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Old 03-01-2011, 07:51 AM   #26
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I really like JJ Watt at #2, I think he's as good as Dareus, if not better. No way Watt lasts to #17, he dominated in pretty much all the drills. He could play any D-line position well except maybe 3-4 NT, which he wouldn't be asked to play. High-character, hard worker, productive, great athlete, what more could anyone want?
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Old 03-01-2011, 07:53 AM   #27
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I'm comparing the philosophy of trading a lot of draft picks for a few tageted guys. If those guys don't work out, and you all of a sudden have less chances to hit on, if either of those guys bust out, the class is screwed.

You gonna sit there and guaruntee that Dareus and Miller will not be busts?
No guts, no glory.

The chance that they bust is significantly less than the chance that that extra 2nd rounder they got by trading down will bust.
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:18 AM   #28
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I always love these threads where a specific draft prospect is what the Broncos need, and only that prospect is good and if we don't draft this specific prospect then the whole draft sucks.
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:41 AM   #29
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I really like JJ Watt at #2, I think he's as good as Dareus, if not better. No way Watt lasts to #17, he dominated in pretty much all the drills. He could play any D-line position well except maybe 3-4 NT, which he wouldn't be asked to play. High-character, hard worker, productive, great athlete, what more could anyone want?
I like Watt a lot as well, but be honest: you're basing this opinion on his combine numbers.
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:43 AM   #30
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I always love these threads where a specific draft prospect is what the Broncos need, and only that prospect is good and if we don't draft this specific prospect then the whole draft sucks.
Its true, one guy from this whole draft in 15 years will go to the h o f. Getting him means championship.
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Anything other than a low first round defensive stud playmaker would be a major fail on Elway's part.
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:52 AM   #32
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I always love these threads where a specific draft prospect is what the Broncos need, and only that prospect is good and if we don't draft this specific prospect then the whole draft sucks.
It's really difficult to judge because I don't think anyone really knows how Fox wants to play his dline, and there's the move of Doom back to a down position where he isn't a strong run defender. Does Fox want two gapers in the middle, sort of like Den had with Rhodes? So, I'm like you in being skeptical about calling one guy "the guy."

Although, I think it's pretty clear that on defense Peterson, Miller and Dareus are close to locks on not being busts. I think the odds on Bowers and Quinn is that both guys will be at least decent players in the right schemes, though Quinn looks rusty. Fairley has a lot of upside, but his size and athleticism may not translate well unless he's in the right scheme.

It's going to be a draft where it's really impossible to judge till we see the product on the field.
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damn beat me to it. a 4.32 40 he'll be playing CB in the NFL.
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damn beat me to it. a 4.32 40 he'll be playing CB in the NFL.
4.32 at 220# he can play anywhere in the secondary.
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4.32 at 220# he can play anywhere in the secondary.
true,that was true about D. Sanders,revis and so on. but at that speed he'll be playing CB. No team is going to draft him to play safety. if gains too much weight & gets into the 230s he may be moved to safety. but considering how long the NFL season is he'll stay in the 22os.
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Old 03-01-2011, 09:14 AM   #37
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what's he gonna get on the second?
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what's he gonna get on the second?
he'll probabaly equal it or do better.
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true,that was true about D. Sanders,revis and so on. but at that speed he'll be playing CB. No team is going to draft him to play safety. if gains too much weight & gets into the 230s he may be moved to safety. but considering how long the NFL season is he'll stay in the 22os.
I think that anyone doubting whether he was going to play CB in the NFL was not dealing with the reality of the athlete he is.

You don't get mentioned as the best prospect at the position in years if you don't have the athletic ability to play it.

Kid is a stud.
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It would be nice to get some of that speed haha
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In this scenario I'd rather take Dareus at 4 and keep the three 2nd round picks. Then try to draft Phil Taylor, Rahim Moore, and Kyle Rudolph. That'd be a dream come true. Then pick up Quan Sturdivant in the 3rd.
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UGH! That's gross.
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In this scenario I'd rather take Dareus at 4 and keep the three 2nd round picks. Then try to draft Phil Taylor, Rahim Moore, and Kyle Rudolph. That'd be a dream come true. Then pick up Quan Sturdivant in the 3rd.
Three 2nd round picks? We can't trade Orton without a CBA.
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I like Watt a lot as well, but be honest: you're basing this opinion on his combine numbers.
and his production the last 2 seasons, and his work ethic, and his character.

He's the total package, I don't see how guys like Dareus, Fairley, Bowers, and Quinn are that much better than he is, if at all.
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Yeah, he's got decent production and is a hardworking, stand-up guy, but you weren't thinking about taking him at #2 until he tore up the combine. Nobody was.
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Old 03-01-2011, 09:51 AM   #50
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I don't see .... at all.
That's more like it. JJ Watt does not belong in the top 10 discussion at all.
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