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listopencil · 02-23-2011, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BMarsh615

Brian Xanders all but confirmed that Denver will be taking a defensive lineman on 104.3 The Fan today.

Right at the end of the interview he was asked what he was looking to do with the No. 2 pick and here was his answer. "We want a disruptive, playmaker that causes negative plays in the run game and in terms of sacks. That is a good person who loves football and wants to be a Denver Bronco for the next 15 years."

http://www.1043thefan.com/Channels/t...spx?ID=1368604

A D-Lineman wouldn't play for 15 years. A CB could.

Kaylore · 02-23-2011, 08:12 AM

Xanders was on the Ticket this morning and reiterated these sentiments about probably a defensive lineman. He also suggested they were going to focus mostly on defense in the draft this year.

phibacka31 · 02-23-2011, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Xanders was on the Ticket this morning and reiterated these sentiments about probably a defensive lineman. He also suggested they were going to focus mostly on defense in the draft this year.

Not that it's a surprise, but if true he is a dumbass for showing our hand...

Tombstone RJ · 02-23-2011, 08:30 AM

I hope there's a new CBA before the draft and a freaking rookie salary cap. If the Broncos take a DL with the #2 pick, it's gonna suck if they have to pay that DL more money than what Suh is getting.

That's really the main issue. There's no DL prospect in this draft that can hold Suh's cup, yet if the Broncos draft a DL and there is no new CBA, the Broncos will be forced to pay that DL prospect an enormous amount of money for a player with half the talent of Suh. Does not make sense.

Broncos should just trade down...

TheReverend · 02-23-2011, 08:30 AM

Defensive linemen in the pro bowl:

6 were 1st round picks
3 were 3rd round picks
2 were 5th round picks
1 was a 7th round pick

Corners in the pro bowl:

ALL were 1st round picks

Safeties in the pro bowl:

All from the AFC were 1st round picks.
2 in the NFC were below 1st round selections (1 was a 2nd rounder and 1 was a third)

bendog · 02-23-2011, 08:31 AM

yeah nobody'd suspect John Fox would want a dlineman. If Car takes bowers, it might alter the thinking.

Beantown Bronco · 02-23-2011, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by phibacka31

Not that it's a surprise, but if true he is a dumbass for showing our hand...

You're not "showing your hand" when you have an obvious need at DL, are picking 2nd, and there are three DLinemen predicted to go in the top 4.

bendog · 02-23-2011, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

You're not "showing your hand" when you have an obvious need at DL, are picking 2nd, and there are three DLinemen predicted to go in the top 4.

that's not true. Car know knows that if they want Bowers or Fairley, they'll have to take one before Den!

jhns · 02-23-2011, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

I hope there's a new CBA before the draft and a freaking rookie salary cap. If the Broncos take a DL with the #2 pick, it's gonna suck if they have to pay that DL more money than what Suh is getting.

That's really the main issue. There's no DL prospect in this draft that can hold Suh's cup, yet if the Broncos draft a DL and there is no new CBA, the Broncos will be forced to pay that DL prospect an enormous amount of money for a player with half the talent of Suh. Does not make sense.

Broncos should just trade down...

It would have been nice if our really bad year came a year earlier. Suuuhhhhhh!

As for the draft, I want Bowers. Elvis is coming off an injury and Ayers hasn't been very impressive yet. I would love to see a healthy Dumervile on one side with Bowers on the other.

Beantown Bronco · 02-23-2011, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

if the Broncos draft a DL and there is no new CBA, the Broncos will be forced to pay that DL prospect an enormous amount of money for a player with half the talent of Suh.

Not true. Draft picks won't make a penny until a new CBA is signed because team's won't be allowed to sign them, period.

There is zero chance that the new agreement will extend the "old rookie payscale". Literally neither side involved in the negotiations right now want to keep it, so it's safe to say a new, significantly lower rookie cap will be part of the new CBA. There's really no way around it.

Beantown Bronco · 02-23-2011, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bendog

that's not true. Car know knows that if they want Bowers or Fairley, they'll have to take one before Den!

SonOfLe-loLang · 02-23-2011, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

I hope there's a new CBA before the draft and a freaking rookie salary cap. If the Broncos take a DL with the #2 pick, it's gonna suck if they have to pay that DL more money than what Suh is getting.

That's really the main issue. There's no DL prospect in this draft that can hold Suh's cup, yet if the Broncos draft a DL and there is no new CBA, the Broncos will be forced to pay that DL prospect an enormous amount of money for a player with half the talent of Suh. Does not make sense.

Broncos should just trade down...

im not sure you understand how lockouts work

Tombstone RJ · 02-23-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

im not sure you understand how lockouts work

We will have to wait and see how things pan out with the new CBA. Everyone is guessing there will be a rookie cap, and there probably will be. That being said, nothing is known right now.

epicSocialism4tw · 02-23-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by phibacka31

Not that it's a surprise, but if true he is a dumbass for showing our hand...

I dont think thats any big secret.

TheReverend · 02-23-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

We will have to wait and see how things pan out with the new CBA. Everyone is guessing there will be a rookie cap, and there probably will be. That being said, nothing is known right now.

He's saying if a CBA isnt in place by the draft and we're heading for a lockout, we'll still draft the rights for the player we want, but won't do the contract until there is a resolution. So your concerns are moot.

Tombstone RJ · 02-23-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Not true. Draft picks won't make a penny until a new CBA is signed because team's won't be allowed to sign them, period.

There is zero chance that the new agreement will extend the "old rookie payscale". Literally neither side involved in the negotiations right now want to keep it, so it's safe to say a new, significantly lower rookie cap will be part of the new CBA. There's really no way around it.

I certainly hope there's a rookie pay scale, for the Broncos sake. It'd make signing a DL at the #2 pick much more enticing.

Tombstone RJ · 02-23-2011, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

He's saying if a CBA isnt in place by the draft and we're heading for a lockout, we'll still draft the rights for the player we want, but won't do the contract until there is a resolution. So your concerns are moot.

Until there's a new CBA, we are all guessing on what will happen with rookie contracts, especially players taken in the top 5-10 picks.

Beantown Bronco · 02-23-2011, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Everyone is guessing there will be a rookie cap, and there probably will be. That being said, nothing is known right now.

There are two parties involved in the negotiations:

The owners - clearly stated that they want the lower rookie cap
The current players - clearly stated they want the lower rookie cap because it means more $ for the vets.

Literally the only two parties who don't want the rookie cap (college kids declaring for the draft and their agents) aren't involved in the negotiations. It'll be pretty tough for them to win a contest that they can't enter.

CEH · 02-23-2011, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Xanders was on the Ticket this morning and reiterated these sentiments about probably a defensive lineman. He also suggested they were going to focus mostly on defense in the draft this year.

Vic asked Brian my question about Champ's comment about Josh and Xanders didn't answer it directly even though it was adirect quote from Champ

Xanders had no clue what Champ had said.

TheReverend · 02-23-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CEH

Vic asked Brian my question about Champ's comment about Josh and Xanders didn't answer it directly even though it was adirect quote from Champ

Xanders had no clue what Champ had said.

Which comment?

Inkana7 · 02-23-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Even Xanders isn't stupid enough to be giving real info away.

With the 2nd pick, it's not like he has to worry about showing his hand that much.

Beantown Bronco · 02-23-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Which comment?

"I thought about being on the market. But all in all, it didn't really take me to forgive them. There's new people in charge there. I know I could have got something worked out once Josh McDaniels left."

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...#ixzz1EnG7poNu

CEH · 02-23-2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Which comment?

Champ in his press conference yesterday
" I know I could have got something worked out once Josh McDaniels left."

Was there anyone who alienated All pro players more than Josh.

Popps · 02-23-2011, 10:13 AM

Logic is prevailing.

JDB7821 · 02-23-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

A D-Lineman wouldn't play for 15 years. A CB could.

Bowers turned 21 today. There are a lot of defensive linemen that can play until they're 36.

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02-23-2011, 08:12 AM	#52
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,014 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Xanders was on the Ticket this morning and reiterated these sentiments about probably a defensive lineman. He also suggested they were going to focus mostly on defense in the draft this year.

02-23-2011, 08:30 AM	#54
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,278 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	I hope there's a new CBA before the draft and a freaking rookie salary cap. If the Broncos take a DL with the #2 pick, it's gonna suck if they have to pay that DL more money than what Suh is getting. That's really the main issue. There's no DL prospect in this draft that can hold Suh's cup, yet if the Broncos draft a DL and there is no new CBA, the Broncos will be forced to pay that DL prospect an enormous amount of money for a player with half the talent of Suh. Does not make sense. Broncos should just trade down...

02-23-2011, 08:30 AM	#55
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ buy this... twice Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 32,975 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	Defensive linemen in the pro bowl: 6 were 1st round picks 3 were 3rd round picks 2 were 5th round picks 1 was a 7th round pick Corners in the pro bowl: ALL were 1st round picks Safeties in the pro bowl: All from the AFC were 1st round picks. 2 in the NFC were below 1st round selections (1 was a 2nd rounder and 1 was a third)

02-23-2011, 08:31 AM	#56
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	yeah nobody'd suspect John Fox would want a dlineman. If Car takes bowers, it might alter the thinking.

02-23-2011, 10:13 AM	#74
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	Logic is prevailing.