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Old 05-27-2011, 07:14 AM   #126
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They are both wars. Gangs in Mexico are at war with each other.

We (USA) like to fight our wars in someone else's yard.
Damn straight. Tends to make the U.S. a much nicer place to live. Its a lesson the Europeans learned from us following WWII.

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But make no mistake the danger in Mexico is because of a war and it will end eventually.
Well, when it does finally end, we can do a new comparison of the living conditions at that time. Until then, I tend to agree with the following Data.

http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/#/44444424534

Yes, the U.S.A. doesn't really top the list. But it still ranks significantly higher than Mexico.
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Old 05-27-2011, 07:27 AM   #127
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Until then, I tend to agree with the following Data.

http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/#/44444424534

Yes, the U.S.A. doesn't really top the list. But it still ranks significantly higher than Mexico.
Interesting data. When you indicate Safety as the primary value you care about....Mexico has the biggest movement down that chart over all countries included. ie. Mexico is the least safe country on their scale.


Mexico Key Findings

Personal security is a core element for the well-being of individuals, and largely reflects the risks of people being physically assaulted or falling victim to other types of crime. Across the OECD, victimisation rates for conventional crime (theft, robbery, assault) have declined in the new millennium. In Mexico, 15% of people reported falling victim to assault over the previous 12 months, much higher than the OECD average of 4% and the highest rate in the OECD. 34% of people feel unsafe on the street after dark, higher than the OECD average of 26%.

The homicide rate (the number of murders per 100,000 inhabitants) is a more reliable measure of a countryís safety level because, unlike other crimes, murders are usually always reported to the police. According to the latest OECD data, Mexicoís homicide rate has increased from 7 in 2002 to 11.6, much higher than the OECD average and the highest in the OECD.


United States Key Findings

Personal security is a core element for the well-being of individuals, and largely reflects the risks of people being physically assaulted or falling victim to other types of crime. Across the OECD, victimisation rates for conventional crime (theft, robbery, assault) have declined in the new millennium. In the United States, 2% of people reported falling victim to assault over the previous 12 months, lower than the OECD average of 4%. 19% of people feel unsafe on the street after dark, also lower than the OECD average of 26%.

The homicide rate (the number of murders per 100,000 inhabitants) is a more reliable measure of a countryís safety level because, unlike other crimes, murders are usually always reported to the police. According to the latest OECD data, the United Statesí homicide rate is 5.2, higher than the OECD average and one of the highest in the OECD.
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Old 05-27-2011, 07:30 AM   #128
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Damn straight. Tends to make the U.S. a much nicer place to live. Its a lesson the Europeans learned from us following WWII.



Well, when it does finally end, we can do a new comparison of the living conditions at that time. Until then, I tend to agree with the following Data.

http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/#/44444424534

Yes, the U.S.A. doesn't really top the list. But it still ranks significantly higher than Mexico.
Living conditions?? There has never been a question which country has the better living conditions for the majority of the citizens. The US wins that one and there is no question about it.
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Old 05-27-2011, 07:34 AM   #129
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There is a war going on in Mexico naturally the the per capata murder rate number will go up. That's why they call it war.
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Old 05-27-2011, 07:46 AM   #130
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There is a war going on in Mexico naturally the the per capata murder rate number will go up. That's why they call it war.
And it is always safer to live in a war zone!
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Old 05-27-2011, 08:03 AM   #131
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The war is about market share for the huge demand for illegal drugs by the US population and the US provides the assault weapons to make the war more efficient.

Not to mention scaring US citizens into spending their winter vacation dollars at home.
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Americans do love their drugs.
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Americans do love their drugs.
Re-read the OP and what he's arguing. Clearly Mexicans love their drugs way more.
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I love the way baja blames all of Mexico's problems on the US. If you ask him why all the illegal immigrants from the great and prosperous nation of Mexico continue to flood across the border into the ugly arm pit of the US he will claim--with a straight face--that it's due to the US ag. industry.

Forget about NAFTA and how Mexico has screwed the US with that deal, nope, baja won't recognize that hypocrisy. He is too amped up on what is wrong with the US, instead of what is wrong with Mexico.
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I love the way baja blames all of Mexico's problems on the US. If you ask him why all the illegal immigrants from the great and prosperous nation of Mexico continue to flood across the border into the ugly arm pit of the US he will claim--with a straight face--that it's due to the US ag. industry.

Forget about NAFTA and how Mexico has screwed the US with that deal, nope, baja won't recognize that hypocrisy. He is too amped up on what is wrong with the US, instead of what is wrong with Mexico.
Corporations wanted NAFTA.

See Hershey as a great example.
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Re-read the OP and what he's arguing. Clearly Mexicans love their drugs way more.
And....it still doesn't change the fact Americans love their drugs.

But obviously, the war on drugs is working phenomenally. The prison systems are booming, arms sales are booming, all sorts of good "government funding" available for contractors.

it's full of WIN!

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Americans love their drugs.
Oh, I agree:

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I don't know what you people think you're doing but it isn't helping. The US is the suckzorz and we need to get the women and children, particularly of these poor, misguided and exploited souls who have illegally been lured by the American seductress to break the law and crossed the border, out as soon as possible. They need to get out first. Help them. Please. America is luring these people into overcrowded and overheated trucks; tempting them such that they risk their lives and the lives of their families to cross the border to be exploited. I implore you, as a moral imperative help these people get back home. Call ICE, they will make sure to escort them to the border so they may once again breathe the free air in the safety of Madre Mexico. Oh, and take the homeless too. They need help. It ain't safe on these city streets. Madre Mexico will provide for them.
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I had a friend when i spent time on the streets, his name was dean.

Some guys left a bar, found him sleeping in a park, beat him up, set him on fire and pissed on him.
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I had a friend when i spent time on the streets, his name was dean.

Some guys left a bar, found him sleeping in a park, beat him up, set him on fire and pissed on him.
that is too bad and unfortunate. the good news is the local hospital provided for his injuries at no cost to him and the local authorities are now involved to bring those involved to justice. No one here is claiming the US is perfect, and life in a "free" society often shows its darker side.
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that is too bad and unfortunate. the good news is the local hospital provided for his injuries at no cost to him and the local authorities are now involved to bring those involved to justice. No one here is claiming the US is perfect, and life in a "free" society often shows its darker side.
Actually not really, the cops let those guys go, no charges filed... "Lack of evidence".

Dean, ended up dying 2 months later due to a staph infection due to complications from his injuries and lack of post/follow up care.

Next time, maybe you won't lie.
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Forget Mexico. If you haven't been to Costa Rica yet do yourself a favor. There is some petty theft going on in Jan Jose but no drug war going on like Mexico.

You can enjoy both beaches Carribean and Pacific in the same trip! They are just a quick cheep flight away. Costa Rica is small but the majority of it is public lands! Amazing wildlife, lovely people, abundant fishing (they haven't over fished it like baja), hot springs that will blow you away (See Tobacon). I could go on and on. Heck Costa Rica doesn't even have an army.

Forget the war zone in Mexico. Those son of a b****es will knock you over the head for 10 bucks. The little thieves have been doing that for decades. If it's not the thieves that get you the damn police will jack you!

Do yourselves and your families a favor. Head to Costa Rica! Yah man!
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Years ago I had some friends that took a trip down south of Cabo. was going to go but had to work. They slept on the beach. Awoke to find themselves hauled away to jail. The families had to 'buy' their freedom. When they asked where their cars weree... the tricked out 4x4 blazer and 60's convertible mustang mysteriously vanished. The authorities denied ever towing away those two vehicles... they just admitted to having the junkers in the group. The blazer was later tracked down driven by a mexican cop around in a nearby ****ty little town. The California plates still attached.
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Actually not really, the cops let those guys go, no charges filed... "Lack of evidence".

Dean, ended up dying 2 months later due to a staph infection due to complications from his injuries and lack of post/follow up care.

Next time, maybe you won't lie.
You're still taking an isolated case and projecting it over the entire US. Next time, buy a clue.
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I love the way baja blames all of Mexico's problems on the US. If you ask him why all the illegal immigrants from the great and prosperous nation of Mexico continue to flood across the border into the ugly arm pit of the US he will claim--with a straight face--that it's due to the US ag. industry.

Forget about NAFTA and how Mexico has screwed the US with that deal, nope, baja won't recognize that hypocrisy. He is too amped up on what is wrong with the US, instead of what is wrong with Mexico.
You guys crack me up with your knee jerk reactions jumping to protect who knows what.


Fact; The market for illegal drugs in in the prosperous United States - depute that

Fact; Assault weapons used by drug gangs used to kill one another plus some collateral damage are manufactured in the USA and are illegal in Mexico - dispute that

I never blamed all Mexico Problems on the USA. Mexico has severe systemic problems but they are moving in the right direction. That is my position. The first requirement for a discussion is to understand your opponents position. I have stated mine more that once but you continue to misrepresent my position.
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You're still taking an isolated case and projecting it over the entire US. Next time, buy a clue.
You're still living in a fantasy world where justice exists for everyone!

next time, keep your mouth shut.
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You're still living in a fantasy world where justice exists for everyone!

next time, keep your mouth shut.
You brought your friend up brosef. And I said there's risks to living in a free society AND I said no one claimed the US is perfect. Sorry about your friend.
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You guys crack me up with your knee jerk reactions jumping to protect who knows what.


Fact; The market for illegal drugs in in the prosperous United States - depute that

Fact; Assault weapons used by drug gangs used to kill one another plus some collateral damage are manufactured in the USA and are illegal in Mexico - dispute that

I never blamed all Mexico Problems on the USA. Mexico has severe systemic problems but they are moving in the right direction. That is my position. The first requirement for a discussion is to understand your opponents position. I have stated mine more that once but you continue to misrepresent my position.
Baja,

Suburban Americans generally don't seem to be able to think beyond what they're told to think.
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You brought your friend up brosef. And I said there's risks to living in a free society AND I said no one claimed the US is perfect. Sorry about your friend.

Wake me up when we are in a free society.

I have seen things done to people that you wouldn't believe. It's all condoned because nobody gives a **** about the poor.

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Another thing that cracks me up is there guys posting on this thread that (without knowing anything about me) calling me a coward yet they are afraid to come to Mexico because of a drug war going on in a few isolated areas.

It's like shunning the USA because they had a bad experience in South Central LA.
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