Al Qaeada Confirms OBL Killed

[KO5K]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

She specified a country in, and then the entire continent.

You are not very smart, man.

Neither is someone who suggests that Al-Qaeda don't 'really' target Europe. What kind of ignorant dumbass would say such a thing? If you're going to come into a thread and talk about Al-Qaeda and their actions towards the West, at least know what the hell you're talking about.

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by KO5K

Neither is someone who suggests that Al-Qaeda don't 'really' target Europe. What kind of ignorant dumbass would say such a thing? If you're going to come into a thread and talk about Al-Qaeda and their actions towards the West, at least know what the hell you're talking about.

You are getting overly upset over nothing. Simmer down, Cybill.

[Miss I.]

Originally Posted by KO5K

Neither is someone who suggests that Al-Qaeda don't 'really' target Europe. What kind of ignorant dumbass would say such a thing? If you're going to come into a thread and talk about Al-Qaeda and their actions towards the West, at least know what the hell you're talking about.

For ****s sake I am well aware they already target Europe. I live here you jackass. But you kept yammering about how it was all about The Americans.

Let me simplify what I was trying to say:
Everyone is guilty of wronging someone. Not just Americans. It does not make it okay to blow up buildings because you are pissed. And yes while I think this also applies to the US applying it's own private revenge/justice across the world (we are NOT always right. I am aware of that), Osama was a danger to the world. Ideally, he would've been brought in and stood trial, but if in fact he shot on the guys trying to bring him in, death is justifiable. Not all our tactics are just, but your argument appeared to me to be saying, "Well Americans deserved it because they killed Muslims." Maybe that's the wrong spin on your argument, but that is how it appeared.

I was trying to debate your argument, not attack you personally, but you attacked me personally and I did not deserve that. May the world treat you kindly, I really do mean that. All we can do in the world is try to listen and try to be kind. The world can always use a little more kindness.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by KO5K

If you read the link I provided earlier you'll see that the numbers killed in 9/11 is insignificant to the number of innocent Muslims killed by the Americans. I'm not trying to defend this man in anyway, what he did was inexcusable, but don't act all superior. The actions of the US far outweigh any of those by OBL and Al-Qaeda and if Americans want to try and justify killing Bin Laden well then there are thousands if not millions out there who are more than within their right to justify his actions.

Your entire argument and the chart provided in the article are entirely specious.

[TheReverend]

Can we petition TJ to dub this "the offseason of conspiracies"?

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Al Qaeada confirms the kill of Osama and threatens retaliation.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...den/index.html

...but I thought Gaff said he died a decade ago! Terrorists in on conspiracy?

I'm sorry -- but this report falls short of confirmation. This is CNN --not Al Qaeda (assuming for the moment Al Qaeda actually exists).

Al Jazeera would be a more credible source as regards militant Islam. I will wait to see.

[The Lone Bolt]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

I'm sorry -- but this report falls short of confirmation. This is CNN --not Al Qaeda (assuming for the moment Al Qaeda actually exists).

Al Jazeera would be a more credible source as regards militant Islam. I will wait to see.

Al-Jazeera English:

Al-Qaeda has confirmed the death of its leader, Osama bin Laden, and said in an online posting that it will continue to launch attacks on the West.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/as...729467729.html

[TonyR]

When the al-Qaida attacks on 9/11 were followed by a debate about whether the campaign to defeat Osama bin Laden and his network should be thought of as police work or war, I was surprised. The idea of a "war on terror" seemed obviously inappropriate, even as a metaphor. In its structure and modus operandi, al-Qaida and other terrorist networks were and are more like international criminal organizations -- drug smuggling or prostitution cartels, for example -- than like states. The U.S. military might supplement law enforcement efforts, if countries protected bin Laden, as the Taliban regime did in Afghanistan before it was deposed and as it now appears elements of the Pakistani government must have done for many years. But apart from raids like the one in which bin Laden was killed, the chief responsibility for identifying jihadist networks and disrupting planned acts of terrorism would lie with intelligence agencies and law enforcement officials.

It soon became clear that I did not understand my own country. In a remarkably short period of time, the right managed to persuade the American people to think of jihadist terrorism as war, not crime. Al-Qaida's transnational network of militants, and the imitators it inspired, was treated as though they were the equivalents of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Instead of being treated as the equivalent of the terrorist Carlos the Jackal, bin Laden was promoted to the status of Hitler or Stalin.

The campaign to defend America and its allies against al-Qaida was a war. A Long War. A Global War on Terror.

Read the rest here: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w..._iv/index.html

[Boobs McGee]

Lol at THIS thread getting moved...pretty selective eh mods?

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by TonyR

When the al-Qaida attacks on 9/11 were followed by a debate about whether the campaign to defeat Osama bin Laden and his network should be thought of as police work or war, I was surprised. The idea of a "war on terror" seemed obviously inappropriate, even as a metaphor. In its structure and modus operandi, al-Qaida and other terrorist networks were and are more like international criminal organizations -- drug smuggling or prostitution cartels, for example -- than like states. The U.S. military might supplement law enforcement efforts, if countries protected bin Laden, as the Taliban regime did in Afghanistan before it was deposed and as it now appears elements of the Pakistani government must have done for many years. But apart from raids like the one in which bin Laden was killed, the chief responsibility for identifying jihadist networks and disrupting planned acts of terrorism would lie with intelligence agencies and law enforcement officials.

It soon became clear that I did not understand my own country. In a remarkably short period of time, the right managed to persuade the American people to think of jihadist terrorism as war, not crime. Al-Qaida's transnational network of militants, and the imitators it inspired, was treated as though they were the equivalents of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Instead of being treated as the equivalent of the terrorist Carlos the Jackal, bin Laden was promoted to the status of Hitler or Stalin.

The campaign to defend America and its allies against al-Qaida was a war. A Long War. A Global War on Terror.

Read the rest here: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w..._iv/index.html

Right.

The Cold War was long over and the US needed an enemy to justify the vast military spending. We have a war based economy. We don't produce consumer goods any more.

We are also in a parallel situation to the British empire -- at the start of the 20th century. Like us, the Brits pursued free trade with a vengeance after 1845 -- with the result that by the 1860s-70s the British economy resembled ours. As investment capital went abroad -- so did jobs. Without reinvestment at home the British economy suffered through a great depression -- with falling wages. Many British industrial towns resembled our rust belt.

The only people who flourished were the London financiers and merchant banks, which were closely allied with the crown. Sound familiar?

Meanwhile, Germany was coming on strong -- like China, India and Brazil today. The Germans had a different (better) economic model, characterized as labor friendly and committed to reinvestment at home, high wages, near full employment -- and social stability -- no class warfare.

The British responded to the German "threat" by invading South Africa to get control over the region's vast mineral wealth -- including the world's most profitable gold mines. The Brits fought and won the bloody Boer War -- and gained a vast infusion of wealth that bought time for the British empire. Sound familiar?

Later, the Brits staged WW I to pre-empt the German threat.

The parallels with our time are striking. Expect the US to stage continuing wars -- just like the Brits did -- wars that will exhaust the US just like WW I and II exhausted the British empire. The added problem, of course, is that this strategy for world domination will probably lead to use of nukes, at some point.

That is -- unless the American people now take back our country.

[baja]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Right.

The Cold War was long over and the US needed an enemy to justify the vast military spending. We have a war based economy. We don't produce consumer goods any more.

We are also in a parallel situation to the British empire -- at the start of the 20th century. Like us, the Brits pursued free trade with a vengeance after 1845 -- with the result that by the 1860s-70s the British economy resembled ours. As investment capital went abroad -- so did jobs. Without reinvestment at home the British economy suffered through a great depression -- with falling wages. Many British industrial towns resembled our rust belt.

The only people who flourished were the London financiers and merchant banks, which were closely allied with the crown. Sound familiar?

Meanwhile, Germany was coming on strong -- like China, India and Brazil today. The Germans had a different (better) economic model, characterized as labor friendly and committed to reinvestment at home, high wages, near full employment -- and social stability -- no class warfare.

The British responded to the German "threat" by invading South Africa to get control over the region's vast mineral wealth -- including the world's most profitable gold mines. The Brits fought and won the bloody Boer War -- and gained a vast infusion of wealth that bought time for the British empire. Sound familiar?

Later, the Brits staged WW I to pre-empt the German threat.

The parallels with our time are striking. Expect the US to stage continuing wars -- just like the Brits did -- wars that will exhaust the US just like WW I and II exhausted the British empire. The added problem, of course, is that this strategy for world domination will probably lead to use of nukes, at some point.

That is -- unless the American people now take back our country.

The current crop of young American does not have the vision or intestinal fortitude to do that, they have been deeply conditioned. Technology has made this time incomparable to any other time in history.

[Obushma]

Originally Posted by baja

The current crop of young American does not have the vision or intestinal fortitude to do that, they have been deeply conditioned. Technology has made this time incomparable to any other time in history.

Can't expect kids to know any better when their parents are ****ing sheep.

[Meck77]

Originally Posted by baja

The current crop of young American does not have the vision or intestinal fortitude to do that, they have been deeply conditioned. Technology has made this time incomparable to any other time in history.

Yup! We need another 50 Million Americans to leave here and build personal survival bunkers in Mexico because they think it's too dangerous to live here.

That is the type of intestinal fortitude and vision we need from the past crop of Americans to rebuild this country.

Hell even Ghaffney is holding his ground amongst us.


Viva USA!



In judging others a man laboreth in vain; he often erreth, and easily falleth into sin; but in judging and examining himself he always laboreth to good purpose.

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[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Later, the Brits staged WW I to pre-empt the German threat.

Not a watcher of the Royal Wedding, eh?

Is there anything that happens in the world that isn't because some shadowy nefarious force made it happen?

You're the epitome of the idiotic conspiracy monger.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by ChampBailey24

honestly, i feel like im talking to a bunch of george bush clones over here. if you are so for killing bin laden and ending Al Qaeda why aren't you over there fighting a pointless fight as well?

...I did

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Right.

The Cold War was long over and the US needed an enemy to justify the vast military spending. We have a war based economy. We don't produce consumer goods any more.

We are also in a parallel situation to the British empire -- at the start of the 20th century. Like us, the Brits pursued free trade with a vengeance after 1845 -- with the result that by the 1860s-70s the British economy resembled ours. As investment capital went abroad -- so did jobs. Without reinvestment at home the British economy suffered through a great depression -- with falling wages. Many British industrial towns resembled our rust belt.

The only people who flourished were the London financiers and merchant banks, which were closely allied with the crown. Sound familiar?

Meanwhile, Germany was coming on strong -- like China, India and Brazil today. The Germans had a different (better) economic model, characterized as labor friendly and committed to reinvestment at home, high wages, near full employment -- and social stability -- no class warfare.

The British responded to the German "threat" by invading South Africa to get control over the region's vast mineral wealth -- including the world's most profitable gold mines. The Brits fought and won the bloody Boer War -- and gained a vast infusion of wealth that bought time for the British empire. Sound familiar?

Later, the Brits staged WW I to pre-empt the German threat.

The parallels with our time are striking. Expect the US to stage continuing wars -- just like the Brits did -- wars that will exhaust the US just like WW I and II exhausted the British empire. The added problem, of course, is that this strategy for world domination will probably lead to use of nukes, at some point.

That is -- unless the American people now take back our country.

History according to a nazi apologist. Shockingly you have a pro-german slant. Who knew.

[Obushma]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

History according to a nazi apologist. Shockingly you have a pro-german slant. Who knew.

Any chance you can link me to a post where Gaffney states he supported or supports Nazism?

[TonyR]

Not in any way endorsing these sentiments, just passing them along...


Somewhere, according to one of his five wives, was a man who loved sunflowers, and eating yogurt with honey; who took his children to the beach, and let them sleep under the stars; who enjoyed the BBC World Service and would go hunting with friends each Friday, sometimes mounted, like the Prophet, on a white horse. He liked the comparison. Yet the best thing in his life, he said, was that his jihads had destroyed the myth of all-conquering superpowers.

... The difference between pure Muslims and Americans, he said, was that Americans loved life, whereas Muslims loved death. Whether or not he resisted when the Crusaders’ special forces arrived, their bullets could only exalt him.

http://www.economist.com/node/18648254

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Not in any way endorsing these sentiments, just passing them along...


Somewhere, according to one of his five wives, was a man who loved sunflowers, and eating yogurt with honey; who took his children to the beach, and let them sleep under the stars; who enjoyed the BBC World Service and would go hunting with friends each Friday, sometimes mounted, like the Prophet, on a white horse. He liked the comparison. Yet the best thing in his life, he said, was that his jihads had destroyed the myth of all-conquering superpowers.

... The difference between pure Muslims and Americans, he said, was that Americans loved life, whereas Muslims loved death. Whether or not he resisted when the Crusaders’ special forces arrived, their bullets could only exalt him.

http://www.economist.com/node/18648254

Hitler loved dogs, children (not in a pedo way) and drawing. He is still a murdering SOB. Does liking sunflowers or taking his kids to the beach change what OBL did?

So odd how some people purposely try to find good in evil people.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

History according to a nazi apologist. Shockingly you have a pro-german slant. Who knew.

I have always been anti Nazi.

The German economic model had nothing to do with the Nazis. It pre-dated the Nazis by 3-4 decades - -and continues today -- a half century after the Nazis.

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

I have always been anti Nazi.

The German economic model had nothing to do with the Nazis. It pre-dated the Nazis by 3-4 decades - -and continues today -- a half century after the Nazis.

Thats nice.

Dont you have a Goebbels convention to prep for?

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Thats nice.

Dont you have a Goebbels convention to prep for?

And yet, unless I have you confused with somebody else (apologies in advance if I do), you support Nazi style "enhanced interrogation techniques"...

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

History according to a nazi apologist. Shockingly you have a pro-german slant. Who knew.

You have a problem with high wages?
Near full employment?
A labor friendly economic policy?
Long term investment at home?
A class free society?
Social stability?

Your posts show the power of brain washing and propaganda. You have been brainwashed to vote against your own interests -- and against the interests of your countrymen -- and to support parties/policies that favor only a tiny segment of the population even as they export war, death and destruction.

Guys like you keep telling us that predatory capitalism -- also known as crony capitalism -- is inevitable. Some even have the cheek to claim it is divinely inspired. (We are told that Jesus was a capitalist!)

Then -- the pinnacle of this propaganda system -- is that you cannot hear voices of dissent -- even as you blame our problems on a faceless enemy half way around the planet.

The system that has brain washed you is far far more sophisticated than the propaganda machinery available to the Nazis. Madison Avenue makes Goebbels look like a rank amateur.

You are a pawn and you don't even know it.

[TonyR]

Don't shoot the messenger!

In April 2002, the head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, informed the press that after the most intensive investigation in history, the FBI could say no more than that it “believed” that the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, though implemented in the UAE and Germany. What they only believed in April 2002, they obviously didn’t know 8 months earlier, when Washington dismissed tentative offers by the Taliban (how serious, we do not know, because they were instantly dismissed) to extradite bin Laden if they were presented with evidence—which, as we soon learned, Washington didn’t have. Thus Obama was simply lying when he said, in his White House statement, that “we quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda.”

Nothing serious has been provided since. There is much talk of bin Laden’s “confession,” but that is rather like my confession that I won the Boston Marathon. He boasted of what he regarded as a great achievement.

http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652...eaction_to_os/

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

You are a pawn and you don't even know it.

You're a turd and you've been told it.

Many times.