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Old 09-25-2011, 08:38 PM   #51
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I don't mind talking about what our many needs are .. starting with QB ... that's fine but blaming the FO for not covering all the holes in one off-season is a bit over the top, don't you think??

A few drama queens here are already calling for Fox's and Elway's head in what amounts to a Nervous Nelly melt down if there ever was one!
The front office failed to address some of our most pressing needs with good investments or resources.

Some improvements, but not much. (And I liked our draft.)
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I don't mind talking about what our many needs are .. starting with QB ... that's fine but blaming the FO for not covering all the holes in one off-season is a bit over the top, don't you think??
Of course it is.
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Old 09-25-2011, 08:41 PM   #53
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Let's give it some time. The defense has looked much improved on the whole, and as far as the passing defense goes we've been without our best players for more than half the season thus far.

I expect with Doom and Champ back we'll improve a bit.
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Rev, what corners do you like best in this draft?

I'm taking Kirkpatrick.
Kirkpatrick is ridiculous.

Jenkins is probably the second best and if he can stay clean and show maturity, he'll reflect it... otherwise he's probably a late rounder.

Denard and Claiborne are both solid but nothing I'm really excited about.

I'm meh on Cliff Harris.

Minnifield plays like Alphonso lol.

Hayward from Vandy is one of my favorites to start rising... I'm actually going to go and watch him November 5th because of that.

And of course D'Anton Lynn from my PSU to go to a cover 2 team.
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Old 09-25-2011, 08:44 PM   #55
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Wrong at being thin at defensive tackle? Are you seriously joking? Or do you think that shutting down the Titans running game today means we have quality players there?

And Dumervil coming back? Lol. Having Elvis Dumervil and Von Miller doesn't mean we have enough pass rushers.
You said "nothing" at DT. Bunkley has been solid, and we've had pretty good run defense in 2 out of 3 games his year. That's better than nothing. We do need more talent there, but it hasn't been nearly as bad as everone assumed it would be.

You can always have more pass rushers, but having 2 ELITE pass rushers does mean that it is not a major area of concern, IMO.

I'd rather have an upgrade at MLB. Maybe Mays can be the guy, but I have my doubts.
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On another note. The Steelers are so lucky Manning wasnt there tonight. He would have carved them a new one! The Steelers aren't the old Steelers this year.

For that matter the team in Nashville is also wiping their brow to escape with a win today.

We may have shot ourselves in the foot again but we've played each game close to the wire and without a large portion of our playmakers on board.

I'm more encouraged for the future even if more sober about the near term this year.
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Wrong at being thin at defensive tackle? Are you seriously joking? Or do you think that shutting down the Titans running game today means we have quality players there?

And Dumervil coming back? Lol. Having Elvis Dumervil and Von Miller doesn't mean we have enough pass rushers.
I guarantee you that having Doom back with Von Miller will make a huge difference. Sack leader 2 seasons ago has been gone for a season and almost all 3 games of this year makes that difference. How so? Werent we last in Sacks last year without the leader in sacks from the previous year? Bank on it that we will improve dramatically when both are going after the QB.
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On another note. The Steelers are so lucky Manning wasnt there tonight. He would have carved them a new one! The Steelers aren't the old Steelers this year.

For that matter the team in Nashville is also wiping their brow to escape with a win today.

We may have shot ourselves in the foot again but we've played each game close to the wire and without a large portion of our playmakers on board.

I'm more encouraged for the future even if more sober about the near term this year.
But heck, watching Ben at QB, is he really any faster than Orton? I don't think so, and yes, he takes many hits and sacks, but he also has a knack of escaping the pocket when pressured to make big plays down the field or at least move just enough to do the same. How often does Orton do such things? Not much.
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You said "nothing" at DT. Bunkley has been solid, and we've had pretty good run defense in 2 out of 3 games his year. That's better than nothing. We do need more talent there, but it hasn't been nearly as bad as everone assumed it would be.

You can always have more pass rushers, but having 2 ELITE pass rushers does mean that it is not a major area of concern, IMO.

I'd rather have an upgrade at MLB. Maybe Mays can be the guy, but I have my doubts.
Our run defense is big time improved even considering the Raider game which was the first with so many of these guys together this year in this new D system, not to mention with the key injuries...

If we get a bit of injury luck and get and keep a healthy Champ back we may well be in the top 10 in run defense by years end and perhaps middle of the road in pass defense?/ Assuming Doom gets fully healthy quickly?

With a full functioning Doom opposite Von the play of both and our pass rush will take a major leap! And even if Doom is out for the year Von will only continue to get better as the season goes on. I'm a bit worried about Doom, he complained to Fox on Friday that his same pec from last year felt like it was being stabbed by a knife....No one seems to have a clue so he's seeing a specialist Monday .. not so good sounding..

Hope like hell this thing isn't a chronic deal?! Having him in the D huddle is HUGE! And getting Marcus Thomas back in the D line rotation with Bunkley ( who is doing well) and Vickerson will help a good deal

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But heck, watching Ben at QB, is he really any faster than Orton? I don't think so, and yes, he takes many hits and sacks, but he also has a knack of escaping the pocket when pressured to make big plays down the field or at least move just enough to do the same. How often does Orton do such things? Not much.
Big Ben is so much quicker with his feet and SOOO much stronger and bigger .. no comparison with Orton who falls down if you blow on him .. and fumbles in the process.
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Old 09-25-2011, 08:59 PM   #62
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I think we can add Stafford to the list as well...
I think I'd swap him with Cutler. Fitzpatrick also deserves to be on the list over Cutler. Though none of them really deserve to be on that list (yet) with 3 likely future HOFers.
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Hayward at Vandy does look like a keeper on the rise at CB. saw two of their games this year, kid can play...
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Big Ben is so much quicker with his feet and SOOO much stronger and bigger .. no comparison with Orton who falls down if you blow on him .. and fumbles in the process.
Yep, that is why things never seem to go well when the intended receiver is not open and Orton has to move around to get more time.
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Rev, what corners do you like best in this draft?

I'm taking Kirkpatrick.
First we're drafting Vontaze, we need someone to replace Joe Mays. The guy sucks.
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First we're drafting Vontaze, we need someone to replace Joe Mays. The guy sucks.
I still think we're selling out for Luck come draft day. Whatever it takes.
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What round? I am at the top on the waiting list for top picks at DL. You will have to wait your turn.
DT is not our concern anymore, man. Maybe we get Warren back (not holding my breath. But I like Vickerson... Bunkley is quietly having a great season, and Marcus Thomas is solid. I'm thinking 2nd/3rd round depth at this point.
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DT is not our concern anymore, man. Maybe we get Warren back (not holding my breath. But I like Vickerson... Bunkley is quietly having a great season, and Marcus Thomas is solid. I'm thinking 2nd/3rd round depth at this point.
I wouldn't say it isn't a concern anymore, but it may not be the #1 concern.

Vontaze Burfict would address what I think is our #1 concern.
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I thought Woodyard has actually looked pretty good.
Woodyard has been flat awful in pass coverage. He was directly responsible for one of the TD's against Cincy, and was consistently beaten in coverage.
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First we're drafting Vontaze, we need someone to replace Joe Mays. The guy sucks.
Joe Mays plays the run game okay, but is a liability in the pass game. Two of our linebackers and one of our safeties are liabilities in pass coverage right now.

Woodyard, Mays, and Dawkins all struggle to break even in the pass game.

This and the lack of a pass rush (Von already regularly gets chipped and doubled), I think is why the pass defense struggles. Vaughn gets beat alot too, but these other guys just make things so difficult on the defense to make up for their deficiencies.

I would love to see the Broncos draft Burflict. He looks like the next Ray Lewis. As it stands today, we'll probably be right about in position to take Burflict.
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The defense is without three starters. I thought they played well, and have played well compared to what I expected. Raiders just dominated the Jets, so that has to force you to reconsider the week 1 performance.

I'm giving the defense a pass, for now.
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I don't give anyone a pass, but they're clearly a far better unit in every way than what was out there last year.

ST has been very good.
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I wouldn't say it isn't a concern anymore, but it may not be the #1 concern.

Vontaze Burfict would address what I think is our #1 concern.
Him or anyone of those Bama LB's would be great, but I seriously doubt we can grab with because there's a 95 % chance we grab a QB with that pick!
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Him or anyone of those Bama LB's would be great, but I seriously doubt we can grab with because there's a 95 % chance we grab a QB with that pick!
I dont think we're drafting QB. I bet the team wins 5-6 games and we end up with a pick somewhere between 4 and 8. That would be prime real estate to land Burflict.

At that spot, Denver should be looking at DT, DE, or MLB and nowhere else.
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DT is not our concern anymore, man. Maybe we get Warren back (not holding my breath. But I like Vickerson... Bunkley is quietly having a great season, and Marcus Thomas is solid. I'm thinking 2nd/3rd round depth at this point.
In reality, I wouldnt set any draft picks until near end of the season. DL isnt the scary bit it was before the season, but I think a high draft pick needs to be addressed. 2nd or 3rd instead of a 1st? That would mean good news what we have seen. Just to know, our depth isnt much when these guys get hurt.
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