Liberal Standard-Bearer Michael Moore says “Bin Laden Suffered An Execution”

[W*GS]

gaffe just cannot stand that Israel exists.

No wonder he's Hamas' best fluffer 'round here.

BTW, gaffe - do you think the Brothers and the Salafists can reach accommodation?

[Arkie]

We borrow money from China and give it to Israel. We give 3x more foreign aid to Israel than we give to the ten least developed countries on earth combined. BTW, opposing the Israel Lobby doesn't mean you oppose Jews.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Michael Moore:

[Spider]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

Michael Moore:

you know a friend talked me into going ot church today ...... I told her why I didnt go , cause of people like you

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Spider

you know a friend talked me into going ot church today ...... I told her why I didnt go , cause of people like you

If you dont go to church because of what you think of other people, then you are missing the reason for going to begin with. People will disappoint you. Maybe you shouldn't be so judgmental.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

If you dont go to church because of what you think of other people, then you are missing the reason for going to begin with. People will disappoint you. Maybe you shouldn't be so judgmental.

maybe .........I just see how Christians behave .......not really my cup of tea, but the doctor there today has done lot of good in the world .... so he has my respect

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

No one will ever be able to dictate to the Israelis with out a fight. With countries like Syria in revolt, money to Hezzbollah and to some extent Hamas at an all time low. Since Hamas is now reuniting with the palestinian leadership it only means one thing. How long before the next split? It never lasts. Evenutually Hamas will go to far and Israel will kick some ass again.

Too bad they just didn't accept the partition when it happened. They tried to take it from Israel and that is what led to all this today. Otherwise the Palestinians would have more land, half of Jerusalem etc etc.

No. That is not accurate. The Zionist plan was to take all of Palestine. This was the plan from the mid-30s -- even before the Holocaust. The Zionists used the UN just as they used the Brits, the French and Americans.

When an ally ceases to be useful the Zionists abandon them. This is the historical pattern.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

No. That is not accurate. The Zionist plan was to take all of Palestine. This was the plan from the mid-30s -- even before the Holocaust. The Zionists used the UN just as they used the Brits, the French and Americans.

When an ally ceases to be useful the Zionists abandon them. This is the historical pattern.

If they ever make a Hall of Fame for bat**** crazy people ... you got my vote you loony bastard

[mhgaffney]

Unfortunately, my post is historically accurate. Take, for example, the Brits.

The state of Israel would never have come into existence without British help. It happened because the Zionists cut a deal with the Brits during WW I.

Germany had won the war and offered England very generous terms involving no reparations. However, the Brits refused, and began conniving to turn the situation around. They struck a secret deal with the Zionists -- who agreed to bring the US into the war. In return, the Zionists would get Palestine.

Remember -- this was AFTER the Brits had already promised the Arabs independence if they helped win the war. Which they did. The Seven Pillars of Wisdom by TE Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) is the historical account of the successful Arab desert campaign against the Ottoman Turks, the German ally in the MIdeast.

The Balfour Declaration was the signed deal between the UK and the Zionists.

So the US entered the war late -- which turned the tide against the Germans. After the German defeat, the Brits betrayed the Arabs at the Versailles peace conference. They also set the stage for WW II by imposing draconian reparations on Germany, even though, as noted, the Germans had been generous after initially defeating England on the battlefield.

Even though the Balfour Declaration stated that the Zionists would respect the lands and rights of the indigenous Palestinians -- the promises later went out the window. By the mid 1930s the Zionist plan to seize all of Palestine was in place.

The Brits helped train and arm the Zionists who fought against the Germans, side by side the Brits. However, before WW II was even finished -- the Zionists had turned their guns on the British.

In sum, after the Brits ceased being useful they were attacked. This is the actual history.

BTW, I 'm still waiting for Spider to put two grammatically correct sentences, back to back. I suppose it will happen when hell freezes over.

[W*GS]

Thanks for the NASDAP version of history, gaffe.

The more you write, the more your essential hatred of Jews reveals itself.

Not that we didn't already know that...

[jhns]

So if we would yave used a missile, like we do so often, would this be a problem? Osama is the one guy we have killed over the past decade that deserves a trial?

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by Dudeskey

For all we know he was trying to save money and use legal zoom. Maybe he didn't want an attorney. Or maybe he had an attorney but used her as a human shield when the SEALs made their house call. Lots of variables Moore isn't thinking of here...™

Well, either way I think he's pleading the 5th for a while now.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Spider

maybe .........I just see how Christians behave .......not really my cup of tea, but the doctor there today has done lot of good in the world .... so he has my respect

A church is a hospital for spiritually sick people. If someone acts as though they arent making mistakes in their life, they're probably the people you dont really want to get to know all that well.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Unfortunately, my post is historically accurate. Take, for example, the Brits.

The state of Israel would never have come into existence without British help. It happened because the Zionists cut a deal with the Brits during WW I.

Germany had won the war and offered England very generous terms involving no reparations. However, the Brits refused, and began conniving to turn the situation around. They struck a secret deal with the Zionists -- who agreed to bring the US into the war. In return, the Zionists would get Palestine.

Remember -- this was AFTER the Brits had already promised the Arabs independence if they helped win the war. Which they did. The Seven Pillars of Wisdom by TE Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) is the historical account of the successful Arab desert campaign against the Ottoman Turks, the German ally in the MIdeast.

The Balfour Declaration was the signed deal between the UK and the Zionists.

So the US entered the war late -- which turned the tide against the Germans. After the German defeat, the Brits betrayed the Arabs at the Versailles peace conference. They also set the stage for WW II by imposing draconian reparations on Germany, even though, as noted, the Germans had been generous after initially defeating England on the battlefield.

Even though the Balfour Declaration stated that the Zionists would respect the lands and rights of the indigenous Palestinians -- the promises later went out the window. By the mid 1930s the Zionist plan to seize all of Palestine was in place.

The Brits helped train and arm the Zionists who fought against the Germans, side by side the Brits. However, before WW II was even finished -- the Zionists had turned their guns on the British.

In sum, after the Brits ceased being useful they were attacked. This is the actual history.

BTW, I 'm still waiting for Spider to put two grammatically correct sentences, back to back. I suppose it will happen when hell freezes over.

Once again, Gaffney, you're talking out of your a$$.

First, when did the Germans win WW1?

Second: The Balfour letter was not signed by anyone other than Balfour. It's a brief letter.....not a treaty/contract or any other legally binding document. It was a 'declaration of intent.'

The Balfour declaration...in full:

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,

Arthur James Balfour

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

A church is a hospital for spiritually sick people.

Why aren't you in the ICU?

[Rohirrim]

I don't need no damn church. I'm a Sith Lord.

[mhgaffney]

Brit,

The Balfour Declaration signaled the intent to create a Jewish homeland in Palestine. This became reality at the Versailles Conference after WW I.

Incidentally, there was nothing altruistic about it. Lord Balfour was a well known anti semite. It was purely done out of expedience -- a quid pro quo. The Zionists in the US used their considerable influence here to change the US policy of neutrality. The US media mounted the first Madison Avenue style propaganda campaign to drum up war fever. Americans were strongly opposed to US involvement -- but the propaganda machinery played on people's fears and emotions -- and it prevailed. The media portrayed Germans as Huns and the polls shifted in favor of war.

TE Lawrence was so dismayed by the betrayal of the Arabs at Versailles that afterward he refused a commission in the Royal AF --

The Germans also correctly understood the Versailles conference as a betrayal -- and this no doubt explains the hostility inside Germany for German Jews. Most Germans believed that the rich Jews of Germany had sold out the nation. Up until this time, German Jews were very well off -- very successful and fully integrated into German society. There was little anti semitism before these developments.

As for Germany winning the war -- yeah, check it out. The US entered the war late. The Germans whipped the Brits before we came in.

MHG

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Up until this time, German Jews were very well off -- very successful and fully integrated into German society. There was little anti semitism before these developments.

Bull.

Even Wikipedia knows you're full of ****.

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

As for Germany winning the war -- yeah, check it out. The US entered the war late. The Germans whipped the Brits before we came in.

Why would the English allow the Americans to save them from defeat in a war that they, themselves, staged?

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Brit,

The Balfour Declaration signaled the intent to create a Jewish homeland in Palestine. This became reality at the Versailles Conference after WW I.

Incidentally, there was nothing altruistic about it. Lord Balfour was a well known anti semite. It was purely done out of expedience -- a quid pro quo. The Zionists in the US used their considerable influence here to change the US policy of neutrality. The US media mounted the first Madison Avenue style propaganda campaign to drum up war fever. Americans were strongly opposed to US involvement -- but the propaganda machinery played on people's fears and emotions -- and it prevailed. The media portrayed Germans as Huns and the polls shifted in favor of war.

TE Lawrence was so dismayed by the betrayal of the Arabs at Versailles that afterward he refused a commission in the Royal AF --

The Germans also correctly understood the Versailles conference as a betrayal -- and this no doubt explains the hostility inside Germany for German Jews. Most Germans believed that the rich Jews of Germany had sold out the nation. Up until this time, German Jews were very well off -- very successful and fully integrated into German society. There was little anti semitism before these developments.As for Germany winning the war -- yeah, check it out. The US entered the war late. The Germans whipped the Brits before we came in.

MHG

That is a blatantly false statement. Anti-semitism was rampant throughout Europe in the 19th century. When it comes to anti-semitism, you couldn't slide a hair between the views of Hitler and the views of Kaiser Wilhelm II. Hell, Martin Luther was one of the great anti-semitic preachers of all time, advocating the burning down of all synagogues and the massacre of all Jewish men, women and children. The tradition of anti-semitism in Germany goes back hundreds of years.

The number one cause for the U.S. entry into WWI was Germany's declaration that they would carry on unrestricted submarine warfare against all shipping trying to supply England (at that time, the "civilized" world considered submarine warfare treacherous and barbaric) and the subsequent sinking of the Lusitania, which enraged the American people as a moral issue.

You're an idiot.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Brit,

The Balfour Declaration signaled the intent to create a Jewish homeland in Palestine. This became reality at the Versailles Conference after WW I.

Incidentally, there was nothing altruistic about it. Lord Balfour was a well known anti semite. It was purely done out of expedience -- a quid pro quo. The Zionists in the US used their considerable influence here to change the US policy of neutrality. The US media mounted the first Madison Avenue style propaganda campaign to drum up war fever. Americans were strongly opposed to US involvement -- but the propaganda machinery played on people's fears and emotions -- and it prevailed. The media portrayed Germans as Huns and the polls shifted in favor of war.

TE Lawrence was so dismayed by the betrayal of the Arabs at Versailles that afterward he refused a commission in the Royal AF --

The Germans also correctly understood the Versailles conference as a betrayal -- and this no doubt explains the hostility inside Germany for German Jews. Most Germans believed that the rich Jews of Germany had sold out the nation. Up until this time, German Jews were very well off -- very successful and fully integrated into German society. There was little anti semitism before these developments.

As for Germany winning the war -- yeah, check it out. The US entered the war late. The Germans whipped the Brits before we came in.

MHG

You write utter nonsense, Gaffney, but nice try at deflecting away from your ignorance.

Now get back to telling us all about this bull****:

Germany had won the war and offered England very generous terms

When did this happen and what were the 'generous terms' offered??

If you don't know, then admit you pull it out of your a$$, as usual, and move on.

[ghwk]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

A church is a hospital for spiritually sick people. If someone acts as though they arent making mistakes in their life, they're probably the people you dont really want to get to know all that well.

So if you use that analogy it follows that people come out of the churspital addicted to a religion. Is that a healthy thing?

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

That is a blatantly false statement. Anti-semitism was rampant throughout Europe in the 19th century. When it comes to anti-semitism, you couldn't slide a hair between the views of Hitler and the views of Kaiser Wilhelm II. Hell, Martin Luther was one of the great anti-semitic preachers of all time, advocating the burning down of all synagogues and the massacre of all Jewish men, women and children. The tradition of anti-semitism in Germany goes back hundreds of years.

The number one cause for the U.S. entry into WWI was Germany's declaration that they would carry on unrestricted submarine warfare against all shipping trying to supply England (at that time, the "civilized" world considered submarine warfare treacherous and barbaric) and the subsequent sinking of the Lusitania, which enraged the American people as a moral issue.

You're an idiot.

Congratulations. You are repeating cliches.

Where did you cull that line? From some Zionist web site?

Yes, there may have been anti semitism in Poland and Russia during that period -- but not in Germany.

Check out this address by Benjamin Freedman, a US Jew and a successful businessman, who was personally acquainted with Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Bernard Baruch, Joe Kennedy, etc.

In 1961 Freedman tried to warn Americans about Zionism, which he knew intimately from personal experience. Needless to say, no one listened,.
MHG

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

Why would the English allow the Americans to save them from defeat in a war that they, themselves, staged?

Simple. Because they got beat.

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Simple. Because they got beat.

Huh?

So, they completely ****ed up in their covert operations to cause Germany to invade France (their eternal mortal enemy)?

And they did it by covertly assassinating a Austro-Hungarian King?

Really? I mean really?