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alkemical · 08-11-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jhns

Heimerdinger agrees with me and he coached Cutler in the NFL.

You guys talk often?

TheReverend · 08-11-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

You're right...they lost three Cutler starts in a row, 3 out of 4 losses overall. The one game he did not start against Carolina, they won.

Wait a second... are you trying to say they won a game against the worst team in football last year without Cutler as evidence to his "poor" value to that team?

BroncoInferno · 08-11-2011, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Sweet! So now we're down to a sample size of a month and a week?

And two of those were blowouts in Chicago's favor...

That leaves us with:

Philly - He threw for 4 TDs... don't need more pass attempts when you're scoring like Candy.

@ Detroit - Probably would've thrown more than 26x but he completed 81 ****ing percent of his passes!

NE - They just got completely pimp smacked.

NYJ - He had a 3 TD performance against the Jets defense... and Forte was at 6 ypc. But who needs context, amirite?

Would you like to try again?

I never said he didn't play well during that stretch. In fact, I specifically stated that the results improved when he threw less.

alkemical · 08-11-2011, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jhns

Ahh, the butthurt of a little girl.

They don't always know whats best. The thing is, I can show you many coaches that say really good things about Cutler. Elway thinks he is the kind of talent you don't give up on. He was sad to see him traded. Shanahan says many good things about Cutler and Shanahan knows QBs. Coaches like McDaniels are the ones that have proven that they don't know what they are doing...

Elway recently said the same thing about Tebow.

BroncoInferno · 08-11-2011, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Wait a second... are you trying to say they won a game against the worst team in football last year without Cutler as evidence to his "poor" value to that team?

No. Please show me where I stated that that proved anything? I was just clarifying the record.

Also, I never said Cutler was "poor" value for his team, either. However, I do think his value is less than Jhns seems to think it is. Go back and read his original statement that I initially responded to.

TheReverend · 08-11-2011, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

I never said he didn't play well during that stretch. In fact, I specifically stated that the results improved when he threw less.

It couldnt possibly be that he threw less CONSIDERING he and the offense were... gasp... start to play better with some experience in the new system?

Why that couldn't possibly be it!

Never mind that he threw 40 times against GB to close out the season. Or that he had another 30+ drop backs against Seattle in the post-season. Clearly this must mean something else!!!!!!!!!11111

TheReverend · 08-11-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

No. Please show me where I stated that that proved anything? I was just clarifying the record.

Also, I never said Cutler was "poor" value for his team, either. However, I do think his value is less than Jhns seems to think it is. Go back and read his original statement that I initially responded to.

Yeah your original statement is that they "dumbed down their offense last season because Cutler kept throwing up INTs"

And you literally have ZERO supporting evidence. The game you highlighted as the time of the change, they came out throwing it all over the place the NEXT TWO CONSECUTIVE GAMES.

Find ANYTHING supporting your retarded belief, please.

Until then, here's Martz on Cutler:

Bears offensive coordinator Mike Martz says quarterback Jay Cutler isn’t just going to be good. He’s going to be great.

“He’s going to be in the very elite of this league,” Martz told the Chicago Tribune. “He’s on his way. He’ll be fine.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...be-very-elite/

alkemical · 08-11-2011, 10:35 AM

Cutler didn't want to be here, and McDaniels made it easy.

'Tis what it is....

We need Kevin Gilbride, or someone from the Bill Cowher offensive coaching tree. Gadget plays for Tebow!

jhns · 08-11-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by alkemical

You guys talk often?

No, but I wish we did. I would love to wish him well in his fight with cancer.

alkemical · 08-11-2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jhns

No, but I wish we did. I would love to wish him well in his fight with cancer.

Me too. Cancer sucks.

I just was wondering how he agreed with you, if you guys don't speak. 'Tis all.

jhns · 08-11-2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

You're right...they lost three Cutler starts in a row, 3 out of 4 losses overall. The one game he did not start against Carolina, they won.

Yup, you don't know much about what happened as you continue to make claims. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get something right, eventually.

TheReverend · 08-11-2011, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by alkemical

Cutler didn't want to be here, and McDaniels made it easy.

'Tis what it is....

We need Kevin Gilbride, or someone from the Bill Cowher offensive coaching tree. Gadget plays for Tebow!

Neither did Orton:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18583140

But he's "a man" when he asks for a trade because his value is **** compared to Jay's

jhns · 08-11-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by alkemical

Me too. Cancer sucks.

I just was wondering how he agreed with you, if you guys don't speak. 'Tis all.

Why would we have to speak for him to agree with my opinion? You do know that they interview these guys and put their quotes in articles, right?

alkemical · 08-11-2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jhns

Why would we have to speak for him to agree with my opinion? You do know that they interview these guys and put their quotes in articles, right?

Just a funny jhns observation.

jhns · 08-11-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by alkemical

Just a funny jhns observation.

Are you ever going to make sense?

alkemical · 08-11-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jhns

Are you ever going to make sense?

Nah, I make dollas.

I just find it funny you say someone agrees with you, that you've never had a conversation with - and only citing information in articles. It's a funny observation of how you construct your reality. that's all.

jhns · 08-11-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by alkemical

Nah, I make dollas.

I just find it funny you say someone agrees with you, that you've never had a conversation with - and only citing information in articles. It's a funny observation of how you construct your reality. that's all.

If they say the exact thing I am saying, would you say they don't agree with me? My reality is based on reality. I can see why you have trouble understanding it.

alkemical · 08-11-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jhns

If they say the exact thing I am saying, would you say they don't agree with me? My reality is based on reality. I can see why you have trouble understanding it.

Z!

Ok buddy, i'm sure they agree with you.

jhns · 08-11-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by alkemical

Z!

Ok buddy, i'm sure they agree with you.

Here is a nice little roundhouse kick to the face from reality.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...71/4/index.htm

One of his coaches in Denver, the highly respected offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger—who is now recovering from his second round of chemotherapy after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer last year—says, "I think he is one of the few guys in this league that can carry a team on his back and win a Super Bowl."

alkemical · 08-11-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jhns

Here is a nice little roundhouse kick to the face from reality.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...71/4/index.htm

One of his coaches in Denver, the highly respected offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger—who is now recovering from his second round of chemotherapy after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer last year—says, "I think he is one of the few guys in this league that can carry a team on his back and win a Super Bowl."

Well i'm glad you agree with him.

(kicks you in the vag)

BroncoInferno · 08-11-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

And you literally have ZERO supporting evidence.

Bull****. A seven game stretch is a significant sample size in a 16 game season. Seven straight games with 26 or fewer pass attempts, and only two of those games were won by double digits.

jhns · 08-11-2011, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Bull****. A seven game stretch is a significant sample size in a 16 game season. Seven straight games with 26 or fewer pass attempts, and only two of those games were won by double digits.

No team, with a real defense, passes a ton when ahead. There is no double digit standard. A QB that throws 3+ TDs, is not playing conservative. You are embarrassing yourself.

bronco militia · 08-11-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by alkemical

Z!

Ok buddy, i'm sure they agree with you.

BroncoInferno · 08-11-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jhns

Here is a nice little roundhouse kick to the face from reality.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...71/4/index.htm

One of his coaches in Denver, the highly respected offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger—who is now recovering from his second round of chemotherapy after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer last year—says, "I think he is one of the few guys in this league that can carry a team on his back and win a Super Bowl."

It's strange how you are so fond of quoting coaches to support your argument in this debate, but when debating Tebow-Orton you dismiss the notion that John Fox (a long-tenured, successful, well-respected head coach) might know better than you which QB gives the team the best chance to win.

TheReverend · 08-11-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Bull****. A seven game stretch is a significant sample size in a 16 game season. Seven straight games with 26 or fewer pass attempts, and only two of those games were won by double digits.

Maybe you'll try addressing this post now:

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Sweet! So now we're down to a sample size of a month and a week?

And two of those were blowouts in Chicago's favor...

That leaves us with:

Philly - He threw for 4 TDs... don't need more pass attempts when you're scoring like Candy.

@ Detroit - Probably would've thrown more than 26x but he completed 81 ****ing percent of his passes!

NE - They just got completely pimp smacked.

NYJ - He had a 3 TD performance against the Jets defense... and Forte was at 6 ypc. But who needs context, amirite?

Would you like to try again?

Not to mention we also have opposing evidence in:

1. More success within the system not necessitating more throwing

2. Historically teams run it more towards the end of the season as weather gets colder.

...but don't let facts get in the way bro!

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alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,698 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	Cutler didn't want to be here, and McDaniels made it easy. 'Tis what it is.... We need Kevin Gilbride, or someone from the Bill Cowher offensive coaching tree. Gadget plays for Tebow!