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Broncos4tw · 06-01-2010, 06:44 PM

There are a lot of black superheroes. Just make a flick featuring one of them, if you want a black superhero on the screen. The lengths they go to, to try and make it "right" baffle me.

Gcver2ver3 · 06-01-2010, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Spiderman is white, not black. It makes zero sense to the story to change the character to fulfill some BS political correctness. There are black superheros. Spiderman is not one of them.

saying there are black superheroes is like saying there are white rappers...

but it doesn't matter to me...i'm used to spidey being white myself...

TheReverend · 06-01-2010, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by extralife

Comic book dorks cry, news at 11. You can change a character, I promise. I know I've had enough of smart-alec goody two shoes emo white kid spiderman. If they feel like making him black, that's fine. I'm sure it'll suck either way.

Like it or not, that's the essence of Peter Parker. It's who he is, and why his character has been so relate-able for so long. If they changed the race, they'd still keep every part that you hate, apparently.

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Originally Posted by Jason in McLA

Well I see no issue with a black Karate Kid. But I'd be against a black Spiderman.

The Karate Kid doesn't have to be Daniel LaRusso. The Karate Kid was a different character in the 4th one (looked dumb so I never saw it). Actually, it was a female. Going by that, there really isn't a problem with the Karate Kid being a non white male. The character just has to be a kid. Either gender or any race would work.

But Spiderman is Peter Parker, and Peter Parker is a white guy. Only way it would work is if Spiderman wasn't Peter Parker, but some other guy. But that's kind of lame too. So we're back to Spiderman being played by a white actor. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

I actually think that considering a black actor as Spiderman is going to cause more problems than good. Now we'll have to hear all the lame ass statements that will put black people down.

Good post. I was just as mad about Karate Kid 4 being a woman.

Frankly, I don't think they'd even make a race switch for any reason other than potentially marketing the movie with it's shock value instead of trying to have it stand on it's own as a good movie.

Smilin Assassin · 06-01-2010, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

I heard 50 cent is now playing Dr Connor (The Lizard) and P Diddy is now J Jonah Jameson and the newspaper was scrapped and changed to a record label.

Have you seen "Fitty" lately? He may need to bulk up just to play the gecko in the Geico commercials. (Lost the weight to portray a football player stricken w/cancer in an upcoming movie)

GoBroncos84 · 06-01-2010, 06:47 PM

As a fellow comic book nerd, I guess I should weigh in on this. I agree that it can be very upsetting when they make significant changes to the source material, which is solid enough to remain constant and could be relayed through the film medium without significant change. Most comic book movies suck, big time. So many classic storylines are butchered (phoenix saga in X3, wolverine's origin story, etc) and turned into P.O.S. films. I can rant and rant about all of the issues I had with the movies I mentioned, but that is for another time.

A big question that needs to be asked is this: Does a physical characteristic like race really matter in terms of story? Is it any different than a 6'3" Hugh Jackman playing a 5'3" Wolverine? Famke Jansen not having green eyes despite the fact Jean Grey is notorious for having them? Maybe those things are less noticeable, but none the less a shift from the source material. I'd like for the filmmakers to have that attention to detail, but I have a much bigger problem with story changes than those kinds of things. Ultimately, spiderman being white or black shouldn't really impact his story at all. His skin color, to my knowledge, has never been a topic or focus of story in any of the comics.

I have no issue with black nick fury or kingpin. I think Sam and Michael do a decent job with those characters. I don't think you should make a "black spiderman" just to have one. That's stupid. However, if you are holding auditions for the character of spiderman and the person who does the best job at bringing the character to life is something other than white, so be it. Tobey Maguire was a HORRIBLE spiderman. Reading the comics, spidey is a major smartass. Constantly joking around. He isn't emo. He isn't flat and boring. He isn't as funny as deadpool, but possibly ranks number 2 in the comedy department. Give me a true to comic spiderman character and I couldn't care less what color he is. Don't give someone the part because he is a token, that is actually more racist. Give it to whoever will be the best at performing the role

s0phr0syne · 06-01-2010, 06:48 PM

Kid in Queens gets bitten by an altered spider and gets powers. Uncle gets shot, kid learns responsibility and decides to use powers for good. Has to balance responsibility to use powers with real life situations like homework, random high school girls, his frail aunt finding out his secret, and trying to rise up without great financial means.

I'm not sure where being white or black matters in his story.

sirhcyennek81 · 06-01-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Smilin Assassin

Have you seen "Fitty" lately? He may need to bulk up just to play the gecko in the Geico commercials. (Lost the weight to portray a football player stricken w/cancer in an upcoming movie)

Holy **** its Dave Chapelle.

TheReverend · 06-01-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by McGcver2ver3

saying there are black superheroes is like saying there are white rappers...

but it doesn't matter to me...i'm used to spidey being white myself...

Dude, they have bad ass black superheroes.

Bishop from X-Men was the ****, Blade was amazing until the movies ruined him, Powerman, Night Thrasher, and of course the best, War Machine.

They do have better black supervillians though... which could make for some social commentary.

TheReverend · 06-01-2010, 06:53 PM

Tyler Perry's "Spiderman 4"

STBumpkin · 06-01-2010, 06:54 PM

Seems like most people in favor are asking "why not". How about "why"? Why mess with something good, just to make waves and fill more seats? I hate when art is compromised for commercial gain.

sirhcyennek81 · 06-01-2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Dude, they have bad ass black superheroes.

Bishop from X-Men was the ****, Blade was amazing until the movies ruined him, Powerman, Night Thrasher, and of course the best, War Machine.

They do have better black supervillians though... which could make for some social commentary.

Jason in LA · 06-01-2010, 06:57 PM

We've already seen comments that elude to political correctness and "making things right." That's where this issue is going to go, and the comments will get a whole lot worse than those. Not that there is anything racist about those comments, but you know a lot of people will say those same things with a harsher tone and harsher words. I'm pretty sure N bombs are being dropped in many other message boards about this topic.

I don't see this as a PC issue at all. Seems like some producer wants to make some headlines, and people will just turn it into an anti PC debate. And then race wars will break out all over the place with all kind of horrible comments being tossed around. Yeah, that's just what we need.

hookemhess · 06-01-2010, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Broncos4tw

The lengths they go to, to try and make it "right" baffle me.

"They" being white liberal guilty people who make race an issue in the first place. Like when "they" hear a racist joke and cringe to publicly validate that they aren't racists. **** PC. I'm sorry, I said it.

I guarantee if I poll all my black friends, most if not all will think the idea of a black Spiderman is about as asinine as a white Blade.

GoBroncos84 · 06-01-2010, 07:01 PM

If race is essential to the character, you don't alter it. Black Panther could not be a white guy. You wouldn't cast a man to be Wonder Woman. However, I don't think Spidermans race has anything to do with who he is. Again, I am opposed to them casting a black spiderman for the sake of having one. I have no issues with them giving the part to a non-white guy if they are the best actor for that role. Race shouldn't even be an issue. They shouldn't cast a black actor in hopes that a black spiderman will garner more attention, and they shouldn't avoid casting a black spiderman if that individual will make the movie better.

Gcver2ver3 · 06-01-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Dude, they have bad ass black superheroes.

Bishop from X-Men was the ****, Blade was amazing until the movies ruined him, Powerman, Night Thrasher, and of course the best, War Machine.

They do have better black supervillians though... which could make for some social commentary.

i know they do...i follow comics...

but as a kid i wasn't too crazy aboot how we were represented...

its cool...like i said..doesnt matter to me now...

i like spidey white also...

hookemhess · 06-01-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason in McLA

We've already seen comments that elude to political correctness and "making things right." That's where this issue is going to go, and the comments will get a whole lot worse than those. Not that there is anything racist about those comments, but you know a lot of people will say those same things with a harsher tone and harsher words. I'm pretty sure N bombs are being dropped in many other message boards about this topic.

I don't see this as a PC issue at all. Seems like some producer wants to make some headlines, and people will just turn it into an anti PC debate. And then race wars will break out all over the place with all kind of horrible comments being tossed around. Yeah, that's just what we need.

Yeah, I definitely went that route. As someone who has grown up with a lot of black friends, I just hate it when people go so far out of their way to not be racist, thus making race an issue.

hookemhess · 06-01-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by McGcver2ver3

but as a kid i wasn't too crazy aboot how we were represented...

There is certainly an abundance of racism in all old mediums (film, radio, tv, comics, etc.).

STBumpkin · 06-01-2010, 07:10 PM

How about if a black actor has only a marginally better audition than a white actor for the role? Do you make Spiderman black then, or does it really matter with the crap that passes for action film writing these days?

hookemhess · 06-01-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by STBumpkin

How about if a black actor has only a marginally better audition than a white actor for the role? Do you make Spiderman black then, or does it really matter with the crap that passes for action film writing these days?

Big budget films don't have auditions. They are casted.

TheReverend · 06-01-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason in McLA

We've already seen comments that elude to political correctness and "making things right." That's where this issue is going to go, and the comments will get a whole lot worse than those. Not that there is anything racist about those comments, but you know a lot of people will say those same things with a harsher tone and harsher words. I'm pretty sure N bombs are being dropped in many other message boards about this topic.

I don't see this as a PC issue at all. Seems like some producer wants to make some headlines, and people will just turn it into an anti PC debate. And then race wars will break out all over the place with all kind of horrible comments being tossed around. Yeah, that's just what we need.

Yeah pretty sure not even Spiderman could be that catalyst...

STBumpkin · 06-01-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hookemhess

Big budget films don't have auditions. They are casted.

Great, that's irrelevant. I was responding to an earlier poster.

TheReverend · 06-01-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by McGcver2ver3

i know they do...i follow comics...

but as a kid i wasn't too crazy aboot how we were represented...

its cool...like i said..doesnt matter to me now...

i like spidey white also...

Aboot?!?!? Canadians deserve no representation! ...Eh?

Carmelo15 · 06-01-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by El Minion

So what, they changed Jesus from this:

to this:

LMAO! This.

sirhcyennek81 · 06-01-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Carmelo15

LMAO! This.

To be factual, Jesus was neither white or black.

He would have been similar to modern day arabs.

Gcver2ver3 · 06-01-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Aboot?!?!? Canadians deserve no representation! ...Eh?

oops...

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06-01-2010, 06:44 PM	#26
Broncos4tw Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,458	There are a lot of black superheroes. Just make a flick featuring one of them, if you want a black superhero on the screen. The lengths they go to, to try and make it "right" baffle me.

06-01-2010, 06:47 PM	#30
GoBroncos84 Perennial Pro-bowler Crucify the Ego Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 758 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	As a fellow comic book nerd, I guess I should weigh in on this. I agree that it can be very upsetting when they make significant changes to the source material, which is solid enough to remain constant and could be relayed through the film medium without significant change. Most comic book movies suck, big time. So many classic storylines are butchered (phoenix saga in X3, wolverine's origin story, etc) and turned into P.O.S. films. I can rant and rant about all of the issues I had with the movies I mentioned, but that is for another time. A big question that needs to be asked is this: Does a physical characteristic like race really matter in terms of story? Is it any different than a 6'3" Hugh Jackman playing a 5'3" Wolverine? Famke Jansen not having green eyes despite the fact Jean Grey is notorious for having them? Maybe those things are less noticeable, but none the less a shift from the source material. I'd like for the filmmakers to have that attention to detail, but I have a much bigger problem with story changes than those kinds of things. Ultimately, spiderman being white or black shouldn't really impact his story at all. His skin color, to my knowledge, has never been a topic or focus of story in any of the comics. I have no issue with black nick fury or kingpin. I think Sam and Michael do a decent job with those characters. I don't think you should make a "black spiderman" just to have one. That's stupid. However, if you are holding auditions for the character of spiderman and the person who does the best job at bringing the character to life is something other than white, so be it. Tobey Maguire was a HORRIBLE spiderman. Reading the comics, spidey is a major smartass. Constantly joking around. He isn't emo. He isn't flat and boring. He isn't as funny as deadpool, but possibly ranks number 2 in the comedy department. Give me a true to comic spiderman character and I couldn't care less what color he is. Don't give someone the part because he is a token, that is actually more racist. Give it to whoever will be the best at performing the role

06-01-2010, 06:48 PM	#31
s0phr0syne Symbiotic Absorb and Redirect Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,596 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Kid in Queens gets bitten by an altered spider and gets powers. Uncle gets shot, kid learns responsibility and decides to use powers for good. Has to balance responsibility to use powers with real life situations like homework, random high school girls, his frail aunt finding out his secret, and trying to rise up without great financial means. I'm not sure where being white or black matters in his story.

06-01-2010, 06:53 PM	#34
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ "not an athlete" Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 33,348 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	Tyler Perry's "Spiderman 4"

06-01-2010, 06:54 PM	#35
STBumpkin burnin' it at both ends Livin' The Dream Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bowie, MD Posts: 757 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	Seems like most people in favor are asking "why not". How about "why"? Why mess with something good, just to make waves and fill more seats? I hate when art is compromised for commercial gain.

06-01-2010, 06:57 PM	#37
Jason in LA Gimmie that rep fool! Speaking of Butts & Boob Mojo Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LA Posts: 12,254	We've already seen comments that elude to political correctness and "making things right." That's where this issue is going to go, and the comments will get a whole lot worse than those. Not that there is anything racist about those comments, but you know a lot of people will say those same things with a harsher tone and harsher words. I'm pretty sure N bombs are being dropped in many other message boards about this topic. I don't see this as a PC issue at all. Seems like some producer wants to make some headlines, and people will just turn it into an anti PC debate. And then race wars will break out all over the place with all kind of horrible comments being tossed around. Yeah, that's just what we need.

06-01-2010, 07:01 PM	#39
GoBroncos84 Perennial Pro-bowler Crucify the Ego Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 758 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	If race is essential to the character, you don't alter it. Black Panther could not be a white guy. You wouldn't cast a man to be Wonder Woman. However, I don't think Spidermans race has anything to do with who he is. Again, I am opposed to them casting a black spiderman for the sake of having one. I have no issues with them giving the part to a non-white guy if they are the best actor for that role. Race shouldn't even be an issue. They shouldn't cast a black actor in hopes that a black spiderman will garner more attention, and they shouldn't avoid casting a black spiderman if that individual will make the movie better.

06-01-2010, 07:10 PM	#43
STBumpkin burnin' it at both ends Livin' The Dream Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bowie, MD Posts: 757 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	How about if a black actor has only a marginally better audition than a white actor for the role? Do you make Spiderman black then, or does it really matter with the crap that passes for action film writing these days?