Black 9/11: A Walk on the Dark Side

[sakuraba]

it's a madhouse I tell you! get you stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape....oh and it has electrolytes

[The Lone Bolt]

Originally Posted by orangeandblueblooded

What's funny is that ghaffney, who by all accounts is a nut by everyone, is actually citing reports and doing research.

Than he is called crazy or insulted without anyone trying to discredit the actual evidence.

I'm not saying he's right, I'm just pointing out What is wrong with this site.

People would rather not pay attention to what is being said if they disagree with it on the surface.

Debate is neccesary, but it requires logic and patience and an ability to listen.

This place is maddening sometimes.

You must be new here.

Plenty on this forum have shown Gaffney exactly why he is wrong. His "research" has been thoroughly discredited -- time and time again. Gaffney just ignores it.

The reason nobody bothers anymore is that showing Gaffney why he is wrong is a waste of time.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by orangeandblueblooded

What's funny is that ghaffney, who by all accounts is a nut by everyone, is actually citing reports and doing research.

No. He and the other troofers are just a circle jerk.

Giving gaffe any credibility means you're the pivot man.

And speaking of listening - many of us have shown gaffe wrong time and again across a vast range of subjects - and he hasn't listened. He disappears for a while, and then comes back making the exact same "argument".

He also suffers from a Messiah complex - in spades.

Trust me, he doesn't need you to stand up for him. You'd hurt more than help.

[baja]

Originally Posted by orangeandblueblooded

What's funny is that ghaffney, who by all accounts is a nut by everyone, is actually citing reports and doing research.

Than he is called crazy or insulted without anyone trying to discredit the actual evidence.

I'm not saying he's right, I'm just pointing out What is wrong with this site.

People would rather not pay attention to what is being said if they disagree with it on the surface.

Debate is neccesary, but it requires logic and patience and an ability to listen.

This place is maddening sometimes.

I don't think Mark is a nut.

[mhgaffney]

Sakuraba,

Notice, the knee jerks never mention the substantive issues covered in my footnoted papers.

Instead, they attack me -- the messenger.

[mhgaffney]

If this story turns out to be true-- it shows what an insane country we live in. The authorities continue the cover up -- and the extent of it is breathtaking.

MHG

City ghouls grab '9/11' cop corpse
Shock grieving family at wake

By LORENA MONGELLI and CHUCK BENNETT
March 30, 2011

It was the gravest disrespect for a fallen cop.

The city was so hellbent on proving that an NYPD cop didn't die of a 9/11-related illness that morgue workers were dispatched to a funeral home to take away the body while his grieving family was holding memorial services, The Post has learned.

"Ten minutes before the wake, the Medical Examiner called us and said they need to reclaim the body," said Howard Wong, 40, whose brother, George, died after a two-year battle with gastric cancer Thursday at age 48.
"The Health Department had issues with the wording on the cause of death -- that he died from exposure to 9/11 toxins -- and they ordered the Medical Examiner's Office to do it over," Wong said.

'They totally disrespected our family. Now my brother can’t even rest in peace because of this.' — Howard Wong (above, with parents), brother of deceased NYPD cop George Wong

The family was permitted to carry out the open-casket wake Monday night, but the body was taken by the ME's office around 10 p.m. -- forcing Wong's relatives to postpone yesterday's planned viewing and also delay his cremation and funeral.

"They totally disrespected our family. Now my brother can't even rest in peace because of this," the younger brother said. "I feel horrible, my mother is crying."

George Wong, who received a disability retirement in 2006 after 20 years on the force, always believed his disease was caused by his time at Ground Zero following the 9/11 attacks.

His hospice doctor, Lyla Correoso, agreed, writing "cancer" from "9/11 toxic exposure" on his death certificate.

But a Department of Health bureaucrat sounded the alarm after spotting the finding on the funeral home's cremation permit.

The city's official policy remains that there is no conclusive link between exposure to Ground Zero toxins and "emerging illnesses, including cancer," said Health Department spokeswoman Susan Craig.

Wong's furious family refused to permit an autopsy, so the Medical Examiner's Office did an "external examination," photographed the body, and changed the cause of death to "pending."

Only after any mention of 9/11 was scrubbed from his death certificate was the family allowed to collect the body yesterday -- at their own expense. An abbreviated wake, cremation and funeral -- complete with NYPD pallbearers -- is scheduled for today.

Wong, who spent several weeks doing security after the Twin Towers fell, should be treated better by the city, his former colleagues said.
"It's reprehensible. You don't give the body back to the morgue," said a police source who knew Wong. "Even perps don't deserve this. It's about being a human being. Everyone is livid over this."
Correoso stood by her findings.

"He did so much for us and that's why it was so important for me to get this right," the doctor said. "When I asked him if he would do it [work at Ground Zero] again, he said, 'Absolutely, I would go. I'm a police officer.' "

Additional reporting by Jamie Schram
lorena.mongelli@nypost.com

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/c...9f0jD2EjGERHLM

[mhgaffney]

Check out this terrific film -- ANTHRAX WAR

It's a seven part documentary about the 2001 Anthrax attacks. In the first segment Sen Leahy -- who was one of the targets -- goes on record in a Senate hearing that he believes the attack was a conspiracy.

[mhgaffney]

Breakthrough research on 9/11:

Evidence for Nuclear Fission at the WTC

Check out this amazingly detailed analysis based on the USGS study of the World Trade Center dust.

In the weeks and months after 9/11 the US Geological Survey gathered dust samples from 35 locations in south Manhattan.

Jeff Prager shows that the kinds and ratios of the elements that the USGS found in the WTC dust perfectly conform to the expected breakdown products from nuclear fission.

The signature of nuclear fission is unique -- and unmistakable.

If Prager's analysis holds up -- it is definitive for the use of nuclear charges at the WTC on 9/11.

get the free download here:

Part 1: http://www.box.net/shared/9duecajohk
Part 2: http://www.box.net/shared/h81kjfkvg9

[W*GS]

This is the same Jeff Prager who claims

The massive 8.9 Honshu-Japan Earthquake may have been triggered intentionally by the UK/US/Israeli Triumvirate by the CIA/MI6/Mossad and US military as a response to Japanese Politician’s intention to move the US Military bases out of Japan, similar to the Massive Mount Pinatubo Volcanic Eruption and Earthquake in the Luzon region of the Philippines in 1991, during the Senate and Congressional proceedings not to renew the US Military bases there and move them out of the Philippines.

Total lunatic. Certifiable nutjob. Insane, in a clinical sense.

And gaffe is a fanboy. Of course.

[DenverBrit]

That may be the craziest crap a Troofer has come up with in ages.

No wonder Gaff humps his leg like a drooling sycophant.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by W*GS

This is the same Jeff Prager who claims



Total lunatic. Certifiable nutjob. Insane, in a clinical sense.

And gaffe is a fanboy. Of course.

This thread is about 9/11 --- not ***ushima.

You need to STFU and review the evidence Prager has presented. He has shown that the elements found in the WTC dust correspond to the break down products -- not only the type but also in the correct ratios -- at every point in the chain.

If his analysis is correct -- the matter is solved. The signature of fission is unique. The USGA never attempted to explain what they found in the WTC dust. Nor did Dr Thomas Cahill from UC Davis -- tho he pointed out that his Delta team had never seen the elements and nano particles they found at the WTC before, not anywhere. This was not typical air pollution from fossil fuels or any other familiar source.

You need to stick with facts and explain why Prager's analysis is wrong. Give me particulars. Your standard harangue is not good enough.

[W*GS]

Since Prager believes the Great Tohoku earthquake (and the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo as well) were the result of sinister Dark Forces (including Jews), what makes his comments about fission products from 9/11 have any credibility whatsoever?

The little excerpt I posted is but the tip of the lunacy from Mr. Prager.

No wonder you love the man, gaffe.

[mhgaffney]

W*gs refuses to debate the issue at hand -- standard for him.

No surprise.

I can't recall a single instance where he's actually debated an issue on the facts in the case.

But W*gs is not unique. This is what passes for normal in our nation, these days.

The standard reaction is - I don't want to watch this show anymore -- someone flip channel.

[mhgaffney]

Einstein believed in crustal displacement. Does this discredit relativity? Of course not.

Isaac Newton believed in alchemy. Does this discredit his Principia and the law of gravity? Of course not.

Deal with the issue -- here -- or STFU.

[W*GS]

Here's the essentials...

1) gaffe won't accept that al-Qaeda destroyed the WTC, so he proposes controlled demolition at the hands of elements of the US government, up to and including Dick Cheney.
2) When it's pointed out that keeping the preparations for CD a secret is impossible, he proposes "nanothermite", remotely controlled (or something like that).
3) Even nanothermite would require tons of material to accomplish the CD - and given the amount of energy required, gaffe has to come up with something else. Nuclear weapons fit the bill, but ooooops:
4) To make up for a lack of fission products or radioactivity in the WTC debris, he proposes red-mercury-powered pure-fusion mini-nukes. Neatly gets rid of the problems with fission nukes - but creates the problem that such devices do not exist. "Red mercury" is a mythical substance.
5) Now that some lunatic has claimed that fission products are in fact in the WTC debris, gaffe throws his pure-fusion mini-nukes under the bus and is back to claiming fission weapons were used. That gets around the problem that his mini-nukes are fantasy.

But wait - his source for the claims that fission products were in the WTC debris is a *in*credible loony, who also claims that Pinatubo was engineered, as was the Tohoku earthquake, for nefarious reasons.

gaffe, you're not going to sell anyone who's sane on your nonsense. Period.

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

[SIZE="4"][Almots 40% of german citizens believe that there is some sort of secret world government. Even more think, the german government is criminal - an 50% are convinced that they are completely surveilled.

Wait...

You mean the people who attempted to conquer the world twice in a 20 year period and exposed humanity to some of its worst moments collectively believe that a big scary shadow government exists?...

Tell me another one, grandpa.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Einstein believed in crustal displacement. Does this discredit relativity? Of course not.

Isaac Newton believed in alchemy. Does this discredit his Principia and the law of gravity? Of course not.

Deal with the issue -- here -- or STFU.

So Jeff Prager is as credible an expert in his field as Einstein and Newton??

What exactly are Prager's qualifications and expertise??

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Deal with the issue -- here -- or STFU.

In the words of someone great,

Follow your own advice, ****head.

[Obushma]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Wait...

You mean the people who attempted to conquer the world twice in a 20 year period and exposed humanity to some of its worst moments collectively believe that a big scary shadow government exists?...

Tell me another one, grandpa.

Yeah, Germans that were in WWI and II represent the majority of Germans alive today. All those crazy 85+ Nazi's rolling around in their wheelchairs shouting conspiracy.

You must not be a history buff, we brought all those crazy Nazi's over here with Project Paperclip.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Wait...

You mean the people who attempted to conquer the world twice in a 20 year period and exposed humanity to some of its worst moments collectively believe that a big scary shadow government exists?...

Tell me another one, grandpa.

I have no idea where you got that quote...that you attribute to me.

For the record -- I never posted it.

[TDmvp]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

I have no idea where you got that quote...that you attribute to me.

For the record -- I never posted it.

For the record it's a quote from your own post.

Dude you are the dumbest smart guy I have ever seen... For the record.


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpos...98&postcount=3

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

here is the Bauer Press release:

Poll by magazine "Welt der Wunder" : Who do the germans still believe?

Almots 40% of german citizens believe that there is some sort of secret world government. Even more think, the german government is criminal - an 50% are convinced that they are completely surveilled.

[mhgaffney]

I repeat -- never posted that. I don't believe that -- and would never have posted it.

[mhgaffney]

BTW, I am vetting Prager's paper with a number of nuclear experts -- and will post the results in a few days.

The evaluation will be based on the issues -- and not because Prager espouses some other theory I do not agree with.

Science works on a case by case basis.

May 3, 2011

To follow up:

I asked Dr. Frank Barnaby, a former nuclear weapons designer for the UK, to review Prager's paper. I also asked Dr Bill Deagle to look at it. Deagle is an MD who also owns an advanced degree in physics.

They both concluded that Prager doesn't know what he's talking about. Based on this recommendation, I dropped Prager's paper from consideration for my next book, Black 9/11.

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

new poll in Germany:

89% of Germans do not believe official story about 9/11

A recent poll in the german magazine "Welt der Wunder" conducted by the well known Emnid Institute results in astonishing 89% of the german respondents not believing the official line 9/11. The magazine in 2010 already published the story of NATOs "secret nuclear war", where the consequences of the widespread use of depleted uranium ammunitions were explained.
http://weltderwunder.de.msn.com/tv-s...ntid=155624838


here is the Bauer Press release:

Poll by magazine "Welt der Wunder" : Who do the germans still believe?

Almots 40% of german citizens believe that there is some sort of secret world government. Even more think, the german government is criminal - an 50% are convinced that they are completely surveilled.
These are the result of a representative poll of 1005 men and women older tha 14 years of the Emnid Istitute - exclusively for the magazine.

The polling institute as well as the editors of the magazine are calling the result "scary and suprising".

Deep mistrust of that what politicians claim to be the truth is not a marginal phenomen. Almost 90 % of germans
are convinced, that the US- government ist not telling us the real truth about the attacks of 9/11, two thirds thinks the german government can be blackmailed.

"Such an widespread opinion is a strong warning for our politicians," says political scientist Nils Diederich, Professor at the Freie Universität Berlin. " I am appealing to the federal government to react."

The complete result of the poll is published in the magazine 1/2001

http://www.bauermedia.de/weltderwunder.html?&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=750&tx_ttnews[backPid]=4&cHash=6e15318bbc#content

It's the second post in the thread...

[TDmvp]

Proves one thing for sure , Gaff cut and paste crap so much and don't read it he doesn't even know what his own post say half the time.

Find a post that in some way backs up his BS , post it and not even know what half of it says.


Classic Gaffstapo...