Von Miller up to 246...can he play MLB? - Page 2 - The Orange Mane

epicSocialism4tw · 03-08-2011, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

I dont buy this at all. Methinks some scout is throwing this out there for negative press in an effort to maybe make people think twice.

I think you're right.

Miller was a dominant player in college and won a national award. Dude's no combine wonder.

footstepsfrom#27 · 03-08-2011, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

I dont know, man...Miller is an impressive player. Look at what he produced with a terrible A&M team. He basically made them competitive.

They were 9-4 with wins over Oklahoma, Texas and Nebraska and they averaged 32 points a game, hardly a terrible team.

My primary concern is whether he can drop into coverage and do other things besides rush the passer.

epicSocialism4tw · 03-08-2011, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

They were 9-4 with wins over Oklahoma, Texas and Nebraska and they averaged 32 points a game, hardly a terrible team.

My primary concern is whether he can drop into coverage and do other things besides rush the passer.

I cant tell you about that, but apparently thats one of the reasons why people like him so much.

Shananahan · 03-08-2011, 11:08 PM

I like Von Miller a lot from everything I've seen of him off the field to what I've seen him do on it. He always played very well against my team and I'd be excited about him if he were drafted by Denver, but if it was in the top half of the first round I'd be upset. I just don't like the idea of drafting somebody early with the hopes that they will be able to do in the NFL what they did very little of, if any, in college.

Hamrob · 03-09-2011, 07:10 PM

Von Miller most closely reflects Willis from San Fran.

The guy would play on the weak side and reap havoc for offensive coordinators. We need to draft another "Wilson" to play MLB for us!!!

I could live with Miller at #2. I'd also be fine with Peterson or Dareus at #2. I'm not big on Bowers or Quinn.

bronco0608 · 03-09-2011, 09:22 PM

Von Miller will never, ever, ever, ever play MLB in the NFL. And if he does, its because he is a bust.

Von Miller at MLB? Huh?

How about Blaine Gilbert at SS? Or Cam Newton at DE? Or JJ Watts at OT?

Why even start a thread about this?

Broncoman13 · 03-09-2011, 09:47 PM

People had questions about guys like Terrell Suggs, Dave Ball and Elvis Dumervil as well. There were questions about each of their abilities to translate to the NFL level. They have all proved that they can get after the QB just like they did at the collegiate level. I don't think Miller is the best value at #2, but if we trade down... He is a player you absolutely have to consider!

footstepsfrom#27 · 03-10-2011, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco0608

Von Miller will never, ever, ever, ever play MLB in the NFL. And if he does, its because he is a bust.

Von Miller at MLB? Huh?

How about Blaine Gilbert at SS? Or Cam Newton at DE? Or JJ Watts at OT?

Why even start a thread about this?

Get over yourself, I can start any thread I want to, did this hurt your feelings or something?...there's nothing crazy about a linebacker switching to play another linebacking position, it happens all the time, and in fact it's happening on this team with DJ Williams every year. That equates to Cam Newton at DE for you or Blaine Gilbert at SS? Are you nuts? The guy has the size/speed and apparently instincts...I don't care if he plays it or not I simply posed the question since the guy's put on 16 pounds in a month. I haven't watched him enough at A&M to decide how his game translates...it was just a point to discuss since people have repeatedly made the point about Wilson being missed.

footstepsfrom#27 · 03-10-2011, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Hamrob

Von Miller most closely reflects Willis from San Fran.

The guy would play on the weak side and reap havoc for offensive coordinators. We need to draft another "Wilson" to play MLB for us!!!

Patrick Willis plays inside LB, not the weak side. Not a bad comparison maybe...speed is comparable but I think Willis is faster. I don't want Miller at #2...maybe around 8 if they trade back.

cutthemdown · 03-10-2011, 03:58 AM

If Miller that good and he's a target then broncos should move down and grab more picks.

No reason to take Miller 2nd in the draft IMO. We could probably go all the way to the Cards spot and still get Miller?

cutthemdown · 03-10-2011, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Patrick Willis plays inside LB, not the weak side. Not a bad comparison maybe...speed is comparable but I think Willis is faster. I don't want Miller at #2...maybe around 8 if they trade back.

If there is a rookie salary cap it could happen. The trade value chart will be redone so we don't know how much value say 5 spots in this draft would be. The Jimmy Johnson valued those high picks a lot but i have read since that chart out the window. But that may have been because of the high rookie wages.

For us to drop to say the middle of round one, I think it would cost a 2nd round pick this yr, and a first round pick next yr. Maybe even more. That pick could be really valuable now.

Cito Pelon · 03-10-2011, 08:25 AM

Seems like Miller will do fine in the NFL, but not at MLB in a 4-3. He's gonna play outside in a 4-3 or ILB in a 3-4.

Remember Donnie Edwards? Miller seems like a better Donnie Edwards, and Edwards had a dang good career. Versatile guy, fast, solid, steady, smart, skilled football player. Miller seems like a can't-miss kind of player, whoever gets him I think will love the guy.

But for Denver, yeah like people have said, #2 is too high, but if they trade down he'd be a fine pick. The guy is gonna produce.

TheReverend · 03-10-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Seems like Miller will do fine in the NFL, but not at MLB in a 4-3. He's gonna play outside in a 4-3 or ILB in a 3-4.

Remember Donnie Edwards? Miller seems like a better Donnie Edwards, and Edwards had a dang good career. Versatile guy, fast, solid, steady, smart, skilled football player. Miller seems like a can't-miss kind of player, whoever gets him I think will love the guy.

But for Denver, yeah like people have said, #2 is too high, but if they trade down he'd be a fine pick. The guy is gonna produce.

...What?

schaaf · 03-10-2011, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco0608

Von Miller will never, ever, ever, ever play MLB in the NFL. And if he does, its because he is a bust.

Von Miller at MLB? Huh?

How about Blaine Gilbert at SS? Or Cam Newton at DE? Or JJ Watts at OT?

Why even start a thread about this?

I really don't understand your comparisons... DJ Williams went from Weakside to Mike and then back and forth, so it is a good question to ask if Miller would be able to play MLB... that is nothing like Blaine Gabbert switching to SS you idiot.

schaaf · 03-10-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Patrick Willis plays inside LB, not the weak side. Not a bad comparison maybe...speed is comparable but I think Willis is faster. I don't want Miller at #2...maybe around 8 if they trade back.

they're about the exact same speed, Miller ran a 4.49 at his pro day and Willis ran a 4.49 also

Cito Pelon · 03-10-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

...What?

Miller could play OLB in a 3-4. Is that what your "What?" was meant to signify?

I think he's better suited to ILB in an NFL 3-4. Whatever, I think Miller will be a great NFL LB. Dude seems like he has all the tools.

epicSocialism4tw · 03-10-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Miller could play OLB in a 3-4. Is that what your "What?" was meant to signify?

I think he's better suited to ILB in an NFL 3-4. Whatever, I think Miller will be a great NFL LB. Dude seems like he has all the tools.

He's a natural leader as well. I wouldnt be upset at all if Denver drafted him.

Really, I wouldnt be upset if they drafted any of those top guys. I would be disappointed if they draft Peterson because that would mean that the franchise has yet to learn its lesson (you win in the NFL from the point of attack outward), but I think he's a good prospect too.

SonOfLe-loLang · 03-10-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by schaaf

I really don't understand your comparisons... DJ Williams went from Weakside to Mike and then back and forth, so it is a good question to ask if Miller would be able to play MLB... that is nothing like Blaine Gabbert switching to SS you idiot.

He said Blaine Gilbert, not Gabbert

Cito Pelon · 03-10-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

He's a natural leader as well. I wouldnt be upset at all if Denver drafted him.

Really, I wouldnt be upset if they drafted any of those top guys. I would be disappointed if they draft Peterson because that would mean that the franchise has yet to learn its lesson (you win in the NFL from the point of attack outward), but I think he's a good prospect too.

Yeah, there's solid front seven prospects that Denver needs more than Peterson.

Peterson has the return abilities and I respect that, but that's not enough to put him over solid front seven guys.

epicSocialism4tw · 03-10-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Yeah, there's solid front seven prospects that Denver needs more than Peterson.

Peterson has the return abilities and I respect that, but that's not enough to put him over solid front seven guys.

This franchise literally has not drafted a blue chip DT since Pryce.

That's a loooong time, and the lack of commitment has resulted in a lack of talent. That lack of talent is directly related to our crappy run defense, which is directly related to our crappy overall defense.

listopencil · 03-10-2011, 11:19 AM

TJ "The Dude" Johnson over at "It's All Over, Fat Man!" mentioned that he wouldn't be surprised if the Broncos drafted him.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpos...35&postcount=1

gyldenlove · 03-10-2011, 11:22 AM

I would love him at SLB, he can rush the passer, he would be a mismatch for most TEs, he can cover, he is strong enough to hold up against the rush on that side.

KO5K · 03-10-2011, 11:45 AM

Broncos working out Miller.

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The Denver Broncos are working out Texas A&M outside linebacker Von Miller today in College Station, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation.

Not sure I like it at #2.

epicSocialism4tw · 03-10-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KO5K

Broncos working out Miller.

Not sure I like it at #2.

Theyre just exploring all options. Expect them to meet with Bowers too.

bronco0608 · 03-10-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by schaaf

I really don't understand your comparisons... DJ Williams went from Weakside to Mike and then back and forth, so it is a good question to ask if Miller would be able to play MLB... that is nothing like Blaine Gabbert switching to SS you idiot.

Von Miller has 28 sacks over the past two seasons. Why in the world would he be moved to inside lb? Because he has the size for it? That's stupid.

Von Miller is being mentioned as a top five pick because he can get the QB down, not because he has the instincts to play MLB. Why would you move him? Once again, that's stupid.

There are so many reasons why Von Miller at MLB is an idiotic idea.

1) MLB don't get drafted high

2) OLB who rack up 28 sacks in two seasons are not drafted in the top ten to be moved to a position where he main responsiblity is to tackle, not get after the qb

3) Nothing about Von Miller and his whole career even warrants a mention of being moved to MLB. He is not a tackle machine. Can he even read a defense?

Please, don't be so stupid. You wanna move Gabbert to SS, right? He's got the size for it? Hell, Gabbert would be an ideal MLB!

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03-08-2011, 11:08 PM	#29
Shananahan Ring of Famer Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,287	I like Von Miller a lot from everything I've seen of him off the field to what I've seen him do on it. He always played very well against my team and I'd be excited about him if he were drafted by Denver, but if it was in the top half of the first round I'd be upset. I just don't like the idea of drafting somebody early with the hopes that they will be able to do in the NFL what they did very little of, if any, in college.

03-09-2011, 07:10 PM	#30
Hamrob All-American! All-American! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: DFW Posts: 4,747 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Von Miller most closely reflects Willis from San Fran. The guy would play on the weak side and reap havoc for offensive coordinators. We need to draft another "Wilson" to play MLB for us!!! I could live with Miller at #2. I'd also be fine with Peterson or Dareus at #2. I'm not big on Bowers or Quinn.

03-09-2011, 09:22 PM	#31
bronco0608 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,177 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Von Miller will never, ever, ever, ever play MLB in the NFL. And if he does, its because he is a bust. Von Miller at MLB? Huh? How about Blaine Gilbert at SS? Or Cam Newton at DE? Or JJ Watts at OT? Why even start a thread about this?

03-09-2011, 09:47 PM	#32
Broncoman13 Broncoholic JT #80 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 16,961 Adopt-a-Bronco: Orange Julius	People had questions about guys like Terrell Suggs, Dave Ball and Elvis Dumervil as well. There were questions about each of their abilities to translate to the NFL level. They have all proved that they can get after the QB just like they did at the collegiate level. I don't think Miller is the best value at #2, but if we trade down... He is a player you absolutely have to consider!

03-10-2011, 03:58 AM	#35
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,464	If Miller that good and he's a target then broncos should move down and grab more picks. No reason to take Miller 2nd in the draft IMO. We could probably go all the way to the Cards spot and still get Miller?

03-10-2011, 08:25 AM	#37
Cito Pelon Attack at all times . . . Happy dog at the Divide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AFC West Championshipville Posts: 15,194 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	Seems like Miller will do fine in the NFL, but not at MLB in a 4-3. He's gonna play outside in a 4-3 or ILB in a 3-4. Remember Donnie Edwards? Miller seems like a better Donnie Edwards, and Edwards had a dang good career. Versatile guy, fast, solid, steady, smart, skilled football player. Miller seems like a can't-miss kind of player, whoever gets him I think will love the guy. But for Denver, yeah like people have said, #2 is too high, but if they trade down he'd be a fine pick. The guy is gonna produce.

03-10-2011, 11:19 AM	#46
listopencil [sarcasm]text[/sarcasm] BOOM! Winner. Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The People's Republic Of California Posts: 8,580 Adopt-a-Bronco: Broncos FO	TJ "The Dude" Johnson over at "It's All Over, Fat Man!" mentioned that he wouldn't be surprised if the Broncos drafted him. http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpos...35&postcount=1

03-10-2011, 11:22 AM	#47
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,027 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	I would love him at SLB, he can rush the passer, he would be a mismatch for most TEs, he can cover, he is strong enough to hold up against the rush on that side.