Marcell Dareus, Von Miller, Patrick Peterson

[vancejohnson82]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

That's more like it. JJ Watt does not belong in the top 10 discussion at all.

or this discussion for that matter

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Chris

Three 2nd round picks? We can't trade Orton without a CBA.

He's referring to the scenario mentioned before of trading down on draft day from #2 to #4 overall and gaining an extra 2nd that way. Not from trading Orton.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

He's referring to the scenario mentioned before of trading down on draft day from #2 to #4 overall and gaining an extra 2nd that way. Not from trading Orton.

Gotcha. Sign me up.

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by vancejohnson82

or this discussion for that matter

Putting Watt in a discussion with Peterson, Fairley, Dareus, and Miller is like putting Chevy Chase in a discussion with Tom Hanks, Jack Nicholson, and Marlon Brando.

Yeah, they're all actors, but of far different class.

[Shananahan]

Well, I wouldn't go that far. I'd rather draft J.J. Watt at #2 than Von Miller.

[bowtown]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

I always love these threads where a specific draft prospect is what the Broncos need, and only that prospect is good and if we don't draft this specific prospect then the whole draft sucks.

Me too. Personaly, I prefer to wait until after the draft so I can really be sure which prospect to whine about us not drafting.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by Shananahan

Well, I wouldn't go that far. I'd rather draft J.J. Watt at #2 than Von Miller.

Von Miller is gonna be awesome

[bronco]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

That's more like it. JJ Watt does not belong in the top 10 discussion at all.

Wow, that was clever. You edit my post as a jab at me, because I don't share your man love for Peterson. How about coming up with a cogent argument that Watt is not worth at top 10 pick? Or is that too much for your PP-obsessed brain to handle?

and so what if the combine made me like him even more? It showed his elite athleticism, which hints at his elite potential. I liked him a lot before the drills, maybe not at #2 (though I wouldn't have complained), but after that he showed he has it all and is worthy of the #2 pick. Nobody was talking about Chris Johnson in the 1st round, or Mario Williams at #1 overall, before they tore it up at the combine either. Should they have been ridiculed too?

[Chris]

Rahim Moore is looking nice in drills.

[Shananahan]

Originally Posted by bronco

and so what if the combine made me like him even more? It showed his elite athleticism, which hints at his elite potential. I liked him a lot before the drills, maybe not at #2 (though I wouldn't have complained), but after that he showed he has it all and is worthy of the #2 pick. Nobody was talking about Chris Johnson in the 1st round, or Mario Williams at #1 overall, before they tore it up at the combine either. Should they have been ridiculed too?

I wasn't ridiculing you. There is a lot to like about Watt, and maybe if we were still running a 3-4 I would be more open to the thought of considering him at #2. As it is, I am leery of over-drafting guys based on their combine workouts. That's all.

I hope we don't out-think ourselves, just take Dareus where we're at unless somebody starts throwing picks at us to trade up, and be done with it.

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by Shananahan

Well, I wouldn't go that far. I'd rather draft J.J. Watt at #2 than Von Miller.

Von Miller is far superior to Watt. FAR.

[Shananahan]

You're welcome to think that and I can't say you're wrong, but I don't get it. His forte is rushing the passer, he's only 235+/-lbs. and hasn't had extensive experience playing OLB in a 4-3. Unless you think we're going to be sending him after the QB half the time there's no way you can convince me he's worth the #2, and if we're blitzing him that often I have no idea how we're compensating in coverage.

Watt is a physical force who could play the strongside DE position as well as possibly DT and move around on the line in different looks. He's put up decent stats and theoretically only stands to improve as a player given the amount of time he's played the position. I still don't like him at #2, but he makes much more sense that high for our defense than Von Miller, in my opinion.

[MABroncoFan]

Saw this on rotoworld.com. It'd be nice to trade back to pick up more picks, but #9 is too far back.


Citing sources, SI's Tony Pauline reports that the Cowboys have LSU CB Patrick Peterson ranked as the top player in the 2011 NFL draft.

Their high opinion was only reinforced by Peterson's 4.32 and 4.37 forty times Tuesday at the Combine. Per Pauline, Dallas "covets" the 2010 Thorpe Award winner. The Cowboys draft ninth overall, so they may strongly consider a move up for Peterson. Terence Newman is a candidate for offseason release. Related: CowboysSource: TFY Draft Insider Mar 1, 1:10 PM

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by bronco

Wow, that was clever. You edit my post as a jab at me, because I don't share your man love for Peterson. How about coming up with a cogent argument that Watt is not worth at top 10 pick? Or is that too much for your PP-obsessed brain to handle?

My take on Peterson has nothing to do with Watt not belonging in this discussion.

Bowers, Fairley, Dareus, Quinn, Smith, and Jordan are all DL who are superior to Watt. Watt isn't even a top 5 DL prospect let alone overall. Add in Peterson, Amukamara, Green, Von Miller, Tyron Smith, Julio Jones, Gabbert, Newton,etc.

It's a pretty easy argument. I'll put it this way, see if you can get one other maner to back a "Watt in the top 5 take."

[bronco]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

My take on Peterson has nothing to do with Watt not belonging in this discussion.

Bowers, Fairley, Dareus, Quinn, Smith, and Jordan are all DL who are superior to Watt. Watt isn't even a top 5 DL prospect let alone overall. Add in Peterson, Amukamara, Green, Von Miller, Tyron Smith, Julio Jones, Gabbert, Newton,etc.

It's a pretty easy argument. I'll put it this way, see if you can get one other maner to back a "Watt in the top 5 take."

You still haven't offered any reasons as to why all those guys are better than Watt, and I don't think you can other than "Most sites have those guys ahead of Watt". To which I would reply, "Those sites are full of it".

I don't really care if anybody agrees with me or not. I'm not a sheep.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by bronco

You still haven't offered any reasons as to why all those guys are better than Watt, and I don't think you can other than "Most sites have those guys ahead of Watt". To which I would reply, "Those sites are full of it".

I don't really care if anybody agrees with me or not. I'm not a sheep.

I'd like my defensive ends to have more than 7 sacks in college.

[vancejohnson82]

Originally Posted by bronco

You still haven't offered any reasons as to why all those guys are better than Watt, and I don't think you can other than "Most sites have those guys ahead of Watt". To which I would reply, "Those sites are full of it".

I don't really care if anybody agrees with me or not. I'm not a sheep.

keep fighting the power man!

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

Peterson 4.32

I happened to be near a TV set at work today, and that TV just happened to be tuned to the combine. Funny how that works, isn't it? Anyway...I saw that and went "Daaaaaay-um." I'm still thinking I would not be unhappy with Peterson at #2. Go after DT and ILB in the second, the talent seems to fit our picks.

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by Shananahan

You're welcome to think that and I can't say you're wrong, but I don't get it. His forte is rushing the passer, he's only 235+/-lbs. and hasn't had extensive experience playing OLB in a 4-3. Unless you think we're going to be sending him after the QB half the time there's no way you can convince me he's worth the #2, and if we're blitzing him that often I have no idea how we're compensating in coverage.

Watt is a physical force who could play the strongside DE position as well as possibly DT and move around on the line in different looks. He's put up decent stats and theoretically only stands to improve as a player given the amount of time he's played the position. I still don't like him at #2, but he makes much more sense that high for our defense than Von Miller, in my opinion.

I never said I liked Miller at #2. I said he's far superior to Watt. Which he is.

I'd love Watt at #36.

[TheChamp24]

STOP
OVERRATING
VON
MILLER

Especially in the top 5 FFS.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by bronco

You still haven't offered any reasons as to why all those guys are better than Watt, and I don't think you can other than "Most sites have those guys ahead of Watt". To which I would reply, "Those sites are full of it".

I don't really care if anybody agrees with me or not. I'm not a sheep.

Is Watt the guy that went from the secondary to DE and is blazing fast? If so, no I would hate him at the #2 pick.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by TheChamp24

STOP
OVERRATING
VON
MILLER

Especially in the top 5 FFS.

Why is he overrated exactly? Is it his awesome production, awesome measurables? Awesome athletic ability? Awesome leadership skills? Which is it?

[Rohirrim]

Don't know why Fairley isn't on the "elite" list on this thread. Or Bowers. Especially ahead of Miller. To each his own, I guess.

[TheChamp24]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Why is he overrated exactly? Is it his awesome production, awesome measurables? Awesome athletic ability? Awesome leadership skills? Which is it?

He excelled by his speed in the college.
He hardly had to cover people at A&M, so having him be an OLB could be a transition.

Heck, look at Aaron Curry. How awesome has he been for the Seahawks? AJ Hawk? I see Miller, not being a bust, but nowhere near the player some of you think he will be. You guys think he'll have 14 sacks seasons and cause all these disruptive plays, but he will never see those numbers IMO.

And what leadership skills are you talking of?

For being the #2 pick, I'd be pissed because to me in Denver he'll be DJ Williams 2.0 here IMO.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by TheChamp24

He excelled by his speed in the college.
He hardly had to cover people at A&M, so having him be an OLB could be a transition.

Heck, look at Aaron Curry. How awesome has he been for the Seahawks? AJ Hawk? I see Miller, not being a bust, but nowhere near the player some of you think he will be. You guys think he'll have 14 sacks seasons and cause all these disruptive plays, but he will never see those numbers IMO.

And what leadership skills are you talking of?

For being the #2 pick, I'd be pissed because to me in Denver he'll be DJ Williams 2.0 here IMO.

He had 17 sacks two seasons ago/11 last season. Thats production. He has the speed to go sideline to sideline and, while OLB may be an adjustment in the pros, they said he picked it up fairly well at the senior bowl (where he was probably the best player.) Im obviously not in the huddle with him, but many claim his leadership of the D was apparent. He's got great size, great speed, great agility and great production.

I dont see why he's overrated and i dunno why you compare him to AJ hawk...they are two diff players.