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Old 09-29-2010, 11:52 AM   #26
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Anti-globalism movements have been around for decades in an attempt to secure identity.

People want to drink Tarkhun, not Coke.
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Old 09-29-2010, 11:54 AM   #27
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I don't know how much, if any, of this is true. I am always suspect at the idea of secret cabals of world conquering evil-doers, believing they fit more into the scheme of a James Bond movie. The thing I find the most disturbing though, are the continuous attacks on our government from the Right. If any of the above is true, the only weapon Americans have to fight back against such forces is a government that they control. Right now, we do not have that. And any vestiges of independent government we have left are under a constant barrage of propaganda and corruption.

Many people don't seem to understand that a vacuum at the top will not exist. Either government has the power, vested by the people, controlled by the people, to control such forces as international banks, the military/industrial complex and global corporatism, or it doesn't, in which case, those forces will rule. In our times, we see the battle being lost. The propaganda of the Right says that government, our only defense, is in fact, the enemy. A brilliant propaganda ploy. This is why I argue that massive campaign reform should be our most crucial focus. It's probably already too late, but if we don't get the money out of our government, we have no hope. The recent SCOTUS ruling might be what historians of the future record as the death knell of our republic.

One thing we have going for us: Greed. If there was to be some kind of cabal of international pirate bankers and corporatists working to take over the world, their own greed would set them against each other at some point. To paraphrase Neil Young, Greed never sleeps.

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Old 09-29-2010, 12:14 PM   #28
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I don't know how much, if any, of this is true. I am always suspect at the idea of secret cabals of world conquering evil-doers, believing they fit more into the scheme of a James Bond movie.
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Old 10-01-2010, 08:56 PM   #30
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Lies of the Tea Party

Friday 01 October 2010

by: Joe Conason, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed

For Americans still suffering from persistent unemployment, falling incomes and rising inequality, politicians of either party probably generate little enthusiasm. Yet although political ennui is understandable, the disaffection and demoralization of Democrats has created a dangerous political vacuum that is being filled with misleading data, urban legends and outright lies.

Indeed, the entire tea party movement was founded on false assumptions about the economic program that probably saved the country from a second Great Depression.
The nascent protests that came to be known as the tea party began as angry populist rants against the Troubled Asset Recovery Program (TARP), that notorious "bailout" of drowning banks and insurance companies, and the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, better known as the "stimulus program."

Red-faced traders and furious housewives joined forces against what they wrongly called "socialism," warning that our freedom was endangered, and that the nation might soon perish under burgeoning inflation and draconian regulation. They grew even more frantic when the Obama administration directed hundreds of billions of dollars in TARP funds toward the auto industry in loans and shares -- more socialism!

The real reason behind the irritation of the traders and their spokesmen on cable television was simple enough. The government had restricted their usual obscene bonuses in recognition of the fact that they had been saved by taxpayer funds from their own gross misconduct -- and should be not be rewarded for surviving on the teat.
As for the tea party housewives and their cohorts, the motives ranged from xenophobia to paranoia. But as the recovery lagged -- and the Obama White House failed to communicate its aims and achievements -- those typical symptoms of right-wing delusion showed up in a broader segment of the voting public.

In the meantime, the Republicans and their allies in the media managed to mischaracterize the president's health care reform bill as both a "government takeover" and a gift to the health insurance industry, although in reality it was neither. Most Americans who say that they dislike the bill have very little knowledge of its actual provisions -- which are quite popular when polled individually.

The average voter is equally unlikely to know the essential facts about the preservation of auto companies, the stimulus package or TARP -- which was approved with the votes of the same Republican leaders they may soon promote into the majority.

Nonpartisan experts both within and outside government have said for months that TARP not only saved the country from untold economic disaster, but that its repayments and warrants will end up as highly profitable investments. The auto industry isn't quite as sure to prosper as the banks, of course, but there is a reasonable likelihood that the government will make money on those investments, too -- while preserving a vital industry and millions of jobs.

As for the stimulus, economists across the ideological spectrum have contradicted the popular perception -- promoted by tea party publicists -- that the program didn't work and may even have done harm. The Republicans insist that government cannot create jobs and that public expenditure only "crowds out" private-sector investment.

But contrary to that Chamber of Commerce mythology, the private sector is currently sitting on more than $3 trillion, in banks and corporate accounts, that is not being invested because of insufficient demand. Rather than the rampant inflation predicted by the tea party ideologues, we have seen no real inflation -- because demand is still insufficient to re-inflate the economy. The Barack Obama stimulus program was enough to prevent the complete deflation that might have led to a depression, but not enough to begin a full recovery in employment.

The same conservatives who now claim that Obama's program didn't work are those who once warned that President Clinton's program would lead to ruin -- just before the greatest peacetime expansion in history. Believe them at your peril.
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Look who's slinging the "propaganda" and "cartoon spam" now.

McDramaQueen breaks his own rules.

Republicans - The "do as I say - not as I do" party.
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Look who's slinging the "propaganda" and "cartoon spam" now.

McDramaQueen breaks his own rules.

Republicans - The "do as I say - not as I do" party.
Oh?

You dont like it?

I wonder why? Hm.....
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Old 10-01-2010, 09:37 PM   #34
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Oh?

You dont like it?

I wonder why? Hm.....
Couldn't care less about satire at the expense of politicians about whom I couldn't care less.

I was just noting your double standard.
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Couldn't care less about satire at the expense of politicians about whom I couldn't care less.

I was just noting your double standard.
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And there's the "can't deny the evidence that I'm all about the double standard."
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And there's the "can't deny the evidence that I'm all about the double standard."
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Translation: "Spamming the board is OK when I do it, because I'm a good, God-fearing, right-thinking Christian and a republican."

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Translation: "Spamming the board is OK when I do it, because I'm a good, God-fearing, right-thinking Christian and a republican."

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More like "LABF can dish it out, but when it gets thrown back at him he runs home to mommy."
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Let me guess: You heard this rumor from the same source that told you Iraq had WMD, that spending the surplus on tax cuts for the wealthy would stimulate the economy and create jobs, etc?
LABF has him some Obama Movement in a shadow box on his mantel.
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More like "LABF can dish it out, but when it gets thrown back at him he runs home to mommy."
"Runs?"

Ah, I guess you have to imagine that before you can declare an imaginary victory.

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LABF has him some Obama Movement in a shadow box on his mantel.
pissant1999e has him some monogrammed 'W' knee pads.
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The poll showing that 55% of Americans think Obama is a socialist (after he bailed out Wall Street and passed a health care bill designed to enrich the AMA, HBOs and Big Pharm) is the most mind boggling number we've seen -- since the poll back in 2003 showing that 70% of Americans believed that Saddam was behind 9/11.

This new poll about Obama is a triumph of the US propaganda system. It supports the contention that Obama was a Manchurian candidate from the beginning.

The guy can arouse a crowd -- while managing to say absolutely nothing. Think about how nuts that is.

But it does appear the rhetoric is no longer working. We are about to fly from the frying pan into the fire.
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Uh oh. Der Gaffernator is buying into the Manchurian Candidate conspiracy. There's no conspiracy made that Gaffo won't suck up, other than the conspiracy of innocence. He won't buy that one. Everybody is guilty.
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Every child born is innocent. In other words, waves of innocence enter the world every day. Just as waves of cynicism head for the exits.

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Absolutely.

Too bad that innocence is so quickly lost in the absence of grownups (who are in short supply these days.)
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Every child born is innocent. In other words, waves of innocence enter the world every day. Just as waves of cynicism head for the exits.

So I guess the aborted ones must be guilty.
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Oh please, the children are realizing how stupid their parents have been. The Boomers let the thieves rob America blind, now your "children" will be footing the bill.
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Oh please, the children are realizing how stupid their parents have been. The Boomers let the thieves rob America blind, now your "children" will be footing the bill.
Hopefully you're not referring to the Bush Youth.
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