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Old 02-23-2011, 11:26 AM   #76
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Not that it's a surprise, but if true he is a dumbass for showing our hand...
I'm sure that teams are shocked, just shocked, to find out we might need to draft defense.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:09 PM   #77
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Not that it's a surprise, but if true he is a dumbass for showing our hand...
Man we have the second pick in the draft. I am pretty sure they have at least 3 defensive lineman who they would be more than happy with. It's not a big secret that Denver needs help up front.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:43 PM   #78
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Bowers turned 21 today. There are a lot of defensive linemen that can play until they're 36.
Yeah, it's possible for a D-Lineman to play into their mid to late 30's but it's much more likely for a defensive back to have a very long career.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:56 PM   #79
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Yeah, it's possible for a D-Lineman to play into their mid to late 30's but it's much more likely for a defensive back to have a very long career.
Is there proof of that? Big DTs like Ted Washington, Sam Adams and Pat Williams seem to play forever.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:59 PM   #80
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Brian Xanders all but confirmed that Denver will be taking a defensive lineman on 104.3 The Fan today.

Right at the end of the interview he was asked what he was looking to do with the No. 2 pick and here was his answer. "We want a disruptive, playmaker that causes negative plays in the run game and in terms of sacks. That is a good person who loves football and wants to be a Denver Bronco for the next 15 years."

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That information is above his pay grade now if you want to know "deep dish" or "thin crust" he's your man.
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Old 02-23-2011, 01:08 PM   #81
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Is there proof of that? Big DTs like Ted Washington, Sam Adams and Pat Williams seem to play forever.
Yes, there is. You can google it and get results that will tell you that it goes from Kickers/Punters/Long Snappers at the top all the way down to Running Backs for career length. It's easy data to track. Length of career is directly related to position even more so than injury history. Generally speaking the more contact a position endures, the shorter the career. With weight given to who is doing the hitting and who is being hit. There was a paper done by Milt Davis (PhD) and Pat Lombardi (PhD) and presented to the 56th Annual Meeting of the American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) back in 2009. It tracks players from the 2004 combine to the 2008 season and it corroborates the NFL data.

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Old 02-23-2011, 01:11 PM   #82
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I should say there might have been other authors/contributors involved besides those two. I'm just not aware of who they might be.
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Old 02-23-2011, 01:57 PM   #83
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Yes, there is. You can google it and get results that will tell you that it goes from Kickers/Punters/Long Snappers at the top all the way down to Running Backs for career length. It's easy data to track. Length of career is directly related to position even more so than injury history. Generally speaking the more contact a position endures, the shorter the career. With weight given to who is doing the hitting and who is being hit. There was a paper done by Milt Davis (PhD) and Pat Lombardi (PhD) and presented to the 56th Annual Meeting of the American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) back in 2009. It tracks players from the 2004 combine to the 2008 season and it corroborates the NFL data.
So that's why the Raiders took Janikowski. They're smarter than I thought.
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:03 PM   #85
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Not really revealing our hand. Peterson, as much as I love him, was probably only going to get heavy consideration if Bailey wasn't re-signed. Now that he was, we will focus on the trenches. Not a bad idea. Dareus, Fairley, Bowers -- come on down! I just hope we stay away from Quinn.
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:06 PM   #86
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Not really revealing our hand. Peterson, as much as I love him, was probably only going to get heavy consideration if Bailey wasn't re-signed. Now that he was, we will focus on the trenches. Not a bad idea. Dareus, Fairley, Bowers -- come on down! I just hope we stay away from Quinn.
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We showed our hand when we brought John Fox in as the head coach. I don't think that it's a huge mystery in the league that the Broncos will be drafting defense heavy this offseason.
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he's the next D Thomas
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You mean Derrick Thomas?
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Brian Xanders all but confirmed that Denver will be taking a defensive lineman on 104.3 The Fan today.

Right at the end of the interview he was asked what he was looking to do with the No. 2 pick and here was his answer. "We want a disruptive, playmaker that causes negative plays in the run game and in terms of sacks. That is a good person who loves football and wants to be a Denver Bronco for the next 15 years."

http://www.1043thefan.com/Channels/t...spx?ID=1368604
Xanders is dreaming...and dreaming big. In the era of free agency, there are very few players who play for one team their whole careers. Ray Lewis may accomplish that feat, but he's an exception. We just need someone who can fill a need, NOW...
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:22 PM   #92
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Von Miller is my nightmare possibility.
While I understand why you say this, he's quickly becoming my sure thing. I think this guy will be a hybrid terror and was REALLLLLLLY productive on the college level. Didnt he lead in sacks 2 years ago with like 17 or something?
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While I understand why you say this, he's quickly becoming my sure thing. I think this guy will be a hybrid terror and was REALLLLLLLY productive on the college level. Didnt he lead in sacks 2 years ago with like 17 or something?
Yep, and he has had four years of production and absolutely no character issues. Really stood out at the Senior Bowl.
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Old 02-23-2011, 04:48 PM   #94
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I hope he's better than Derrick Thomas. No dis intended cause he was a great pass rusher, but he was limited v. the run and a liablilty in pass. I like Miller too, and expect him to be a brute against the run, in the right sheme, but he seems to translate more into a will in a 4-3. That's one of two positions we actually have someone to man who might concievably be good enough to be a contending team.
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I hope he's better than Derrick Thomas. No dis intended cause he was a great pass rusher, but he was limited v. the run and a liablilty in pass. I like Miller too, and expect him to be a brute against the run, in the right sheme, but he seems to translate more into a will in a 4-3. That's one of two positions we actually have someone to man who might concievably be good enough to be a contending team.
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Defensive linemen in the pro bowl:

6 were 1st round picks
3 were 3rd round picks
2 were 5th round picks
1 was a 7th round pick

Corners in the pro bowl:

ALL were 1st round picks

Safeties in the pro bowl:

All from the AFC were 1st round picks.
2 in the NFC were below 1st round selections (1 was a 2nd rounder and 1 was a third)
Brent Grimes wasn't drafted.
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Brent Grimes wasn't drafted.
and though Tramon Williams wasnt a probowler, he wasnt drafted either.

Plus we play zone. I think Syd'quan will thrive in this system.
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Old 02-23-2011, 05:28 PM   #98
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I think we should draft Patrick Peterson anyway play him at both corner and safety. The DL position is so deep and the DB position is not so I think we pass on Bowers, taking a DT that high is not very safe, unless we decide to go with Dareus.

Worked out great for the saints with Malcolm Jenkins we have their old DBs coach as our DC

and I think Peterson is twice as fast and twice the prospect Jenkins is, hes a future pro bowler at CB or FS, these guys don't come along very much.
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Xanders is dreaming...and dreaming big. In the era of free agency, there are very few players who play for one team their whole careers. Ray Lewis may accomplish that feat, but he's an exception. We just need someone who can fill a need, NOW...
You know, thinking about this again I remembered that Xanders is terrible in interviews. He has been more of a behind-the-scenes guy and was called out on that in Elway's press conference. Maybe Ellis and Elway are letting Xanders wander around and run his mouth as a natural and effective disinformation service to confuse other teams.
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