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[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Scheffler's 2008 saw more yards and first downs in 7 starts than Olsen's best season.

yawn.

For every cherry picked yards and first downs, I'll see you TDs (BY FAR) and receptions.

Look. All I said was the guy was his security blanket. He was. Sorry that rubs you the wrong way. He had a lot of receptions for Cutler the last two years and was particularly helpful in the redzone. Guys like Schef aren't security blankets because they're never on the field. Does Schef tend to stretch the field better? Sure, I'd concede that. But that's a different argument. It's not a security blanket's job to stretch the field. He's there to rack up receptions and bail out his QB. And Olsen did that quite well IMO.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

After their three game losing streak in October, that was 1 of only 3 games in the final 10 where Cutler threw more than 26 passes. What's that about facts again?

Wtf? Of course they don't throw it 40 times a game when they are winning games. They have a defense... They weren't playing in shootouts... Tom Brady ran a conservative offense because he only went over 29 throws once after week 10!

3+ TDs in half the games in the second half of the season. As you pointed out, multiple games over 30 passes in that time. This, while on a team with a pretty good defense. Reality just doesn't agree with you. The only reason he threw so much the first few weeks is because he had to lead comebacks and make up for poor defensive play...

[jhns]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

After Cutler's 4 INT game against Washington in October, Chicago was sitting on a 3 game losing streak. After that game, Cutler only threw the ball more than 26 times in 3 out of the final 10 regular season games. With Mike Martz as OC, no less. If you don't think that's conservative, I don't know what to tell you.

They never once had a three game losing streak... Cutler didn't even play one and a half October games because his line let him get killed.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Well if he's a security blanket, he's moving the chains, right?

And if you're not tracking the theme of my point that Olsen's best season is comparable production to Tony Scheffler, than I think you're missing the fact that he's completely expendable.

As further proven by the trade...

Jesus Effing Christ Rev. I NEVER said he was irreplaceable. I just said it MIGHT hurt. Losing your starting receiving TE, who has put up some pretty good numbers for you over the past few years, might hurt. That's it. I wasn't trying to post the cure for cancer or something. It was a simple little statement that I didn't expect to blow up into anything more. I was just pointing out that they didn't ONLY gain weapons at receiver. They lost one as well. A fairly significant one IMO. One that Cutler obviously had chemistry with on (and off....yikes) the field.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

So immediately after the 4 INT game when you say they switched to a more conservative offense over the bye week, they come out and have him throw it 30 times on the road and then 35 the following week?

Is that what you're saying?

Or do you just want to come out and say you have no idea what you're talking about?

Care to explain seven straight games between 11/18 and 12/26 when he never threw it more than 26 times? It wasn't like they were blowing out teams every week either. Only two of the wins were by double digits. How is throwing the ball > 26 times NOT conservative in todays NFL?

Jhns is right...they had a great defense, so they played it conservative to reduce the risk of momentum changing turnovers. If they trusted Cutler, why not let him throw it more to put teams away earlier?

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by jhns

They never once had a three game losing streak... Cutler didn't even play one and a half October games because his line let him get killed.

You're right...they lost three Cutler starts in a row, 3 out of 4 losses overall. The one game he did not start against Carolina, they won.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by jhns

Wtf? Of course they don't throw it 40 times a game when they are winning games. They have a defense... They weren't playing in shootouts... Tom Brady ran a conservative offense because he only went over 29 throws once after week 10!

New England was blowing teams out during that stretch. The Pats won all 7 of their games after week 10. Only 2 of those 7 were decided by any less than 13 points. When you have a big lead, obviously you aren't going to throw as much. During Cutler's 7 game stretch of throwing 26 or fewer passes, only 2 of the wins were by double digits. So, that doesn't explain it.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by jhns

Heimerdinger agrees with me and he coached Cutler in the NFL.

You guys talk often?

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Sweet! So now we're down to a sample size of a month and a week?

And two of those were blowouts in Chicago's favor...

That leaves us with:

Philly - He threw for 4 TDs... don't need more pass attempts when you're scoring like Candy.

@ Detroit - Probably would've thrown more than 26x but he completed 81 ****ing percent of his passes!

NE - They just got completely pimp smacked.

NYJ - He had a 3 TD performance against the Jets defense... and Forte was at 6 ypc. But who needs context, amirite?

Would you like to try again?

I never said he didn't play well during that stretch. In fact, I specifically stated that the results improved when he threw less.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by jhns

Ahh, the butthurt of a little girl.

They don't always know whats best. The thing is, I can show you many coaches that say really good things about Cutler. Elway thinks he is the kind of talent you don't give up on. He was sad to see him traded. Shanahan says many good things about Cutler and Shanahan knows QBs. Coaches like McDaniels are the ones that have proven that they don't know what they are doing...

Elway recently said the same thing about Tebow.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Wait a second... are you trying to say they won a game against the worst team in football last year without Cutler as evidence to his "poor" value to that team?

No. Please show me where I stated that that proved anything? I was just clarifying the record.

Also, I never said Cutler was "poor" value for his team, either. However, I do think his value is less than Jhns seems to think it is. Go back and read his original statement that I initially responded to.

[alkemical]

Cutler didn't want to be here, and McDaniels made it easy.

'Tis what it is....

We need Kevin Gilbride, or someone from the Bill Cowher offensive coaching tree. Gadget plays for Tebow!

[jhns]

Originally Posted by alkemical

You guys talk often?

No, but I wish we did. I would love to wish him well in his fight with cancer.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by jhns

No, but I wish we did. I would love to wish him well in his fight with cancer.

Me too. Cancer sucks.

I just was wondering how he agreed with you, if you guys don't speak. 'Tis all.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

You're right...they lost three Cutler starts in a row, 3 out of 4 losses overall. The one game he did not start against Carolina, they won.

Yup, you don't know much about what happened as you continue to make claims. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get something right, eventually.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by alkemical

Me too. Cancer sucks.

I just was wondering how he agreed with you, if you guys don't speak. 'Tis all.

Why would we have to speak for him to agree with my opinion? You do know that they interview these guys and put their quotes in articles, right?

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by jhns

Why would we have to speak for him to agree with my opinion? You do know that they interview these guys and put their quotes in articles, right?

Just a funny jhns observation.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by alkemical

Just a funny jhns observation.

Are you ever going to make sense?

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by jhns

Are you ever going to make sense?

Nah, I make dollas.

I just find it funny you say someone agrees with you, that you've never had a conversation with - and only citing information in articles. It's a funny observation of how you construct your reality. that's all.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by alkemical

Nah, I make dollas.

I just find it funny you say someone agrees with you, that you've never had a conversation with - and only citing information in articles. It's a funny observation of how you construct your reality. that's all.

If they say the exact thing I am saying, would you say they don't agree with me? My reality is based on reality. I can see why you have trouble understanding it.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by jhns

If they say the exact thing I am saying, would you say they don't agree with me? My reality is based on reality. I can see why you have trouble understanding it.

Z!

Ok buddy, i'm sure they agree with you.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by alkemical

Z!

Ok buddy, i'm sure they agree with you.

Here is a nice little roundhouse kick to the face from reality.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...71/4/index.htm

One of his coaches in Denver, the highly respected offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger—who is now recovering from his second round of chemotherapy after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer last year—says, "I think he is one of the few guys in this league that can carry a team on his back and win a Super Bowl."

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by jhns

Here is a nice little roundhouse kick to the face from reality.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...71/4/index.htm

One of his coaches in Denver, the highly respected offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger—who is now recovering from his second round of chemotherapy after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer last year—says, "I think he is one of the few guys in this league that can carry a team on his back and win a Super Bowl."

Well i'm glad you agree with him.

(kicks you in the vag)

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

And you literally have ZERO supporting evidence.

Bull****. A seven game stretch is a significant sample size in a 16 game season. Seven straight games with 26 or fewer pass attempts, and only two of those games were won by double digits.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Bull****. A seven game stretch is a significant sample size in a 16 game season. Seven straight games with 26 or fewer pass attempts, and only two of those games were won by double digits.

No team, with a real defense, passes a ton when ahead. There is no double digit standard. A QB that throws 3+ TDs, is not playing conservative. You are embarrassing yourself.