Gold is now a bad investment.

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by baja

I think the USA will go to war before it allows any shift from the policy Kissinger orchestrated requiring oil be bought for in dollars only because it would crash the dollar and crash the economy.

As for gold & silver I never thought of them as an investment but rather a place to safety store assets durning uncertain times.

I would not hold dollars today and I would be leery of the market unless you really know what you are doing. I believe it is manipulated to rise and fall with those in the know buying and selling on Que..

Oddly enough I think we already did go to war over just that. WMD were in Iraq (according to locals) but were moved to Syria. Saddam was in Syria and then came back to hometown where ultimately he was caught. How we wandered in and out of our checkpoints without detection is funny.

Saudi is Sunni and 80% of Islamic world is Sunni. The Iranian revolution (Shi'a) sparked a change in the region that was not expected. We are positioned in Iraq (W of Iran) and Afghanistan (E of Iran). In Iraq the issue is Iranians but in Afghanistan the issue is Pakistan.

Borders are not as rigid as you would imagine and a lot of the old frustrations in this region are not going away in our lifetimes. Disturbances in Iran and Saudi Arabia? This region is not settling down for 20 years.

[baja]

Originally Posted by JJJ

If hedging is your primary goal you may want to hedge your dollar risk by buying a basket of currencies. This strategy wouldn't have the bubble risk of gold which in my opinion does exist to some degree.

I don't see gold dropping rapidly but it doesn't have too much left to climb.

Gold will trend up and down but steadily climbing and you will see 2000 an oz gold fairly soon.

[Odysseus]

The global debt clock is completely red. Think about that. There are zero countries in the green right now. The whole planet is awash in debt. What do you think the eventual solution will be? I think changes in currency markets are inevitable. You cannot have this kind of global misery without someone breaking ranks.

[baja]

Wealthy living career development and advancement includes the law of reciprocity which will bless you as you become a blessing to others. As you freely give kindness, your talents, prayers, well wishes, etc., you’ll receive more blessings back in return.

It will also make you more sensitive to spiritual things. In the process you’ll draw nearer to God with a greater clarity to receive His guidance. However, your ability to do this increases during alone times with God.

This doesn’t mean you can’t receive spiritual guidance for your career development during busy times or through others. But the peaceful times cement the connection between you and God.

http://www.the-way-to-wealthy-living...ciprocity.html

[JJJ]

Originally Posted by Odysseus

The global debt clock is completely red. Think about that. There are zero countries in the green right now. The whole planet is awash in debt. What do you think the eventual solution will be? I think changes in currency markets are inevitable. You cannot have this kind of global misery without someone breaking ranks.

But this is really a silly way to look at it. Just like all businesses should have some debt all countries having reasonable levels of debt is just good business.

Lets say you only have only two countries in the world and each holds 10% of each other's debt. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? 100% of economists will tell you it is a good thing. But the entire world in this case is in debt by your definition.

When debt levels get above 50% of the countries GDP then it is time to start getting a bit worried. There are about 50 countries in the world above that level including us. These countries must put in austerity measures to get the debt levels back to healthy levels.

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by JJJ

But this is really a silly way to look at it. Just like all businesses should have some debt all countries having reasonable levels of debt is just good business.

Lets say you only have only two countries in the world and each holds 10% of each other's debt. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? 100% of economists will tell you it is a good thing. But the entire world in this case is in debt by your definition.

When debt levels get above 50% of the countries GDP then it is time to start getting a bit worried. There are about 50 countries in the world above that level including us. These countries must put in austerity measures to get the debt levels back to healthy levels.

If you are dealing with perceived or fabricated levels of debt that is a true statement but we are in unprecidented territory. Countries are not lying about debt they don't have. They are lying about capital that does not exist.

It's not an unfixable situation if governments were not in denial about where things really are. Countries rarely wake up to circumstances until the situation forces this upon them.

I think there are always opportunities for investors as long as SOMEBODY has money to invest. I am not soliciting business for this guy or supporting his business in any way. It just helps explain my point a little better. Apologies if it seems tangential.

Word of the day: Screwflation

Finally – we’ve got a word for what most
of us in the so-called middle-class have
been feeling the last few years – Screwflation.

As far as I can tell, Doug Kass at TheStreet.com
invented it back in Oct of 2010.

He defined this way:

“Screwflation, like its first cousin stagflation,
is an expression of a period of slow and uneven
economic growth, but, its potential inflationary
consequences have an outsized impact on a specific
group.

The emergence of screwflation hurts just the group
that you want to protect -- namely, the middle class,
a segment of the population that has already spent
a decade experiencing an erosion in disposable income
and a painful period (at least over the past several
years) of lower stock and home prices.

Importantly, quantitative easing is designed to lower
real interest rates and, at the same time, raise
inflation. A lower interest rate policy hurts the
savings classes -- both the middle class and the
elderly. And inflation in the costs of food, energy
and everything else consumed (without a concomitant
increase in salaries) will screw the average American
who doesn't benefit from QE 2.”

If you’re a middle-class saver/investor, I’m sure you
can identify with this. And, if you want company,
there are lots of pundits out there who are willing
to tell you just how screwed you are. That’s not what
I’m going to do today. I want to talk to you about
how to get unscrewed.

Once you figure out how the system works and that
you’re not part of the elite that it’s designed to
serve, you’ll either sink into depression and say WTH
or get smart and figure out a way to work it.

One of the best ways to beat the system is to figure
out how to make a lot more income – so much that you
enjoy paying lots more taxes on it!

You know your employer isn’t going to see it quite
that way so take a look at your skills and find a place
to use them in your own side business. Many investors
like rental real estate and with the current environment
of low interest fixed rate mortgages and reduced prices;
if you find a good property you can expect a dependable
monthly cash flow.

Some folks are finding ways to sell goods and services
online and you might want to look into internet based
businesses you can run part-time. But, my favorite is
(no surprise) learning to trade the financial markets.

It’s not for everyone but don’t think that because you
don’t have an MBA or accounting experience that you
can’t learn to read the charts and trade profitably.

The markets don’t discriminate but they do favor people
who learn and apply a couple basic skills. Primarily,
those who can rein their emotions in and trade a proven
system.

So, it’s up to you.

While most of the ordinary people who make up the
backbone of this country get Screwflation:

• Investment portfolios with zero gains (at best) after
the bubbles and busts of the last decade

• Values of their hard assets (like their homes) trashed

• High household debt levels

• Plus the well paid jobs being eliminated while skilled
workers settle for part-time work and low-paying service
jobs with few benefits.

Screwflation is killing the retirement savings of millions
of Americans as it slashes their spending power and
standards of living. As long as Washington isn't producing
solutions, it's up to enterprising Americans to look for
alternatives.

Politicians say America may remain in a high-unemployment,
low growth mode for another four or five years. We haven't
seen that kind of outlook since the Great Depression.

But, unlike the Depression, there are impressive areas of
growth and wealth in our economic system.

[Garcia Bronco]

Its a bubble and its going to burst. Plus at its current price, lesser incomes can't get in and thats why its a bad investment. And if all that you think is true about the world then gold qill be as useless as boobies on a boar. You can't eat gold and you can't drink it.

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Its a bubble and its going to burst. Plus at its current price, lesser incomes can't get in and thats why its a bad investment. And if all that you think is true about the world then gold qill be as useless as boobies on a boar. You can't eat gold and you can't drink it.

Investment analysts rarely consider poor people when it comes to investments. If you look at the division between rich and poor you will see a widening gap not one that is shrinking. Because their are gates is why a gated community can charge more. Because there is HOA if you can't pay you can't play.

The problem with gold is it is illegal to pay for things with gold. If that changes, as a competing currency, you are in error.

Poor folks are investing in lead. You know...weapons, bullets, and survival gear... because lead can sometimes trump gold. I believe in diversification.

[bowtown]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Its a bubble and its going to burst. Plus at its current price, lesser incomes can't get in and thats why its a bad investment. And if all that you think is true about the world then gold qill be as useless as boobies on a boar. You can't eat gold and you can't drink it.

That's why the majority of my savings is tied up in Jack Daniels and Doritos.

[JJJ]

Originally Posted by bowtown

That's why the majority of my savings is tied up in Jack Daniels and Doritos.

What flavor of Doritos go with Jack Daniels?

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by JJJ

What flavor of Doritos go with Jack Daniels?

does it matter?

[bowtown]

Originally Posted by JJJ

What flavor of Doritos go with Jack Daniels?

What flavor of Doritos doesn't go with Jack Daniels?

[Arkie]

It's silly to argue that you can't eat gold. Gold is not food. It's money. You can't eat paper or digital money either.

Lessor incomes can get into gold as easy as most other investments.

GAMCO Gold (GOLDX) @ $33.68
SPDR Gold Trust (GLD)@ $139.88
GoldGrams @ $46.47
Gold Maple 1/20 oz @ $100.37

Buy on the dips and keep on stacking as gold's value goes up long term.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by baja

You miss that we are all one being. Separation is an illusion. "The first shall be last and the last shall be first"

This is why you get so angry.

What do you think the unused 90% of your brain is for, after all there are no wasted parts in the human body.

If the poorest of the poor eat the 1% for lunch -- we'll still be one.

It is what it is.

[baja]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

If the poorest of the poor eat the 1% for lunch -- we'll still be one.

It is what it is.

This is true

...as will the eaten ones

[mhgaffney]

The one ness of humanity -- is lost on the super rich and the super powerful.

They are preparing to survive whatever is coming -- and screw the rest of us.

I just heard that the DOD built a city below the new international airport in Denver. They went deep. From what I heard -- it's a vast facility.

If anyone has any info about it -- please post.

Why Denver? Could it be because of the mile high altitude (hence no tsunami problems) and because Colorado is geologically stable?

[BroncsRule]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

The one ness of humanity -- is lost on the super rich and the super powerful.

They are preparing to survive whatever is coming -- and screw the rest of us.

I just heard that the DOD built a city below the new international airport in Denver. They went deep. From what I heard -- it's a vast facility.

If anyone has any info about it -- please post.

Why Denver? Could it be because of the mile high altitude (hence no tsunami problems) and because Colorado is geologically stable?

Dang, Gaff, you're slippin'.. for a conspiracy nut to be ignorant of the vast Reptoid Alien Base built under DIA..

Shameful!

http://diaconspiracyfiles.wordpress....rground-bases/

http://www.westword.com/2007-08-30/n...-take-off/full

[Arkie]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Why Denver? Could it be because of the mile high altitude (hence no tsunami problems) and because Colorado is geologically stable?

What about the Yellowstone volcano?

[baja]

how high can a tsunami climb?

[Arkie]

how high can gold climb?
new record?

[baja]

Wonder where "The Dave" is.

It will break the phycological barrier of $2000 by mid summer or at the next big event that threatens the dollar or oil prices.

[baja]

My question to thread participants would be why are both the stock market and gold soaring at the same time?

[Arkie]

Originally Posted by baja

My question to thread participants would be why are both the stock market and gold soaring at the same time?

Stocks are going down in real terms even if they are going up.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Arkie

Stocks are going down in real terms even if they are going up.

The dollar is dropping significantly against the peso for the first time in my memory. A few months ago it was as high as 15 to 1. Today is approaching approaching 10 to 1 That means the dollar has lost 1/3 it's value against the peso which is shocking.

[loborugger]

Originally Posted by baja

The dollar is dropping significantly against the peso for the first time in my memory. A few months ago it was as high as 15 to 1. Today is approaching approaching 10 to 1 That means the dollar has lost 1/3 it's value against the peso which is shocking.

The dollar is dropping compared to the Peso? Holy Crap!

I would agree with the assessment above - as the dollar plunges in value, the stock market can go up at the same time gold/silver go up.