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Old 03-10-2011, 10:20 PM   #51
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Von Miller has 28 sacks over the past two seasons. Why in the world would he be moved to inside lb? Because he has the size for it? That's stupid.

Von Miller is being mentioned as a top five pick because he can get the QB down, not because he has the instincts to play MLB. Why would you move him? Once again, that's stupid.

There are so many reasons why Von Miller at MLB is an idiotic idea.

1) MLB don't get drafted high

2) OLB who rack up 28 sacks in two seasons are not drafted in the top ten to be moved to a position where he main responsiblity is to tackle, not get after the qb

3) Nothing about Von Miller and his whole career even warrants a mention of being moved to MLB. He is not a tackle machine. Can he even read a defense?

Please, don't be so stupid. You wanna move Gabbert to SS, right? He's got the size for it? Hell, Gabbert would be an ideal MLB!
What's really stupid is your odd response to the question.
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:47 PM   #52
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Ayers is pretty light at 275 to play DE on the strong side. Maybe he can bulk up.
Well he is still a LB even though he lines up to rush often. You get heavier then 275 and your ability to cover the flats goes way down. 265-275 I think is the ideal weight for OLB in a 3-4. Heavy enough to not wear down when going against OL all day and still light enough to cover some shallow routes and flats.
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What's really stupid is your odd response to the question.
Apparently....Loads of people don't know the difference between the words could and should.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:37 AM   #54
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Well he is still a LB even though he lines up to rush often. You get heavier then 275 and your ability to cover the flats goes way down. 265-275 I think is the ideal weight for OLB in a 3-4. Heavy enough to not wear down when going against OL all day and still light enough to cover some shallow routes and flats.
I think we will look for some bigger DT and DE. Maybe guys that can sort of slide around depending on down and distance. Then we will pair what we have with them in a big rotation.

They may try to let doom rest some on early downs then turn him loose. He may not play every down, but still play a ton.

It might not be Doom on one side Ayers on the other. Hopefully they will both find a role and do well at it. But who knows it could come from the same position rather then opposite sides.

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If there was another Al Wilson in this draft and we weren't sold on the DT options then I would be all for taking him at #2. However there isn't. The linebackers people are talking about as going that high - like Von Miller - have all primarily distinguished themselves as pass rushers. Now I don't think its a stupid question to ask if Von Miller can play MLB, but I don't think you draft in the top ten, or even the first round, with the plan to move that player to an unfamiliar position straight away.

4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB is OK, its still an edge rusher (although pass coverage rears its head as an issue here). But generally speaking when you are picking top-10 you generally want a guy who has excelled for four years doing in college exactly what you want him to do n the pros. You only move him somewhere else if he doesn't work out at that. Drafting guys as projects from day one comes later on in the draft.

Now if someone like Von Miller slips out ofthe first...now we're talking....however I still think these speed rushers will project better to OLB ina 4-3. Speed and athleticism really helps, but the main thing a top-notch MLB needs is the spidey-sense to sniff out the play and get yourself inthe right place at the right time. That was what made Wilson so great. Mecklenburg moved from pass-rushing DE/OLB to one of the inside spots in our 3-4 late in his career, but he was always a very smart guy and one of the most versatile defensive players we've ever had. Guys that have been knocking QBs over for a few years in college, valuable as that is, have not yet proved they can consistently stop runs on 4th and one.....
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Old 03-11-2011, 06:58 AM   #56
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Apparently....Loads of people don't know the difference between the words could and should.
Right...or alot of others either. It gets so tiresome sometimes.
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Old 03-11-2011, 07:00 AM   #57
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Well he is still a LB even though he lines up to rush often. You get heavier then 275 and your ability to cover the flats goes way down. 265-275 I think is the ideal weight for OLB in a 3-4. Heavy enough to not wear down when going against OL all day and still light enough to cover some shallow routes and flats.
I thought I read that they would be moving him back to the DE spot along with Elvis as well. Didn't they say that a week or two ago? He's not fast or mobile enough to play OLB in the 4-3 IMO.
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:39 AM   #58
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I thought I read that they would be moving him back to the DE spot along with Elvis as well. Didn't they say that a week or two ago? He's not fast or mobile enough to play OLB in the 4-3 IMO.
There is absolutely no question that Ayers will not be playing OLB in a 4-3. If they wanted to go really crazy they could have him play MLB, where he played in high school, but I seriously doubt that has crossed anyone's mind as he is a natural fit at strongside DE. He does need to put on some of the weight that he lost to play 3-4 OLB though.
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I dont know, man...Miller is an impressive player. Look at what he produced with a terrible A&M team. He basically made them competitive.

He produced on the field and in the locker room. The guy was the team leader and delivered big time in getting A&M back to respectability. He was awesome over his entire college career.

He didnt just rack up stats against the little sisters of the poor either. He was a dominant player against the great offenses of the Big 12.

He's a natural leader, and he's a freak athlete as well.

He could end up being a star. The ceiling for him is very high.


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Von Miller will never, ever, ever, ever play MLB in the NFL. And if he does, its because he is a bust.

Von Miller at MLB? Huh?

How about Blaine Gilbert at SS? Or Cam Newton at DE? Or JJ Watts at OT?

Why even start a thread about this?
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To my knowledge, Von Miller hasn't played a single down at MLB. How was he wrong?
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To my knowledge, Von Miller hasn't played a single down at MLB. How was he wrong?
Reading comprehension fails some??
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Winner: ...... Who would of thought Epic would be right-on .......
So, he says the number two pick in the draft might end up being a good player?

He's like Svengali, or Kreskin, or something.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:26 AM   #64
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Um, if there is was anyone looking stupid in this thread it would be the scout in this article that was posted:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/03/08/11/R...99&feedID=5936
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So, he says the number two pick in the draft might end up being a good player?

He's like Svengali, or Kreskin, or something.
Von was not the number two pick yet and there were a lot of folks that thought a number 2 was too high to use on Miller. Now I know you hated Epic because of his political beliefs but you've got to give his some props on this old thread.
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Um, if there is was anyone looking stupid in this thread it would be the scout in this article that was posted:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/03/08/11/R...99&feedID=5936
Ooof, now THAT is a fail
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Von was not the number two pick yet and there were a lot of folks that thought a number 2 was too high to use on Miller. Now I know you hated Epic because of his political beliefs but you've got to give his some props on this old thread.
Whatever, he was hardly going out on a limb. Half this board may have been skeptical of Miller, but half were also on board.
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Von Miller gets the dreaded Vernon Gholston comparison

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 8, 2011, 12:56 PM EST
Could Vernon Gholston become the new Mike Mamula?

In the past, any Combine workout wonder was inevitably compared to Mamula as a cautionary tale. Now its possible that any deceptively productive, potentially stiff pass rusher could be compared to Gholston.

[Miller's] got some Vernon Gholston in him, former NFL scout Dave Razzano told Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com.

Razzano spent two decades as an NFL Scout. His opinion differs sharply from those who see Miller as one of the safer picks in the draft.

Im not a big Von Miller fan, Razzano said. In looking at Big-12 tape, he does not have a motor. He doesnt chase hard. They run at him, and he doesnt fight off blockers. When he gets sacks, a lot of times hes not getting blocked. Hes a one-move guy.

Miller was a fast riser after a huge senior season, but was seen as an inconsistent performer before.

He seemed to win over most skeptics at the Senior Bowl, but clearly some doubters remain.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/03/08/11/R...99&feedID=5936


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Von was not the number two pick yet and there were a lot of folks that thought a number 2 was too high to use on Miller. Now I know you hated Epic because of his political beliefs but you've got to give his some props on this old thread.
Epic also called Vontaze Burfict best player in the draft and we should draft him in first round. As far as the thread why the hell would you draft miller and move him away from his strength and make him a MLB?
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Ooof, now THAT is a fail
I would keep a copy of that scouting report taped to Miller's locker.
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Actually, he made the best analysis out of everyone here.
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Why? He was exactly right, whereas Epic simply parroted every major scouting report.......and pretty much anyone watching Big 12 football.
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Why? He was exactly right, whereas Epic simply parroted every major scouting report.......and pretty much anyone watching Big 12 football.
Wow the Epic haters are out in full force.......

Poor old Epic just disappeared without a trace one day last year at about rush hour. Who knows he was probably posting on the Mane on his way home and ran into a tree or something? Just give the guy a little credit for calling it right on Miller.
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A broken clock is right twice a day. Miller was already a lock for the top five when the drama llama "called" this one.

Besides, haven't you heard? Drama llama is back. He wears a skirt now.
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Wow the Epic haters are out in full force.......

Poor old Epic just disappeared without a trace one day last year at about rush hour. Who knows he was probably posting on the Mane on his way home and ran into a tree or something? Just give the guy a little credit for calling it right on Miller.
Really? Ok, point out any part of Epics post that wasn't extensively covered in almost every scouting report before he was drafted.

Your love for Epic and his politics are clouding YOUR judgement.
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