NBA LOCKOUT - The Orange Mane

bronco militia · 06-30-2011, 02:04 PM

The Salt Lake Tribune

First published 1 hour ago
Updated 1 minute ago Updated Jun 30, 2011 02:57PM
NBA owners believe that the league’s economic system is completely broken. They enacted a lockout Thursday to try fixing it.

Owners informed players that they have approved a work stoppage, CBS Sports reported, ending nearly two years of collective bargaining agreement (CBA) negotiations.

"It’s kind of what we all saw was going to be the end result … it’s not a surprise to any of us. We just hope we can get something knocked out before we wind up missing games," said Jazz guard Raja Bell, who served as the team’s player representative during the NBA Players Association’s (NBPA) annual gathering last Thursday in New York.

Representatives for NBA owners and players met Thursday in New York, converging for the final time in an attempt to agree upon the framework of a new CBA or at least extend negotiations past a 10:01 p.m. Mountain Time deadline.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home2/5...ckout.html.csp

The meeting lasted a little more than three hours and reportedly featured NBA commissioner David Stern, deputy commissioner Adam Silver, NBPA executive director Billy Hunter and NBPA president Derek Fisher, among others. But some of the biggest names guiding a league that annually takes in about $4 billion in revenue were unable to keep the game going.

"If the NBA feels the gap [in issues] is just too wide, a lockout is a way of putting pressure on the players to make some more concessions," said Michael McCann, Vermont professor of law and director of the school’s sports law institute.

The 2011 NBA lockout coincides with an ongoing three-month NFL lockout. Professional basketball’s work stoppage could ultimately have more in common with a 2004-05 NHL lockout, though, which resulted in a lost season and a fully revamped CBA. Several NBA owners have ties to NHL teams, and hockey has enjoyed a resurgence under its new deal.

The NBA and NFL lockouts are also separated by hard economic numbers. The NFL is the undisputed king of the sports world and rakes in money. The NBA’s 2010-11 season was one of the league’s best since Michael Jordan left the game for good, and television ratings peaked during a highly entertaining Finals matchup between Dallas and Miami. But at the same time that the league was reveling in its post-Decision glow, it was also bleeding money — the NBA claims that 22 of 30 teams operated in the red last season.

bombay · 06-30-2011, 02:06 PM

The nba will miss a full season unless the players make serious concessions.

CBF1 · 06-30-2011, 02:13 PM

This is a shock.... front page news.

Remember, They make alot of money because they spend alot of money.

RhymesayersDU · 06-30-2011, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombay

The nba will miss a full season unless the players make serious concessions.

Which I'm actually excited for. I hate the idea of a lockout, but I'm excited for the aftermath of when the players break (and they will). There needs to be a hard cap, among other things.

It sucks that it happens after one of the best seasons in a while, but it needs to happen.

bombay · 06-30-2011, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

Which I'm actually excited for. I hate the idea of a lockout, but I'm excited for the aftermath of when the players break (and they will). There needs to be a hard cap, among other things.

It sucks that it happens after one of the best seasons in a while, but it needs to happen.

Agree.

Drunk Monkey · 06-30-2011, 03:16 PM

Since I don't really follow the NBA until around the all star break I am not to hurt by this news.

worm · 06-30-2011, 03:35 PM

I can't believe that Dom might have to wait for his Jimmer fix.

epicSocialism4tw · 06-30-2011, 09:08 PM

The owners have to be ensured a bit of return or they'll quit investing in the league.

rugbythug · 06-30-2011, 09:12 PM

They only play like 40% of the time they should take a 60% pay cut.

BroncoMatt · 06-30-2011, 11:23 PM

Without the hard cap in the NFL i doubt this past super bowl happens. Pitt GB Indy NO are hardly "glamour" cities but have been in the leagues biggest game the past 2 seasons. The NBA needs this otherwise it will always be Lakers, Miami, Chicago, Boston etc at the top

epicSocialism4tw · 06-30-2011, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoMatt

Without the hard cap in the NFL i doubt this past super bowl happens. Pitt GB Indy NO are hardly "glamour" cities but have been in the leagues biggest game the past 2 seasons. The NBA needs this otherwise it will always be Dallas at the top

I fixed it for you, man.

BroncoMatt · 06-30-2011, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

I fixed it for you, man.

I begrudgingly concede Dallas too

cutthemdown · 06-30-2011, 11:55 PM

I doubt the NBA losing as much as they say. But players IMO are employees, they should have to play under what rules the owners say they want. if you don't like it go play in Europe.

cutthemdown · 06-30-2011, 11:56 PM

I didn't think a Dallas/Miami matchup would be a rating bonanza but I was way off. People really got excited to see someone besides Lakers/Boston/Spurs and a failed to account for how many people watched to see Lebron fail.

ol#7 · 07-01-2011, 02:13 AM

Cut, The NBA has failed to realize fans would watch anybody in the finals besides the glamour markets for years, its why I believe they monkeyed with the outcomes for years in playoff series.

That said, the NBA model is broken. Having to trade a lottery pick so someone else will absorb a guaranteed contract isnt good for anybody. The NBA system doesnt work, and now its even worse when you cant even overpay to keep your face of the franchise guys because they can just make it up in endorsements anyway.

Kaylore · 07-01-2011, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ol#7

Cut, The NBA has failed to realize fans would watch anybody in the finals besides the glamour markets for years, its why I believe they monkeyed with the outcomes for years in playoff series.

That said, the NBA model is broken. Having to trade a lottery pick so someone else will absorb a guaranteed contract isnt good for anybody. The NBA system doesnt work, and now its even worse when you cant even overpay to keep your face of the franchise guys because they can just make it up in endorsements anyway.

I agree with this.

RhymesayersDU · 07-01-2011, 07:19 AM

For me, I'd just be happy with a hard cap to level the playing field. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get rid of guaranteed contracts but I don't know if the owners can get both. We'll see how much they really dig in.

broncocalijohn · 07-01-2011, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drunk Monkey

Since I don't really follow the NBA until around the all star break I am not to hurt by this news.

I hope it brings more people to hockey arenas across the USA and Canada and makes the NHL stronger. Management in Phoenix would love this scenario.

TerrElway · 07-01-2011, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

Which I'm actually excited for. I hate the idea of a lockout, but I'm excited for the aftermath of when the players break (and they will). There needs to be a hard cap, among other things.

It sucks that it happens after one of the best seasons in a while, but it needs to happen.

And they need to address players trying to get together and have super league teams ala Miami.

It's fine if you are a big market (LA, NY, Chi) or attractive destination (Miami, Phoenix) but that some sh*t that will kill the league.

I don't begrudge the players the money, if someone is dumb enough to give the max to an Andrei Kirilenko, or make Rashard Lewis the highest paid player in the league, then I would take it and run just like they did. But that hard cap needs to be there to keep it somewhat competitive.

I'd rather follow a league that has a chance of 15 different teams at any given time being a threat to win it all than one that has 4 super teams and 25 also ran's.

RhymesayersDU · 07-01-2011, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerrElway

And they need to address players trying to get together and have super league teams ala Miami.

It's fine if you are a big market (LA, NY, Chi) or attractive destination (Miami, Phoenix) but that some sh*t that will kill the league.

I don't begrudge the players the money, if someone is dumb enough to give the max to an Andrei Kirilenko, or make Rashard Lewis the highest paid player in the league, then I would take it and run just like they did. But that hard cap needs to be there to keep it somewhat competitive.

I'd rather follow a league that has a chance of 15 different teams at any given time being a threat to win it all than one that has 4 super teams and 25 also ran's.

And theoretically a hard cap would prevent that. I don't have a problem philosophically with free agency, so I never had a problem with the Miami signings. But that type of thing will be hard going forward with a hard salary cap. If the players want to take a lot less money to create a better overall team, then IMO they should be free to make that decision.

I agree with you though that NBA GMs have for so long been basically incompetant, and now a new CBA will have to save them from themselves. A lot of dumb money has been thrown at guys. I agree with you that I don't hold that against the players, I'd sign that contract too.

broncosteven · 07-01-2011, 02:38 PM

Does this mean that the Baby Momma's are locked out or are they get more work during the NBA/NFL lockouts?

06-30-2011, 02:04 PM	#1
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,591	NBA LOCKOUT The Salt Lake Tribune First published 1 hour ago Updated 1 minute ago Updated Jun 30, 2011 02:57PM NBA owners believe that the league’s economic system is completely broken. They enacted a lockout Thursday to try fixing it. Owners informed players that they have approved a work stoppage, CBS Sports reported, ending nearly two years of collective bargaining agreement (CBA) negotiations. "It’s kind of what we all saw was going to be the end result … it’s not a surprise to any of us. We just hope we can get something knocked out before we wind up missing games," said Jazz guard Raja Bell, who served as the team’s player representative during the NBA Players Association’s (NBPA) annual gathering last Thursday in New York. Representatives for NBA owners and players met Thursday in New York, converging for the final time in an attempt to agree upon the framework of a new CBA or at least extend negotiations past a 10:01 p.m. Mountain Time deadline. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home2/5...ckout.html.csp The meeting lasted a little more than three hours and reportedly featured NBA commissioner David Stern, deputy commissioner Adam Silver, NBPA executive director Billy Hunter and NBPA president Derek Fisher, among others. But some of the biggest names guiding a league that annually takes in about $4 billion in revenue were unable to keep the game going. "If the NBA feels the gap [in issues] is just too wide, a lockout is a way of putting pressure on the players to make some more concessions," said Michael McCann, Vermont professor of law and director of the school’s sports law institute. The 2011 NBA lockout coincides with an ongoing three-month NFL lockout. Professional basketball’s work stoppage could ultimately have more in common with a 2004-05 NHL lockout, though, which resulted in a lost season and a fully revamped CBA. Several NBA owners have ties to NHL teams, and hockey has enjoyed a resurgence under its new deal. The NBA and NFL lockouts are also separated by hard economic numbers. The NFL is the undisputed king of the sports world and rakes in money. The NBA’s 2010-11 season was one of the league’s best since Michael Jordan left the game for good, and television ratings peaked during a highly entertaining Finals matchup between Dallas and Miami. But at the same time that the league was reveling in its post-Decision glow, it was also bleeding money — the NBA claims that 22 of 30 teams operated in the red last season.

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BroncoMatt The Blizzard Man Check My Style Out Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: California Posts: 1,559	Without the hard cap in the NFL i doubt this past super bowl happens. Pitt GB Indy NO are hardly "glamour" cities but have been in the leagues biggest game the past 2 seasons. The NBA needs this otherwise it will always be Lakers, Miami, Chicago, Boston etc at the top

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