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Old 08-11-2011, 09:21 AM   #2651
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Old 08-11-2011, 09:27 AM   #2652
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Well if that's what it feels like to you, then he was clearly snubbed for "All Pro" last year and the Bears have no hope of replicating his massive 400 yards of production.
I'm sure the yardage will be made up for somewhere, but there is something to be said for having a security blanket target you can depend on. Maybe one of those other guys will step into that role...time will tell
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Old 08-11-2011, 09:43 AM   #2654
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Old 08-11-2011, 09:43 AM   #2655
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Security blanket? I repeat, the guy had 400 yards... if that's a "security blanket" then it needs to get washed.

I dunno, I don't understand. What's your end game here? Hoping to show a poor producing "receiving TE" is actually worth something after being unceremoniously dumped by his team for a 3rd round draft pick?

This isn't Antonio Gates... hell, this isn't even Brent Celek
no end game, I'm not fighting with you. I simply agree with Bean. Olsen served as a security blanket for Cutler. You don't have to make big plays to do that, just be available and on the same page when things get hairy. On a team where trust in his receivers has been shaky at times, that can be pretty important.
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Old 08-11-2011, 09:51 AM   #2657
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no end game, I'm not fighting with you. I simply agree with Bean. Olsen served as a security blanket for Cutler. You don't have to make big plays to do that, just be available and on the same page when things get hairy. On a team where trust in his receivers has been shaky at times, that can be pretty important.
Yup, in his two years with Cutler he had over 100 catches for over 1000 yds and 13 TDs. Not bad considering he didn't even start 4 of those games and Martz's system didn't feature him as much as it probably should've. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing us get back to that kind of reliable production from our TEs.
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Cutler is entering a point in his career where he doesn't need a security blanket, or team, to win. The guy will win SBs with no talent around him. He is the kind of talent that can carry a team to wins. Along with firing Shanahan, this was easily the biggest mistake in franchise hostory.
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Tony "part time" Scheffler crushes him...
If you prefer TEs that catch fewer balls for fewer yards and don't catch TDs.
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:14 AM   #2660
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Cutler is entering a point in his career where he doesn't need a security blanket, or team, to win. The guy will win SBs with no talent around him. He is the kind of talent that can carry a team to wins. Along with firing Shanahan, this was easily the biggest mistake in franchise hostory.
i thought this was sarcasm until i noticed it was posted by JHNS.

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Old 08-11-2011, 10:17 AM   #2661
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Cutler is entering a point in his career where he doesn't need a security blanket, or team, to win. The guy will win SBs with no talent around him. He is the kind of talent that can carry a team to wins. Along with firing Shanahan, this was easily the biggest mistake in franchise hostory.
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Heimerdinger agrees with me and he coached Cutler in the NFL.
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No QB in history has won a championship without a good team around him.
As long as the Bears defense continues to give up 17 points a game he will get his shots though.
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No QB in history has won a championship without a good team around him.
As long as the Bears defense continues to give up 17 points a game he will get his shots though.
I meant offensive talent, and he came close last season. It took a bad injury to stop him. Cutler is a vet now though. He is ready to lead.
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Heimerdinger agrees with me and he coached Cutler in the NFL.
You keep telling us that coaches don't always know what's best, so why should we care what Heimerdinger thinks?

The fact is that the Bears dumbed down their offense last season because Cutler kept throwing up INTs, ruining things for the defense and special teams that were the real reason they had a good season last year. Then he quit on them in the playoffs.
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I meant offensive talent, and he came close last season. It took a bad injury to stop him. Cutler is a vet now though. He is ready to lead.
oh....so now he is a vet...and going like 5-10 for 70 yards and an int before the injury has nothing to do with not winning last year
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You keep telling us that coaches don't always know what's best, so why should we care what Heimerdinger thinks?

The fact is that the Bears dumbed down their offense last season because Cutler kept throwing up INTs, ruining things for the defense and special teams that were the real reason they had a good season last year. Then he quit on them in the playoffs.
Ahh, the butthurt of a little girl.

They don't always know whats best. The thing is, I can show you many coaches that say really good things about Cutler. Elway thinks he is the kind of talent you don't give up on. He was sad to see him traded. Shanahan says many good things about Cutler and Shanahan knows QBs. Coaches like McDaniels are the ones that have proven that they don't know what they are doing...
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oh....so now he is a vet...and going like 5-10 for 70 yards and an int before the injury has nothing to do with not winning last year
He played while injured for a while before he came out... It was the fact that he couldn't throw with the injury(hence the numbers) that made his coaches pull him.

He wasn't fully ready last season though. We gave him away at a crucial point in his decelopment. Chicagos crap offensive coaching set him back at first. He is now ready to take over the world.
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I was going to highlight the dumb part of your post...

but then it all would've been highlighted...
Dispute it then. Why did the Bears start running a more conservative offense in the middle of last season? And why did the results improve once they did so? Yeah, it had absolutely nothing to do with Cutler's penchant for turnovers, did it?
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Or if you just like guys that can exceed Olsen's best season in under half the playing time.

But whatever.
Schef has literally NEVER done that.
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Dispute it then. Why did the Bears start running a more conservative offense in the middle of last season? And why did the results improve once they did so? Yeah, it had absolutely nothing to do with Cutler's penchant for turnovers, did it?
It never happened. This makes it impossible to say why it happened...

He threw it 40 times in week 17 alone. He had 3+ TDs in four games during the second half of the season. Facts are calling you an idiot.

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He played while injured for a while before he came out... It was the fact that he couldn't throw with the injury(hence the numbers) that made his coaches pull him.

He wasn't fully ready last season though. We gave him away at a crucial point in his decelopment. Chicagos crap offensive coaching set him back at first. He is now ready to take over the world.
But you say you only care about what the facts on the field are. In the Orton/Tebow debates, according to you, the only thing that matters is that Tebow outproduced Orton in actual games. And you know what? I agree with you. Problem is, regardless of what anyone says about Cutler positive or negative, the results on the field show a guy who hasn't gotten a lot better over the years. In fact, he's probably regressed a bit since he was seperated from Shanny. With Orton, people say that he is to the point of his career where we know what he is, he isn't going to get better. And I agree with that. But Cutler has actually started more games than Orton (68 to 61). Yet, a lot of folks seem to think he can still improve. At what point is it safe to conclude that Cutler is a finished product?
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But you say you only care about what the facts on the field are. In the Orton/Tebow debates, according to you, the only thing that matters is that Tebow outproduced Orton in actual games. And you know what? I agree with you. Problem is, regardless of what anyone says about Cutler positive or negative, the results on the field show a guy who hasn't gotten a lot better over the years. In fact, he's probably regressed a bit since he was seperated from Shanny. With Orton, people say that he is to the point of his career where we know what he is, he isn't going to get better. And I agree with that. But Cutler has actually started more games than Orton (68 to 61). Yet, a lot of folks seem to think he can still improve. At what point is it safe to conclude that Cutler is a finished product?
Orton has been in the league longer. Cutler just went to the NFCCG. Neither of these guys are finished products. I don't say Orton can't improve. It isn't his throwing that I have a problem with. It is his folding every time the going gets tough. Cutler won 8 games with a similar defense as what we had last season. He doesn't fold every time the game is close and even leads comebacks that don't rely on fluke plays... Orton just doesn't have 'it'. If he learns to deal with pressure, he could be pretty good.
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It never happened. This makes it impossible to say why it happened...

He threw it 40 times in week 17 alone. He had 3+ TDs in four games during the second half of the season. Facts are calling you an idiot.
After their three game losing streak in October, which culminated with Cutler's 4 INT performance against Washington, that was 1 of only 3 games in the final 10 where he threw more than 26 passes. What's that about facts again?

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You go ahead and show me their "more conservative offense"
After Cutler's 4 INT game against Washington in October, Chicago was sitting on a 3 game losing streak. After that game, Cutler only threw the ball more than 26 times in 3 out of the final 10 regular season games. With Mike Martz as OC, no less. If you don't think that's conservative, I don't know what to tell you.
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