OT: Remake's

[Miss I.]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

So you think "The Last Starfighter" had a good premise?

And I've got news for you... the iconic ones are the ones being remade.

Of the 80s remakes:

Arthur - iconic
Conan the Barbarian - iconic
Red Dawn - iconic

(not mentioning Star Trek and Karate Kid reboots)

And most recently in the remake category - True Grit won an academy award and a golden globe

eh, I think it was an okay movie but could be remade because it wasn't that great to begin with. I only vaguely recall my little brother loving it.

Arthur and Conan maybe iconic. Red Dawn is most certainly not an iconic movie. I know a lot of guys in the 80s love it, but the original story was okay and while it launched some careers it certainly was NOT iconic in the way that even The Outsiders was.
Star Trek was iconic, Karate Kid while I enjoyed the series and certainly had images that are deeply entrenched in pop culture (Wax on Wax off still amuses me), it was never untouchable. Friday the 13th created iconic images but it isn't untouchable because while the facemask thing is iconic, nothing about it can't be done again and definitely done better (though I've yet to see anything good out of that franchise except maybe Kevin Bacon).

Let me edit then, iconic films should be considered very carefully when they remake or reboot them. The Psycho remake from a very iconic film was a mistake and should never have been done. If they ever remake Casablanca I will throw my television set and DVD player in the trash and tell hollywood to go **** itself.

True Grit, I won't watch. It may very well be a good film in its own right, separate from the John Wayne original, but to me, there was no reason other than innate laziness on the part of Hollywood to find new stories and stop "reimagining" the same ones. I like the Coen brothers but I won't watch that movie regardless of Hollywood giving itself all sorts of praise for doing such a good job.

Rebooting and using same characters but not remaking is a bit more creative and why I liked Star Trek and the Batman films, but how do you reboot Princess Bride? You can't. you would remake it, which again is pointless like remaking Psycho shot for shot was a pointless vanity project.

[Miss I.]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Oh and they're trying to remake Ghostbusters as well (Bill Murray is dragging his feet)

not exactly. there is a sequel in works where the old guys pass the torch as it were to the new ghostbusters. not sure i am keen on that either but again nobody forces anyone to pay a ticket admission for a film.

When it comes down to it, hollywood will reboot, remake, anything they want to, but just because they can doesn't mean they should.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Oh and they're trying to remake Ghostbusters as well (Bill Murray is dragging his feet)

Its not that those movie are bad picks. Its just that those movie are special to me. Like Karate kid. I loved Karate kid even watch every time it comes on. When the new one came it sucked balls. And I don't want the Hollywood gods hear of those picks and remake those classics.

[HAT]

To me it's not really about how iconic a movie was or wasn't....If the powers that be in Hollywood think a reboot or remake will make money, it will get made. I'd just prefer that AT LEAST 35+ years go by before something gets recycled.

I just hit 40 so I'm finally starting to see movies I remembered as a kid get redone. Russel Brand was born to play Arthur so I get it. I doubt Red Dawn will be any good but I'll reserve judgement until I see it.

Let's go back to True Grit for a second.....I saw the original in the early 90's because I dig Westerns but that's not typical. I happened to love the original & the remake but I get how there is an entire generation out there that think it shouldn't have been remade. And there's another generation that couldn't sit through the original version if you paid them.

Bridge On the River Kwai is one of my all time favorite movies. To me it's iconic but I'd still love to see a modern version. WWII was all the rage in TV, movies & video games a few years ago so I say why not? But people who saw the original release when they were 30 probably hold it sacred because they were 15 during the war.

Same way my generation doesn't want to see The Breakfast Club or Ferris get remade anytime soon. But 20 years from now we will all give a wink and a nod when our Grand-kids think Breakfast Club 2030 is the best movie ever b/c it relates to their high school lives so much.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Movie like Breakfast club don't work anymore. Kids don't get detention anymore. Why would a kid need to play hooky when most parents are wimps now and make the call in sick without a thought.

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by d:-|

To me it's not really about how iconic a movie was or wasn't....If the powers that be in Hollywood think a reboot or remake will make money, it will get made. I'd just prefer that AT LEAST 35+ years go by before something gets recycled.

I just hit 40 so I'm finally starting to see movies I remembered as a kid get redone. Russel Brand was born to play Arthur so I get it. I doubt Red Dawn will be any good but I'll reserve judgement until I see it.

Let's go back to True Grit for a second.....I saw the original in the early 90's because I dig Westerns but that's not typical. I happened to love the original & the remake but I get how there is an entire generation out there that think it shouldn't have been remade. And there's another generation that couldn't sit through the original version if you paid them.

Bridge On the River Kwai is one of my all time favorite movies. To me it's iconic but I'd still love to see a modern version. WWII was all the rage in TV, movies & video games a few years ago so I say why not? But people who saw the original release when they were 30 probably hold it sacred because they were 15 during the war.

Same way my generation doesn't want to see The Breakfast Club or Ferris get remade anytime soon. But 20 years from now we will all give a wink and a nod when our Grand-kids think Breakfast Club 2030 is the best movie ever b/c it relates to their high school lives so much.

I believe Miss I said something about there only being 7 story ideas that exist, with every bit of literature/theater/movie taking a unique twist on one of the 7 ideas. The issue now is reboots and remakes are little more than a way to make easy money for the studio that undertakes it. In 25 years, they will remake Saving Private Ryan or Braveheart or Schindler's List. Not because they feel the movies are not finely made or deserve a remake, but because they can make money off of it.

I am willing to wager that right now some freak at Universal or 20th Century are Bronco fans, see this thread and decide that hey, Ferris Bueller 2 would be awesome. But lets make it so Ferris is a lesbian stuck in a Catholic School who pretends to be sick to go meet her GF and her mopey Emo best friend who may or may not be a hermaphrodite. Totally updating a classic...

Shenanigans, I say. There is nothing new under the sun, but that does not mean you have to remake the same **** over and over and over.

[HAT]

Originally Posted by Miss I.

Arthur and Conan maybe iconic. Red Dawn is most certainly not an iconic movie. I know a lot of guys in the 80s love it, but the original story was okay and while it launched some careers it certainly was NOT iconic in the way that even The Outsiders was.

True Grit, I won't watch. It may very well be a good film in its own right, separate from the John Wayne original, but to me, there was no reason other than innate laziness on the part of Hollywood to find new stories and stop "reimagining" the same ones. I like the Coen brothers but I won't watch that movie regardless of Hollywood giving itself all sorts of praise for doing such a good job.

If you were a teenage male when Red Dawn came out....It certainly was iconic. Every bit as much as The Outsiders.

As for True Grit...I don't think Western remakes are a result of studio laziness so much as a lack of decent original screenplays in the genre. Sure, every now and again an Pale rider, Unforgiven, Open Range or Appaloosa comes along but they are few and far between. There is no more iconic genre IMO and yet I'd love to see reboots of the Ford, Peckinpah & even Leone classics someday.

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by UltimateSoldier

Movie like Breakfast club don't work anymore. Kids don't get detention anymore. Why would a kid need to play hooky when most parents are wimps now and make the call in sick without a thought.

I can imagine that conversation.
Hey dad...
yeah?
What is detention?
Well...thats what they did back when I was in school. You misbehaved you had to stay after class and study or clean up a class room...
that's lame. Why dont they just call their parents on their cell phone to call the principal about a violation of their civil rights?...
You know they used to paddle kids in school...
THATS TORTURE, CALL GENEVA...hey look, MTV5 has Jersey Shore reunion 2031...

[HAT]

Originally Posted by UltimateSoldier

Movie like Breakfast club don't work anymore. Kids don't get detention anymore. Why would a kid need to play hooky when most parents are wimps now and make the call in sick without a thought.

That's like saying a 3:10 to Yuma remake wouldn't work because people don't ride horses or depend on railroads anymore.

[HAT]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

I can imagine that conversation.
Hey dad...
yeah?
What is detention?
Well...thats what they did back when I was in school. You misbehaved you had to stay after class and study or clean up a class room...
that's lame. Why dont they just call their parents on their cell phone to call the principal about a violation of their civil rights?...
You know they used to paddle kids in school...
THATS TORTURE, CALL GENEVA...hey look, MTV5 has Jersey Shore reunion 2031...

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by d:-|

That's like saying a 3:10 to Yuma remake wouldn't work because people don't ride horses or depend on railroads anymore.

No. There is modern history and ancient history. I'm 35, but my 28 year old sister and she's never seen or used a rotary phone. If your 10 years old you've never seen or heard of a pay-phone. But a movie like "Holloween" I keep asking myself "Where is your effing cell phone!?!" Then you see them pull it out and it says no service. But how do you explain "Why you here?" "Detention" "?"

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by houghtam

That's Michael Bay for you. He also thinks that Cairo and the pyramids are right next to each other and on a coast. And that robots with testicles are funny.

This is the guy that ruined an awesome 80's toy frranchise. What can you expect for the moon missions?

It grossed $800+M worldwide and the original was over $700M, I'm sure Hasbro is ok with it.

The movie from the 80's grossed $5.8M.

[serious hops]

Originally Posted by d:-|

Michael Cera would own the Ferris role & Mintz-Plasse is as good of a Cameron that it gets.

Are you joking? Ferris was the epitome of smooth-- awkward is Cera's whole schpiel.

[Hogan11]

I was never big on Ferris Bueller...I seen it again recently and I don't think it's aged very well. It's one of those "you had to be there" flicks as far as I'm concerned.

If you wanna ruin a classic at least do it with some style....Redo Animal House with Neil Hamburger as Dean Wormer....it doesn't matter who else stars in it past that as long as it stays true to the original script.

[Doggcow]

I'm a huge fan of the Aliens and Predator franchises, I doubt they could do as good of a job as the originals though.

They'd CGI all the aliens and they'd never be as bad ass...

But if they could continue and expand the storylines, or explain the Space Jockey's, that would be awesome!

[Miss I.]

Originally Posted by d:-|

To me it's not really about how iconic a movie was or wasn't....If the powers that be in Hollywood think a reboot or remake will make money, it will get made. I'd just prefer that AT LEAST 35+ years go by before something gets recycled.

I just hit 40 so I'm finally starting to see movies I remembered as a kid get redone. Russel Brand was born to play Arthur so I get it. I doubt Red Dawn will be any good but I'll reserve judgement until I see it.

Let's go back to True Grit for a second.....I saw the original in the early 90's because I dig Westerns but that's not typical. I happened to love the original & the remake but I get how there is an entire generation out there that think it shouldn't have been remade. And there's another generation that couldn't sit through the original version if you paid them.

Bridge On the River Kwai is one of my all time favorite movies. To me it's iconic but I'd still love to see a modern version. WWII was all the rage in TV, movies & video games a few years ago so I say why not? But people who saw the original release when they were 30 probably hold it sacred because they were 15 during the war.

Same way my generation doesn't want to see The Breakfast Club or Ferris get remade anytime soon. But 20 years from now we will all give a wink and a nod when our Grand-kids think Breakfast Club 2030 is the best movie ever b/c it relates to their high school lives so much.

I can see this, but I guess I feel like they break out the remakes and reboots too easily these days and usually are the worse for it.

And as for the next generation yes they would have tougher time sitting through older movies. When my 17 year old nephew told me he thought Jaws was boring, I died a little on the inside. I mean the shark being cheesy I get (though honestly more recent shark movies have done no better, except that one with real sharks, Open Water). And after decades of idiot slasher sequels, I get why short attention spans have trouble with Psycho, but it makes me a little sad because I loved those movies.

[Willynowei]

One word: Westerns. I can't get enough of westerns.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by Willynowei

One word: Westerns. I can't get enough of westerns.

Agreed!

[bendog]

I didn't think 3:10 to Yuma worked because there simply was no way Crowe could match the Glen Ford character. Ford was the epitome of "strong silent" hero. His persona made the sinister side to the villan better. And Van Hefflin really was a weaker man in morality and personality than Ford. Yuma still worked as a remake because it's a strong story IF you didn't see the first one when you were still a kid.

I think True Grit will be different, and i'm actually looking forward to it. Personally, I thought the movie with John Wayne was ham handed. It was a vehicle for an aging John Wayne. But, it didn't make any attempt to keep the flavor of the book's dialogue, and the general illiteracy/earthiness of the characters. From what I see the Jeff Bridges one does. I expect a pretty different film. While the number of stories is limited, characters are not. Crowe copied Ford, and I suspect Bridges will play it differently.

If you like westerns, you can get most of Have Gun Will Travel, Wagon Train, a slice of Gunsmoke and others on streaming netflix

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Dune:

Actor:


Actress:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Starring: Denzel Washington and Gwynneth Paltrow

[epicSocialism4tw]

Starring: Barbara Streisand and Justin Bieber (as the ghoulie)

[epicSocialism4tw]

Starring: Danny McBride, Jeffrey Ross, Gilbert Gottfried, Michael Cera, Kristen Schaal, and Pink.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

Starring: Danny McBride, Jeffrey Ross, Gilbert Gottfried, Michael Cera, Kristen Schaal, and Pink.

But how would you explain "Dentention"?

[broncosteven]

Originally Posted by d:-|

To me it's not really about how iconic a movie was or wasn't....If the powers that be in Hollywood think a reboot or remake will make money, it will get made. I'd just prefer that AT LEAST 35+ years go by before something gets recycled...

True story,

Clark Gable made a movie called Red Dust with Harlow in 1932, 20 years later he stared in the remake with Eva Gardner and Grace ****ing Kelly in Mogambo.

That dude had the life!