Mad Men - Page 4 - The Orange Mane

Kid A · 07-26-2010, 09:50 AM

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Loved when Don lost his cool with the swimsuit maker (we make bikini's but we are prudes) and kicked them out of his office! Then at the end Don is telling the true story to the Wall Street Journal and telling it with bravado and arrogance.

Don started the episode down and broken, he ended it being the man he was before the divorce!

I think the Don we saw at the end might actually be different than who he was in previous seasons. The attitude we saw in the opening interview (refusing to talk about himself) and throughout the rest of the episode (reluctant to really take responsibility for the firm) was really par for the course, albeit he was more out of sorts that usual.

We've never seen him make much of an effort to sell himself - he preferred being an enigma, and his previous life/job allowed that. Now he sees (at the new company at least) he's going to have to take the situation by the balls if he wants to steer the company into the future and towards clients they need/want. Will we see this more in-your-face Don the rest of the way?

SonOfLe-loLang · 07-26-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by McKid A

I think the Don we saw at the end might actually be different than who he was in previous seasons. The attitude we saw in the opening interview (refusing to talk about himself) and throughout the rest of the episode (reluctant to really take responsibility for the firm) was really par for the course, albeit he was more out of sorts that usual.

We've never seen him make much of an effort to sell himself - he preferred being an enigma, and his previous life/job allowed that. Now he sees (at the new company at least) he's going to have to take the situation by the balls if he wants to steer the company into the future and towards clients they need/want. Will we see this more in-your-face Don the rest of the way?

It seems like a healthy mix, but Don is a bit conniving, so the end might just be a result of that. I found it interesting that he was intrigued by a young woman who was essentially Betty (even looked the same), so thats a sign that he's going to repeat the same mistakes...but we shall see. Great start.

Kid A · 07-26-2010, 09:56 AM

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It seems like a healthy mix, but Don is a bit conniving, so the end might just be a result of that. I found it interesting that he was intrigued by a young woman who was essentially Betty (even looked the same), so thats a sign that he's going to repeat the same mistakes...but we shall see. Great start.

Yeah I read somewhere else where they put it well: now that Don has freedom to openly have any woman, it looks like he might choose a Betty again.

Of course, he'll always want something on the side to slap him around a little...

TonyR · 07-26-2010, 09:57 AM

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...he was intrigued by a young woman...

I thought his reaction to having a woman play "hard to get" by turning down his "walk you to the door" advances was great. I was disappointed he would choose a prostitute over seeing her again at Thanksgiving, but I suppose it wouldn't be as good if he always did what he "should" do.

HEAV · 07-26-2010, 10:14 AM

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I thought his reaction to having a woman play "hard to get" by turning down his "walk you to the door" advances was great. I was disappointed he would choose a prostitute over seeing her again at Thanksgiving, but I suppose it wouldn't be as good if he always did what he "should" do.

He did seem intrigued by the 25 year-old opera actress. She also seems to be way ahead of the other women he has had in his life. She's a younger, more street smarter version of Betts.

Speaking of Betts, she's now a villian (in my eyes) more than a victim.

Swedish Extrovert · 07-26-2010, 11:37 AM

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He did seem intrigued by the 25 year-old opera actress. She also seems to be way ahead of the other women he has had in his life. She's a younger, more street smarter version of Betts.

Speaking of Betts, she's now a villian (in my eyes) more than a victim.

That's exactly what I'm thinking about Betts.

But what is it about the new woman that you see a lot of Betty in?

SonOfLe-loLang · 07-26-2010, 12:07 PM

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That's exactly what I'm thinking about Betts.

But what is it about the new woman that you see a lot of Betty in?

She completely is betty, even down to her looks. Mount Holyoke grad, Betty was a Bryn Mawr grad ( i believe?). Both incredibly proper, smart. Betty was a model, this girl an actress. Its the same girl, cept younger. I bet its exactly what betty was like before she had children, and she's not meant to be a housewife/mother.

Swedish Extrovert · 07-26-2010, 02:20 PM

I don't particularly think that this was the direction that Weiner was trying to take.

Well there is the actor/model aspect, but there's obviously a difference in modeling and opera. Seems like she was less proper, seeing as how she ordered the Chicken Kiev, even though Don reminded her that she needed to wear a bib. There's a big difference between Mt. Holyoke (Catholic) and Bryn Mawr (Quaker), too.

But seeing as how I once sympathized with Betty, she is turning into one of the show's main antagonists now, I think.

SonOfLe-loLang · 07-26-2010, 03:11 PM

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I don't particularly think that this was the direction that Weiner was trying to take.

Well there is the actor/model aspect, but there's obviously a difference in modeling and opera. Seems like she was less proper, seeing as how she ordered the Chicken Kiev, even though Don reminded her that she needed to wear a bib. There's a big difference between Mt. Holyoke (Catholic) and Bryn Mawr (Quaker), too.

But seeing as how I once sympathized with Betty, she is turning into one of the show's main antagonists now, I think.

You bring up good points, but this is the 1960s...so mt holyoke/bryn mawr are compared in the sense that they are both good all girl schools. They both seemed refined, though good point with the chicken kiev. but i have a feeling betty was like this before her children. Remember, this is the chick who shot animals with a ciggy hanging from her mouth.

Swedish Extrovert · 07-26-2010, 03:29 PM

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You bring up good points, but this is the 1960s...so mt holyoke/bryn mawr are compared in the sense that they are both good all girl schools. They both seemed refined, though good point with the chicken kiev. but i have a feeling betty was like this before her children. Remember, this is the chick who shot animals with a ciggy hanging from her mouth.

Also, check this out: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=68675

SonOfLe-loLang · 07-26-2010, 04:23 PM

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Also, check this out: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=68675

haha one of the best pics ever. And she was never meant to be a housewife/mother and resents her kids for it. Ahhh, her and Don made such an amazing miserable couple.

Kid A · 07-26-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

You bring up good points, but this is the 1960s...so mt holyoke/bryn mawr are compared in the sense that they are both good all girl schools. They both seemed refined, though good point with the chicken kiev. but i have a feeling betty was like this before her children. Remember, this is the chick who shot animals with a ciggy hanging from her mouth.

Yep. I don't know if the Betty parallels are going to be a big theme with this new girl, but I think they are at least subtlety hinting at it. Honestly, it didn't hit me until the back of the cab scene where her face looked strikingly like Betty.

Agreed that she was never meant to be a housewife. The Rome episode last year was her in her element - looking and living glamorous. The return back to suburban motherhood was crushing to her after that taste, and she quickly latched on to the first powerful man who gave her an opening.

ShutDownPoster · 07-26-2010, 06:32 PM

I loved this episode - it shows the incredible amount of pressure Don has to bring in business as he is the face of the franchise. He knows in order for SCDP to succeed they have to do creative that sets them above the pack - which is why he threw that Bikini pitch (totally love it when Don tells clients to I'd like to flip off!). He also realized by the end of the show, that he basically has to 'whore' himself out to the media.

So yes Don is back, as always - creatively his stuff is junk - but what Don is - he's a master manipulator and BS artist - and it's this type of ego that drives everything. One of my favorite Don quotes was when he went off once on Duck Phillips '...you need to be selling my ideas to them, not selling their ideas to me!'

Swedish Extrovert · 07-27-2010, 01:41 PM

For the significant number of people out there whose sole purpose of watching Mad Men is Christina Hendricks... or for people like me who think she is a perk from watching the show (no pun intended), this should be interesting.

And for people who are huge fans of the Shins and/or their side project Broken Bells, as I am, then Ms. Hendricks appearance in the most recent Broken Bells video for their single "The Ghost Inside" should be a fun watch:

Chris · 07-27-2010, 02:23 PM

Gotta be honest she looks better in Mad Men. All of a sudden Hollywood casts an actress with breasts and people freak. She is certainly hot though

Swedish Extrovert · 07-28-2010, 11:52 PM

Pardon my enthusiam... but if you are just getting into the show, here are some must-see scenes:

Also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltl0EQ9O7Gg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2bLNkCqpuY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR0w37yQ4MI

Chris · 08-04-2010, 08:36 AM

So, thoughts on the last episode?

The final scene with Don and the secretary was awful (great, but awful). The card saying "Thanks for all the hard work"... disgusting.

TonyR · 08-04-2010, 08:46 AM

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So, thoughts on the last episode?

The final scene with Don and the secretary was awful (great, but awful). The card saying "Thanks for all the hard work"... disgusting.

I'm not clear on what she expected. She was so disappointed. What am I missing? Obviously he never should have slept with her and clearly he didn't handle it well. But what are your thoughts on what the major fuel of her disappointment was? Also, she has to shoulder some of the blame herself. Yes he put her in a bad postions but the nurse across the hall resisted his advances so she could have as well.

On another topic, why does that Lucky Strike a-hole hate Roger so much?

Swedish Extrovert · 08-04-2010, 09:04 AM

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On another topic, why does that Lucky Strike a-hole hate Roger so much?

It was a power game just like a lot of the relations in Mad Men. He was showing Roger who was in charge.

Chris · 08-04-2010, 09:13 AM

I don't know about the lucky strike a-hole.

I think she obviously thought there was something there as evidenced by the kiss she gave to Don on the way out of the apartment. I'm not saying Don should have cuddled here in the office but there was a better way to handle it and in typical fashion he blew it. Bringing out the bonus in the same conversation? "Thanks for the hard work"? Makes her look like a whore.

Chris · 08-04-2010, 09:14 AM

On a separate note does anyone else miss the old offices? They were much better looking. I suppose the new look is more "mid 60s".

ShutDownPoster · 08-04-2010, 09:19 AM

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It was a power game just like a lot of the relations in Mad Men. He was showing Roger who was in charge.

Yeah - power game - but he doesn't know if his come on to Sal has gotten to the rumor mill yet, right??

TonyR · 08-04-2010, 09:30 AM

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I think she obviously thought there was something there as evidenced by the kiss she gave to Don on the way out of the apartment.

Upon reflection I think you're right.

SonOfLe-loLang · 08-04-2010, 09:48 AM

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It was a power game just like a lot of the relations in Mad Men. He was showing Roger who was in charge.

Deeeed joo enjoy der furors birsday?

Chris · 08-04-2010, 09:59 AM

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Deeeed joo enjoy der furors birsday?

Ah the only moment where they were obviously actors.

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07-26-2010, 02:20 PM	#83
Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 14,941 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	I don't particularly think that this was the direction that Weiner was trying to take. Well there is the actor/model aspect, but there's obviously a difference in modeling and opera. Seems like she was less proper, seeing as how she ordered the Chicken Kiev, even though Don reminded her that she needed to wear a bib. There's a big difference between Mt. Holyoke (Catholic) and Bryn Mawr (Quaker), too. But seeing as how I once sympathized with Betty, she is turning into one of the show's main antagonists now, I think.

07-26-2010, 06:32 PM	#88
ShutDownPoster raging lurker JUSTICE is served!! Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 750	I loved this episode - it shows the incredible amount of pressure Don has to bring in business as he is the face of the franchise. He knows in order for SCDP to succeed they have to do creative that sets them above the pack - which is why he threw that Bikini pitch (totally love it when Don tells clients to I'd like to flip off!). He also realized by the end of the show, that he basically has to 'whore' himself out to the media. So yes Don is back, as always - creatively his stuff is junk - but what Don is - he's a master manipulator and BS artist - and it's this type of ego that drives everything. One of my favorite Don quotes was when he went off once on Duck Phillips '...you need to be selling my ideas to them, not selling their ideas to me!'

07-27-2010, 01:41 PM	#89
Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 14,941 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	For the significant number of people out there whose sole purpose of watching Mad Men is Christina Hendricks... or for people like me who think she is a perk from watching the show (no pun intended), this should be interesting. And for people who are huge fans of the Shins and/or their side project Broken Bells, as I am, then Ms. Hendricks appearance in the most recent Broken Bells video for their single "The Ghost Inside" should be a fun watch:

07-27-2010, 02:23 PM	#90
Chris Millenium Scrooge McDuck Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7,498 Adopt-a-Bronco: OrlandoFranklin	Gotta be honest she looks better in Mad Men. All of a sudden Hollywood casts an actress with breasts and people freak. She is certainly hot though

07-28-2010, 11:52 PM	#91
Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 14,941 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	Pardon my enthusiam... but if you are just getting into the show, here are some must-see scenes: Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltl0EQ9O7Gg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2bLNkCqpuY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR0w37yQ4MI

08-04-2010, 08:36 AM	#92
Chris Millenium Scrooge McDuck Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7,498 Adopt-a-Bronco: OrlandoFranklin	So, thoughts on the last episode? The final scene with Don and the secretary was awful (great, but awful). The card saying "Thanks for all the hard work"... disgusting.

08-04-2010, 09:13 AM	#95
Chris Millenium Scrooge McDuck Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7,498 Adopt-a-Bronco: OrlandoFranklin	I don't know about the lucky strike a-hole. I think she obviously thought there was something there as evidenced by the kiss she gave to Don on the way out of the apartment. I'm not saying Don should have cuddled here in the office but there was a better way to handle it and in typical fashion he blew it. Bringing out the bonus in the same conversation? "Thanks for the hard work"? Makes her look like a whore.

08-04-2010, 09:14 AM	#96
Chris Millenium Scrooge McDuck Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7,498 Adopt-a-Bronco: OrlandoFranklin	On a separate note does anyone else miss the old offices? They were much better looking. I suppose the new look is more "mid 60s".