Forget about Patrick Peterson. Not. Happening. - Page 4 - The Orange Mane

Inkana7 · 02-23-2011, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by phibacka31

Not that it's a surprise, but if true he is a dumbass for showing our hand...

I'm sure that teams are shocked, just shocked, to find out we might need to draft defense.

BMarsh615 · 02-23-2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by phibacka31

Not that it's a surprise, but if true he is a dumbass for showing our hand...

Man we have the second pick in the draft. I am pretty sure they have at least 3 defensive lineman who they would be more than happy with. It's not a big secret that Denver needs help up front.

listopencil · 02-23-2011, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JDB7821

Bowers turned 21 today. There are a lot of defensive linemen that can play until they're 36.

Yeah, it's possible for a D-Lineman to play into their mid to late 30's but it's much more likely for a defensive back to have a very long career.

serious hops · 02-23-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Yeah, it's possible for a D-Lineman to play into their mid to late 30's but it's much more likely for a defensive back to have a very long career.

Is there proof of that? Big DTs like Ted Washington, Sam Adams and Pat Williams seem to play forever.

baja · 02-23-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BMarsh615

Brian Xanders all but confirmed that Denver will be taking a defensive lineman on 104.3 The Fan today.

Right at the end of the interview he was asked what he was looking to do with the No. 2 pick and here was his answer. "We want a disruptive, playmaker that causes negative plays in the run game and in terms of sacks. That is a good person who loves football and wants to be a Denver Bronco for the next 15 years."

http://www.1043thefan.com/Channels/t...spx?ID=1368604

That information is above his pay grade now if you want to know "deep dish" or "thin crust" he's your man.

listopencil · 02-23-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by serious hops

Is there proof of that? Big DTs like Ted Washington, Sam Adams and Pat Williams seem to play forever.

Yes, there is. You can google it and get results that will tell you that it goes from Kickers/Punters/Long Snappers at the top all the way down to Running Backs for career length. It's easy data to track. Length of career is directly related to position even more so than injury history. Generally speaking the more contact a position endures, the shorter the career. With weight given to who is doing the hitting and who is being hit. There was a paper done by Milt Davis (PhD) and Pat Lombardi (PhD) and presented to the 56th Annual Meeting of the American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) back in 2009. It tracks players from the 2004 combine to the 2008 season and it corroborates the NFL data.

listopencil · 02-23-2011, 12:11 PM

I should say there might have been other authors/contributors involved besides those two. I'm just not aware of who they might be.

broncogary · 02-23-2011, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Yes, there is. You can google it and get results that will tell you that it goes from Kickers/Punters/Long Snappers at the top all the way down to Running Backs for career length. It's easy data to track. Length of career is directly related to position even more so than injury history. Generally speaking the more contact a position endures, the shorter the career. With weight given to who is doing the hitting and who is being hit. There was a paper done by Milt Davis (PhD) and Pat Lombardi (PhD) and presented to the 56th Annual Meeting of the American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) back in 2009. It tracks players from the 2004 combine to the 2008 season and it corroborates the NFL data.

So that's why the Raiders took Janikowski. They're smarter than I thought.

Dedhed · 02-23-2011, 01:01 PM

I believe everything I hear from GMs and coaches before the draft.

/sarcasm

Requiem · 02-23-2011, 01:03 PM

Not really revealing our hand. Peterson, as much as I love him, was probably only going to get heavy consideration if Bailey wasn't re-signed. Now that he was, we will focus on the trenches. Not a bad idea. Dareus, Fairley, Bowers -- come on down! I just hope we stay away from Quinn.

TheReverend · 02-23-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

Not really revealing our hand. Peterson, as much as I love him, was probably only going to get heavy consideration if Bailey wasn't re-signed. Now that he was, we will focus on the trenches. Not a bad idea. Dareus, Fairley, Bowers -- come on down! I just hope we stay away from Quinn.

Von Miller is my nightmare possibility.

Taco John · 02-23-2011, 01:41 PM

We showed our hand when we brought John Fox in as the head coach. I don't think that it's a huge mystery in the league that the Broncos will be drafting defense heavy this offseason.

NFLBRONCO · 02-23-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Von Miller is my nightmare possibility.

he's the next D Thomas

meangene · 02-23-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

he's the next D Thomas

You mean Derrick Thomas?

NFLBRONCO · 02-23-2011, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by meangene

You mean Derrick Thomas?

yep

Crushaholic · 02-23-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BMarsh615

Brian Xanders all but confirmed that Denver will be taking a defensive lineman on 104.3 The Fan today.

Right at the end of the interview he was asked what he was looking to do with the No. 2 pick and here was his answer. "We want a disruptive, playmaker that causes negative plays in the run game and in terms of sacks. That is a good person who loves football and wants to be a Denver Bronco for the next 15 years."

http://www.1043thefan.com/Channels/t...spx?ID=1368604

Xanders is dreaming...and dreaming big. In the era of free agency, there are very few players who play for one team their whole careers. Ray Lewis may accomplish that feat, but he's an exception. We just need someone who can fill a need, NOW...

SonOfLe-loLang · 02-23-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Von Miller is my nightmare possibility.

While I understand why you say this, he's quickly becoming my sure thing. I think this guy will be a hybrid terror and was REALLLLLLLY productive on the college level. Didnt he lead in sacks 2 years ago with like 17 or something?

meangene · 02-23-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

While I understand why you say this, he's quickly becoming my sure thing. I think this guy will be a hybrid terror and was REALLLLLLLY productive on the college level. Didnt he lead in sacks 2 years ago with like 17 or something?

Yep, and he has had four years of production and absolutely no character issues. Really stood out at the Senior Bowl.

bendog · 02-23-2011, 03:48 PM

I hope he's better than Derrick Thomas. No dis intended cause he was a great pass rusher, but he was limited v. the run and a liablilty in pass. I like Miller too, and expect him to be a brute against the run, in the right sheme, but he seems to translate more into a will in a 4-3. That's one of two positions we actually have someone to man who might concievably be good enough to be a contending team.

Chris · 02-23-2011, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bendog

I hope he's better than Derrick Thomas. No dis intended cause he was a great pass rusher, but he was limited v. the run and a liablilty in pass. I like Miller too, and expect him to be a brute against the run, in the right sheme, but he seems to translate more into a will in a 4-3. That's one of two positions we actually have someone to man who might concievably be good enough to be a contending team.

The mullet brigade is coming after you.

JDB7821 · 02-23-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Defensive linemen in the pro bowl:

6 were 1st round picks
3 were 3rd round picks
2 were 5th round picks
1 was a 7th round pick

Corners in the pro bowl:

ALL were 1st round picks

Safeties in the pro bowl:

All from the AFC were 1st round picks.
2 in the NFC were below 1st round selections (1 was a 2nd rounder and 1 was a third)

Brent Grimes wasn't drafted.

SonOfLe-loLang · 02-23-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JDB7821

Brent Grimes wasn't drafted.

and though Tramon Williams wasnt a probowler, he wasnt drafted either.

Plus we play zone. I think Syd'quan will thrive in this system.

KevinJames · 02-23-2011, 04:28 PM

I think we should draft Patrick Peterson anyway play him at both corner and safety. The DL position is so deep and the DB position is not so I think we pass on Bowers, taking a DT that high is not very safe, unless we decide to go with Dareus.

Worked out great for the saints with Malcolm Jenkins we have their old DBs coach as our DC

and I think Peterson is twice as fast and twice the prospect Jenkins is, hes a future pro bowler at CB or FS, these guys don't come along very much.

listopencil · 02-23-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

Xanders is dreaming...and dreaming big. In the era of free agency, there are very few players who play for one team their whole careers. Ray Lewis may accomplish that feat, but he's an exception. We just need someone who can fill a need, NOW...

You know, thinking about this again I remembered that Xanders is terrible in interviews. He has been more of a behind-the-scenes guy and was called out on that in Elway's press conference. Maybe Ellis and Elway are letting Xanders wander around and run his mouth as a natural and effective disinformation service to confuse other teams.

epicSocialism4tw · 02-23-2011, 05:18 PM

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The mullet brigade is coming after you.

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02-23-2011, 12:11 PM	#82
listopencil [sarcasm]text[/sarcasm] BOOM! Winner. Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The People's Republic Of California Posts: 8,580 Adopt-a-Bronco: Broncos FO	I should say there might have been other authors/contributors involved besides those two. I'm just not aware of who they might be.

02-23-2011, 01:01 PM	#84
Dedhed Ring of Famer Fare thee well Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 9,706 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	I believe everything I hear from GMs and coaches before the draft. /sarcasm

02-23-2011, 01:03 PM	#85
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,546 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	Not really revealing our hand. Peterson, as much as I love him, was probably only going to get heavy consideration if Bailey wasn't re-signed. Now that he was, we will focus on the trenches. Not a bad idea. Dareus, Fairley, Bowers -- come on down! I just hope we stay away from Quinn.

02-23-2011, 01:41 PM	#87
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	We showed our hand when we brought John Fox in as the head coach. I don't think that it's a huge mystery in the league that the Broncos will be drafting defense heavy this offseason.

02-23-2011, 03:48 PM	#94
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	I hope he's better than Derrick Thomas. No dis intended cause he was a great pass rusher, but he was limited v. the run and a liablilty in pass. I like Miller too, and expect him to be a brute against the run, in the right sheme, but he seems to translate more into a will in a 4-3. That's one of two positions we actually have someone to man who might concievably be good enough to be a contending team.

02-23-2011, 04:28 PM	#98
KevinJames Not the actor/comedian HA 2012. IT BEGINS. Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,760	I think we should draft Patrick Peterson anyway play him at both corner and safety. The DL position is so deep and the DB position is not so I think we pass on Bowers, taking a DT that high is not very safe, unless we decide to go with Dareus. Worked out great for the saints with Malcolm Jenkins we have their old DBs coach as our DC and I think Peterson is twice as fast and twice the prospect Jenkins is, hes a future pro bowler at CB or FS, these guys don't come along very much.