OT: Drug Testing

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Florida is the first state that will require drug testing when applying for welfare, effective July 1st! Some people are crying this is unconstitutional. How is this unconstitutional? It's OK to drug test the people who work for their money but not those who don't? (per Denver Post today-CO should be next-but who's paying for all this medical maryjane?)


http://www.newser.com/story/119958/f...ick-scott.html

Governor Rick Scott signed a law this week requiring Floridians to submit urine, blood, or hair samples for drug testing before they could receive any cash aid from the state. Those testing positive will be banned from receiving aid for six months, though they can secure assistance for their children by designating someone else—who must also pass a drug test—to collect the money, the Miami Herald reports.

http://alcoholism.about.com/b/2011/0...recipients.htm

Florida has become the latest state to begin drug screening on adults applying for the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Gov. Rick Scott signed the bill into law saying it is "unfair for Florida taxpayers to subsidize drug addiction."

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...nts-rick-scott

If Floridians want welfare, they better make sure they are drug-free.

Republican Gov. Rick Scott signed a bill on Tuesday that requires benefit recipients to undergo drug testing.

Applicants for the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program who test positive for illicit substances won't be eligible for the funds for a year, or until they undergo treatment.

Those who fail a second time would be banned from receiving the funds for three years.

"While there are certainly legitimate needs for public assistance, it is unfair for Florida taxpayers to subsidize drug addiction," Scott said. "This new law will encourage personal accountability and will help to prevent the misuse of tax dollars."

[Swedish Extrovert]

I really don't see anything wrong with requiring drug tests for things like collecting welfare and unemployment.

[CBF1]

Most of the work I do in SoCal not only requires a 10 panel drug screening but also a Department of Justice (DOJ) background check. I am all for this... If they ever passed a law like this, and enforced it in California, people would start rioting and getting down on the "Man"

[BroncoMan4ever]

good. if you have money for drugs you have disposable income and shouldn't get jack **** from the government. alcohol testing should be done as well

[Boomhauer]

Some come with a chemical heat
pad to maintain it at body temp,
but if not, you'll need to buy and
rubberband a chemical toe warmer
to it = 100*F. Hand warmers run
too hot and will not pass = 115*F

[alkemical]

I'd like to see this expanded and anyone in FL that recieves state money (old people, students, etc etc) should be piss tested.

If you're investing in your fellow citizens, you should demand everyone's using the $ right.

[Drek]

Originally Posted by alkemical

I'd like to see this expanded and anyone in FL that recieves state money (old people, students, etc etc) should be piss tested.

If you're investing in your fellow citizens, you should demand everyone's using the $ right.

We should also start breathalyzer tests and on-site drug testing when entering a highway. After all, its a state funded roadway and who knows what you're using the state's generosity for.

[Los Broncos]

Originally Posted by CBF1

Most of the work I do in SoCal not only requires a 10 panel drug screening but also a Department of Justice (DOJ) background check. I am all for this... If they ever passed a law like this, and enforced it in California, people would start rioting and getting down on the "Man"

No doubt, just think of all the potheads on unemployment.

They would burn this place to the ground if it ever passes here.

[Los Broncos]

Originally Posted by Drek

We should also start breathalyzer tests and on-site drug testing when entering a highway. After all, its a state funded roadway and who knows what you're using the state's generosity for.

[oubronco]

It's about time this got started

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by Drek

We should also start breathalyzer tests and on-site drug testing when entering a highway. After all, its a state funded roadway and who knows what you're using the state's generosity for.

I live on a popular boating lake in my area and on Saturday and Sunday evenings from 5pm to about midnight they block all roads leaving the lake and runs DUI checks on all vehicles. The locals hate it because we have to pass through them every time you go anywhere for any reason. I don't mind but what pisses me off it's it not about safety but it's all about generating revenue. What's really a hassle is on the lake they will issue you a DUI in a boat the same as vehicle so you need a designated driver to go wake boarding.

[jhns]

Originally Posted by Drek

We should also start breathalyzer tests and on-site drug testing when entering a highway. After all, its a state funded roadway and who knows what you're using the state's generosity for.

Actually, the drivers pay for the roads. The people getting welfare are not paying for that welfare, which also makes alkemicals response dumb.

[AK Broncomaniac]

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

good. if you have money for drugs you have disposable income and shouldn't get jack **** from the government. alcohol testing should be done as well

I agree... I don't want my tax dollars paying for their drugs when I have a hard enough time making my mortgage payment.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Why do people complain about mortgage payments? I never got that. You knew what you were getting into when you took out the loan... that's what caused this whole economic mess - people buying houses they couldn't afford.

[AK Broncomaniac]

Originally Posted by Mightysmurf

Why do people complain about mortgage payments? I never got that. You knew what you were getting into when you took out the loan... that's what caused this whole economic mess - people buying houses they couldn't afford.

I make my mortgage payment just fine, thank you... it's just a figure of speech.

[AK Broncomaniac]

Originally Posted by AK Broncomaniac

I make my mortgage payment just fine, thank you... it's just a figure of speech.

Maybe you're just bored and trying to piss people off. I have agreed with you,smurf,from the beginning! I am not a big pro-welfare fan anyway. I was just implying that I would like to see my tax dollars spent more constructively,

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by Mightysmurf

Why do people complain about mortgage payments? I never got that. You knew what you were getting into when you took out the loan... that's what caused this whole economic mess - people buying houses they couldn't afford.

I think they should drug test you before they approve your mortgage loan, especially if the Feds are going to bailout the lenders....... it's a slippery slope

[Ray_Lewis'_Victim]

Rick Scott has a significant financial stake in the companies performing the drug tests. Clear conflict of interest.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Originally Posted by alkemical

I'd like to see this expanded and anyone in FL that recieves state money (old people, students, etc etc) should be piss tested.

If you're investing in your fellow citizens, you should demand everyone's using the $ right.

I'm all about cutting old people entitlements, but if they are retired, and as long as students are making the grade, this seems like useless big brother stuff to me.

[snowspot66]

How much is this going to cost?

[Swedish Extrovert]

Likewise, I would apply the same thing to the corporate world... if they're getting the job done, it isn't the government's responsibility to make sure they aren't hitting a bong every once and a while.

However, I do support OP... if someone doesn't want to contribute to the economic system, that's fine... just don't ask the government to help your lifestyle.

[ICON]

Pork Barrel Spending - The Absurd

$107,000 to study the sex life of the Japanese quail.
$1.2 million to study the breeding habits of the woodchuck.
$150,000 to study the Hatfield-McCoy feud.
$84,000 to find out why people fall in love.
$1 million to study why people don't ride bikes to work.
$19 million to examine gas emissions from cow flatulence.
$144,000 to see if pigeons follow human economic laws.
Funds to study the cause of rudeness on tennis courts and examine smiling patterns in bowling alleys.
$219,000 to teach college students how to watch television.
$2 million to construct an ancient Hawaiian canoe.
$20 million for a demonstration project to build wooden bridges.
$160,000 to study if you can hex an opponent by drawing an X on his chest.
$800,000 for a restroom on Mt. McKinley.
$100,000 to study how to avoid falling spacecraft.
$16,000 to study the operation of the komungo, a Korean stringed instrument.
$1 million to preserve a sewer in Trenton, NJ, as a historic monument.
$6,000 for a document on Worcestershire sauce.
$10,000 to study the effect of naval communications on a bull's potency.
$100,000 to research soybean-based ink.
$1 million for a Seafood Consumer Center.
$57,000 spent by the Executive Branch for gold-embossed playing cards on Air Force Two.
Total: $ 45,980,000

1. $1.9 million for a water taxi to Pleasure Beach, Conn.

2. $3.8 million for an urban art trail in Rochester, N.Y.

3. $3.1 million for upgrades to an 88-year-old canal boat museum in New York

4. $3 million for bicycle racks in Washington, D.C.'s Georgetown area

5. $1.5 million for a streetscape project around a Detroit casino

6. $578,000 to fight homelessness in Union, N.Y., a town that reportedly has no homeless people

7. $550,000 for a skateboard park in Pawtucket, R.I.

8. $500,000 for fish food for Missouri fish farmers

9. $400,000 to renovate a vacant building in Jal, N.M.

10. $380,350 to encourage West Virginia landowners to grow ginseng and shiitake mushrooms

11. $90,000 for a shared kitchen for food service entrepreneurs

I don't care about what some crack head does for 12 mounts.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Originally Posted by snowspot66

How much is this going to cost?

Piss tests are expensive... also, in order for it to be effective, they'd have to employ meatgazers.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Okay, so I just looked up Rick Scott... he made all his money in pharmaceuticals - doesn't this seem a little fishy that he would expand drug testing?

[Swedish Extrovert]

Originally Posted by ICON

Pork Barrel Spending - The Absurd
$107,000 to study the sex life of the Japanese quail.
$1.2 million to study the breeding habits of the woodchuck.
$150,000 to study the Hatfield-McCoy feud.
$84,000 to find out why people fall in love.
$1 million to study why people don't ride bikes to work.
$19 million to examine gas emissions from cow flatulence.
$144,000 to see if pigeons follow human economic laws.
Funds to study the cause of rudeness on tennis courts and examine smiling patterns in bowling alleys.
$219,000 to teach college students how to watch television.
$2 million to construct an ancient Hawaiian canoe.
$20 million for a demonstration project to build wooden bridges.
$160,000 to study if you can hex an opponent by drawing an X on his chest.
$800,000 for a restroom on Mt. McKinley.
$100,000 to study how to avoid falling spacecraft.
$16,000 to study the operation of the komungo, a Korean stringed instrument.
$1 million to preserve a sewer in Trenton, NJ, as a historic monument.
$6,000 for a document on Worcestershire sauce.
$10,000 to study the effect of naval communications on a bull's potency.
$100,000 to research soybean-based ink.
$1 million for a Seafood Consumer Center.
$57,000 spent by the Executive Branch for gold-embossed playing cards on Air Force Two.
Total: $ 45,980,000
1. $1.9 million for a water taxi to Pleasure Beach, Conn.

2. $3.8 million for an urban art trail in Rochester, N.Y.

3. $3.1 million for upgrades to an 88-year-old canal boat museum in New York

4. $3 million for bicycle racks in Washington, D.C.'s Georgetown area

5. $1.5 million for a streetscape project around a Detroit casino

6. $578,000 to fight homelessness in Union, N.Y., a town that reportedly has no homeless people

7. $550,000 for a skateboard park in Pawtucket, R.I.

8. $500,000 for fish food for Missouri fish farmers

9. $400,000 to renovate a vacant building in Jal, N.M.

10. $380,350 to encourage West Virginia landowners to grow ginseng and shiitake mushrooms

11. $90,000 for a shared kitchen for food service entrepreneurs

I don't care about what some crack head does for 12 mounts.

Some of those are important... such as the study of Cows and greenhouse gas emissions. I'm as fiscally conservative as anybody in terms of ideology, but I'm not too concerned about pork barrel spending - it's minuscule compared to entitlement spending and some very important scientific advancements have been made due to pork.