaniel's created... Point is we are jumping the gun, and it is way too early to characterize them as a bunch of incompetent thief's.

By this point in the McD regime we had traded our QB, blown the entire draft, suspended our WR, and were in the process of giving the all screen offense a go... A resounding WTF had been earned.


Now don't get too defensive Rev... I think everyone did a good job. I just think the tone was more helpless than it should be at this point.

I dont listen to these and this is one of the reasons why. Mike is allowed to talk. He has not been an objective fan since Shanahan got rightfully fired. He hates everything about the Broncos starting with Bowlen and Im sure he hates Elway now too.

Having him on there discredits the whole thing for me despite my desire to want to listen to guys like Kaylore and Rev talk.

Nothing...NOTHING will ever be good enough. Mike is of that instant gratification generation. This team has about 6 NFL starting players, and 18 or so quality backups. Its going to take years to undue the mess of ****ty (Defensive) drafts from the two prior regimes. Add to the fact that McDaniels traded away most of the good ****ing offensive talent (sans Cutler, **** that douchenozzle Im glad he's gone), and we have a LOT of work to do.

THere shouldnt be any bright sides section but to summarily categorize everything about the team from the Owner on down to the waterboy as crap is ludicrous and emotional drivel that's not worth listening to.

[Popps]

Alec,

I think you'd be surprised with SoCal's demeanor on the podcasts. He tries to play it as professionally as he can, and seems to save his more radical views for the forum. By that I mean, he seems to try to look at it more as an objective fan... than one with an agenda. Again, Taco picked a good trio to do this thing. (Given, I only heard last week and the prior week's shows.)

[broncosteven]

Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

I dont listen to these and this is one of the reasons why. Mike is allowed to talk. He has not been an objective fan since Shanahan got rightfully fired. He hates everything about the Broncos starting with Bowlen and Im sure he hates Elway now too.

Having him on there discredits the whole thing for me despite my desire to want to listen to guys like Kaylore and Rev talk.

Nothing...NOTHING will ever be good enough. Mike is of that instant gratification generation. This team has about 6 NFL starting players, and 18 or so quality backups. Its going to take years to undue the mess of ****ty (Defensive) drafts from the two prior regimes. Add to the fact that McDaniels traded away most of the good ****ing offensive talent (sans Cutler, **** that douchenozzle Im glad he's gone), and we have a LOT of work to do.

THere shouldnt be any bright sides section but to summarily categorize everything about the team from the Owner on down to the waterboy as crap is ludicrous and emotional drivel that's not worth listening to.

You should give the podcasts a chance, they are very refreshing and their takes are one of the reasons I came here in the 1st place.

They are talking Bronco football.

[strafen]

Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

I dont listen to these and this is one of the reasons why. Mike is allowed to talk. He has not been an objective fan since Shanahan got rightfully fired. He hates everything about the Broncos starting with Bowlen and Im sure he hates Elway now too.

Having him on there discredits the whole thing for me despite my desire to want to listen to guys like Kaylore and Rev talk.

Nothing...NOTHING will ever be good enough. Mike is of that instant gratification generation. This team has about 6 NFL starting players, and 18 or so quality backups. Its going to take years to undue the mess of ****ty (Defensive) drafts from the two prior regimes. Add to the fact that McDaniels traded away most of the good ****ing offensive talent (sans Cutler, **** that douchenozzle Im glad he's gone), and we have a LOT of work to do.

THere shouldnt be any bright sides section but to summarily categorize everything about the team from the Owner on down to the waterboy as crap is ludicrous and emotional drivel that's not worth listening to.

You're right, you haven't listened.
I'm sure if you did, that your personal takes on these guys will change.
I have come to appreciate the contributions of these guys even more now since I've been listening to the podcasts.
I like Rev, probably just as much as he likes me , and the same with Kaylore, but my attitude towards them is different now.
They all were great, and of course the rest of the panel, Raj, Taco, Mike, etc...

There was a lot of Bronco stuff I wanted to hear. They all did a great job.

[NFLBRONCO]

Props to TJ and the Panel I enjoyed padcasts thanks for doing them.

[Dagmar]

So SoCal is Mike? Learn something new every day.

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

Very impressive guys. I feel between all of you, the opinions definitely represent the stances of most fans, including myself.

To me, this is the best Bronco discussion going right now.

[broncosteven]

Originally Posted by Dagmar

So SoCal is Mike? Learn something new every day.

Be like Mike!

BTW FYI my 1st name is Steven, my friends call me Steve but you can call me Steven!

[broncosteven]

Originally Posted by GreatBronco16

I think this was the best one yet. You need to keep Rev in there. I loved his takes and how he kept it real. All and all a great podcast.

However, the opening was kinda lame IMO. The music went way to long after you started talking.

TJ had the right Idea having someone do a voice over Intro but the bumper music was on the right idea/plane but the music was lame.

DEATHSicle will have to throw something together over the weekend and call up some options for Taco to pick from.

He had the right idea of talking over the bumper music while bringing the volume slowly so there was an even transition from Intro to the start of the Podcast.

I thought it was well done and the production values have increased every week.

If they could all pop for a $100-150 USB Blue Yeti Pro mic the sound quality would be much better.

[strafen]

Originally Posted by broncosteven

Be like Mike!

BTW FYI my 1st name is Steven, my friends call me Steve but you can call me Steven!

[montrose]

Originally Posted by Requiem

So how many people are following Raj on Twitter?

Not enough baby!

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Unfortunately I have to agree the tone was overly negative for my taste.

I was thinking about this earlier. First and foremost, I need to remind myself the vast difference in audience between terrestrial radio and podcasting for a fan forum, the sophistication is just on another level. With that, I'd classify "bad radio" as hosts specifically trying to elicit an emotion from their listeners by picking on a game, player, coach, etc. In this instance, a large-picture issue of the state of the organization and its structure came about naturally without pre-planning (which generally makes for the best conversation) and their were some legitimate concerns brought up that were supported by anecdotes and examples. In addition, it was on a topic rarely if ever discussed on main-stream formats so I found it fresh and unique for one show. I suppose a natural follow-up could be a rebuttal (from you maybe?) on why the organization IS (or may be) moving in the right direction, why the structure IS (or may be) appropriate to rebuild the franchise, etc.

Originally Posted by broncosteven

Montrose is going to be a Star

Thanks broski!

Originally Posted by Kaylore

I was surprised Raj brought Shanny up more than the three of you combined.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't bring it up because the other three co-hosts are massive fans of Shanny - it was obviously something everybody on this site knows and considering how much the landscape has changed I thought it was appropriate to bring up in those situations to get their take on him - especially considering the "big picture" undertone that this show took opposed to the recap last week's game and get ready for this week's contest feel we've had the last few weeks.

With that, I've certainly noticed a paradigm shift on my behalf, overally I'm as emotionally uninvested to the team as any time in the last 15 years - despite the fact I spend more time around it than ever. There are a few reasons for that: the obvious one being the professional change my life as undertaken but also there's the factors of getting older, life re-priortization, etc. As I look back on my feelings in 2008/2009 I realize so much of what I believed and the way I interpreted those feelings was based on heavy emotion. As I stand back now and look at other team's decisions (in all sports) without that connection I realize that making rash decisions based on that emotion may not be for the best.

For example, a co-worker of mine who is a Red Sox fan was so charged up after their collapse he championed the exit of Terry Francona and I could only equate that to the way I felt in 2008 after the collapse here in Denver. Now while I would disagree with Taco that I remain unsold that the foundation here was on its way to greatness, I can clearly say that logically it made more sense to continue moving in that direction based on the evidence at that time. I was clouded by emotion, and suddenly the emotion took over my logic and I was happy about the change and rallied with belief around the new one despite the fact I was relatively content with it until about mid-way through 2008 and only after the firing began to self-justify why this was a wise move.

Obviously my emotionally-charged logic has been proven wrong and again while I'm not sold in the least the Broncos were on their way to competing for another Super Bowl, it certainly would've made more logical sense at the minimum to wait a few more days if not weeks before making any decision, putting more thought and structure to any potential change if it were to happen and finally considering the long-range financial and structural impact of making these massive moves so close to a pending NFL lockout and shift in the league's structure.

Obviously it's easy now as a Monday Morning QB, but I can now look at that instance and think to myself that if I could go back in time and advise Joe Ellis on what to do - I'd say, "It's not the greatest time, give him one more year to see the improvement but maybe put a little heat on him." If the 2009 season had shown little change or even a step back - it would've made more sense in a lot of ways. And there's always the chance (some, but not me, would argue inevitiability) that they would've made massive improvements in scoring offense, eliminating turnovers and overall defense - putting the franchise on the door steps of competing for another Super Bowl.

I'd say my line of thought has shifted quite a bit there as I become less of a fan each day and more of a story-teller/observer. In a way it's sad because this is what I've always wanted to do - and now I'm doing it - but you realize how it it's not as much "fun" as you'd think covering a football team would be. Then a wait a minute and think about all the ****ty jobs I and others have had and realize that giving up "fanhood" is well worth getting paid to bull**** about sports all day for a living.

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Btw, for Montrose, you asked me a question specifically last night and I was really so dumbfounded about it I couldn't put it into the appropriate words, but I think this might.

Regarding when you were comparing Champ to Harris and Lloyd to Willis about "best chance to win" and the gap between them and contrasting it with Orton and Tebow and the gap between them potentially being even bigger:

Who's more talented, Champ or Harris?

Who's more talented, Lloyd or Willis?

Who's more talented, Orton or Tebow?

...and the gap between them might be bigger than the other spots.

That's awesome. I desperately, desperately wish you could call into some Denver-sports stations. I'd venture to say 75%-plus of the talent in town either directly says or at least implies that anyone thinking Tebow could actually play at the NFL is a moronic fan that doesn't understand football and unfortantly, the majority of callers come across that way and those that don't get so angry and abrasive they're cut off quickly and dropped. These shows need to hear from a fan with a greater football IQ than them who can control his emotions and eliquently explain why Tebow not only could play but is a better option than Orton.

[24champ]

Originally Posted by broncosteven

Be like Mike!

BTW FYI my 1st name is Steven, my friends call me Steve but you can call me Steven!

Thought you were going to legally change your name to Gene?

[broncosteven]

Originally Posted by 24champ

Thought you were going to legally change your name to Gene?

Those are shoes that will never be filled again. I would like a better username here but never got around to changing it...

[Schism]

Listened today, really enjoyed it, great stuff.

Don't agree with the people saying it was overly negative, thought it managed to remain upbeat and fun and didn't seem like a b****fest to me. Hard to be massively positive about this team right now, and if you guys are frustrated about or don't like things then you should say it... isn't that the point of a discussion?

Rev did a good job on his debut too, some nice analysis on the two huge pass plays we gave up, nice job man.

Looking forward to next week's show.

[DrFate]

Originally Posted by jhns

One mic just sounds muffled and the volume on each mic was vastly different.

SoCal sounds muffled. (and I like to hear what he has to say )

I enjoyed the podcast!

[Chris]

I have to say I really appreciate when observations are coupled with informed opinion. I think that's what separates the Kaylores from the other guys on the forum - he notices things most people don't and he justifies his takes. If it becomes pure opinion where guys just rattle off without justification I see less value in it.

I'll repeat my offer to contact the IAOFM guys (run by a friend) and get some guests on here that exist outside our "ecosystem". Could be very interesting.

[Kaylore]

I think you're right, Montrose. I think we just needed a dissenting opinion to balance things out. TheRev had a lot to share but didn't have time to share it.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

I think you're right, Montrose. I think we just needed a dissenting opinion to balance things out. TheRev had a lot to share but didn't have time to share it.

I still get that, but no one has yet to say anything they would've dissented about!

You mentioned the lemonade stand example, but that was clear hyperbole leading into SoCal's actual point.

[Chris]

As regards the Shanahan firing and what to do / what wasn't done... I'd have stripped the guy of any personnel control. Have any owners ever retained coaches while removing some of their responsibility?