Have Aliens visited Earth

[robbieopperude]

80 percent believe that somewhere out there Aliens exist in some form.
Now debate on whether they have visited Earth.

[robbieopperude]

Reason 1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_Incident

The Roswell UFO Incident was the alleged recovery of extra-terrestrial debris, including alien corpses, from an object which crashed near Roswell, New Mexico, USA, in July 1947. Since the late 1970s the incident has been the subject of intense controversy and the subject of conspiracy theories as to the true nature of the object which crashed. The United States military maintains that what was actually recovered was debris from an experimental high-altitude surveillance balloon belonging to a classified program named "Mogul"^[1]; however, many UFO proponents maintain that in fact a crashed alien craft and bodies were recovered, and that the military then engaged in a cover up. The incident has turned into a widely known pop culture phenomenon, making the name Roswell synonymous with UFOs. It ranks as one of the most publicized and controversial alleged UFO incidents.^[2]

[tsiguy96]

no way, universe is too big.

but given the shear size of the universe, hundreds of trillions of planets, to straight say that not a single one of them has life is silly. we are unique. not THAT unique.

[Quoydogs]

I don't see how, I mean I no there are a lot of people that claim to have seen them but there descriptions are all different. But who knows really. Maybe they are misquotes?

[Swedish Extrovert]

No.

I would say mathematically impossible, but there is a non-empirical element to the universe, and I think it would be possible.

[UberBroncoMan]

In the future - please don't add stupid options that distort the poll...

Such as (I can't remember 3 hours or I've been probed).



I say NO - mathematically impossible, btw. Not just mathematically but scientifically as well unless they are immune to radiation or have absolutely absurd technology that can block nanoparticles.

Also, dammit OP. Again with a non-public poll!

[robbieopperude]

Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan

In the future - please don't add stupid options that distort the poll...

Such as (I can't remember 3 hours or I've been probed).



I say NO - mathematically impossible, btw. Not just mathematically but scientifically as well unless they are immune to radiation or have absolutely absurd technology that can block nanoparticles.

Also, dammit OP. Again with a non-public poll!

I like to protect people, especially when this discussion can also be deemed religious.

[robbieopperude]

I know that it is in peoples nature to want to believe. I guess the biggest reason why I believe in them visiting is because so very many people have said they exist. Not just the average joe but high ranking officials in all parts of the military have claimed to saw a UFO in all parts of the world. Even people in Nasa claim this.

[UberBroncoMan]

Originally Posted by robbieopperude

I like to protect people, especially when this discussion can also be deemed religious.

You act like it's something to be ashamed or embarrassed of lol. Even so. Please no more stupid options. Almost as many people can't remember as those who believe aliens have visited.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

My guess is no, though im not sure how its mathematically impossible. If a civilization has been around much longer than ours, and developed at a much more rapid pace, i suppose its possible. It would involve a ton of **** we can't possibly comprehend though.

[RonDaChamp24]

Don't believe in Aliens. Don't think they've visited here if there is though.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Quoydogs

I don't see how, I mean I no there are a lot of people that claim to have seen them but there descriptions are all different. But who knows really. Maybe they are misquotes?

So if the Divine Creative Source is everywhere and is all things would it not make sense that an advanced being could transport it's Divine spark (Individual self) to anywhere within the vast matrix that we call the Universe including earth . Call it shift shaping on a universal level.

[sisterhellfyre]

Originally Posted by robbieopperude

80 percent believe that somewhere out there Aliens exist in some form. Now debate on whether they have visited Earth.

Option 1A: Yes, they have visited, but not often or frequently as said in Option 1. It's not like Earth (as far as I know) is a galactic McDonald's drive-through or something.

The hangup many of us have about the possibility of visitation is the distance between stars and the immense amounts of time traveling by conventional means from here to there. I'd think we're being a bit short-sighted about that.

My feeling is that the next breakthrough in space travel, when we find it, will seem to come right out of left field somewhere. It'll be the work of a team, a department, maybe even a single scientist who's able to suspend her preconceptions about our understanding of physics to see a whole new way of doing things. Something that we just haven't seen yet, but the math adds up so that 2+3+1+1=7 as surely as 1+1+1+1+1+1+1=7.

My guess is that The Discovery will look something like quantum entanglement: the realization that distance is an illusion of scale, but the underlying... nature... of the beast is infinite and eternal on the near, short end as much as the long, far end. We're seeing first experiments already with quantum entanglements, where a variation in the motion of one particle instantly changes the motion of its entangled partner. The distance between them does not seem to matter. The current experiments have an eye toward possible development of quantum communications and computing. The theories in place now might be enough to support the development of a simple quantum Morse code.

Just as an off-hand, first-try thought: what would it mean to have instantaneous data transfer and command capabilities with the satellites studying Saturn? Quantum communications like that might not be subject to the speed of light limits. Remember that the speed of light is, by definition, the speed of light in relation to the observer and environment of the observation.

If the speed of light is a chalk streak across a chalkboard, does the speed of light apply to sending a ripple of energy through the chalkboard itself?

Whatever "The Discovery" proves to be, it's going to challenge (and possibly change) everything we think we know about ourselves and the universe. And all of a sudden, we just might find that Alpha Centauri really is "just around the corner and down four blocks" after all.

[randomtask]

Originally Posted by sisterhellfyre

Option 1A: Yes, they have visited, but not often or frequently as said in Option 1. It's not like Earth (as far as I know) is a galactic McDonald's drive-through or something.

The hangup many of us have about the possibility of visitation is the distance between stars and the immense amounts of time traveling by conventional means from here to there. I'd think we're being a bit short-sighted about that.

My feeling is that the next breakthrough in space travel, when we find it, will seem to come right out of left field somewhere. It'll be the work of a team, a department, maybe even a single scientist who's able to suspend her preconceptions about our understanding of physics to see a whole new way of doing things. Something that we just haven't seen yet, but the math adds up so that 2+3+1+1=7 as surely as 1+1+1+1+1+1+1=7.

My guess is that The Discovery will look something like quantum entanglement: the realization that distance is an illusion of scale, but the underlying... nature... of the beast is infinite and eternal on the near, short end as much as the long, far end. We're seeing first experiments already with quantum entanglements, where a variation in the motion of one particle instantly changes the motion of its entangled partner. The distance between them does not seem to matter. The current experiments have an eye toward possible development of quantum communications and computing. The theories in place now might be enough to support the development of a simple quantum Morse code.

Just as an off-hand, first-try thought: what would it mean to have instantaneous data transfer and command capabilities with the satellites studying Saturn? Quantum communications like that might not be subject to the speed of light limits. Remember that the speed of light is, by definition, the speed of light in relation to the observer and environment of the observation.

If the speed of light is a chalk streak across a chalkboard, does the speed of light apply to sending a ripple of energy through the chalkboard itself?

Whatever "The Discovery" proves to be, it's going to challenge (and possibly change) everything we think we know about ourselves and the universe. And all of a sudden, we just might find that Alpha Centauri really is "just around the corner and down four blocks" after all.

I mostly agree with your take. There's just too much missing or wrong in the current model to judge interstellar travel impossible, simply improbable.

[sirhcyennek81]

There is nothing on earth that compares to how time and distance relate in space. We are seeing stars shining bright in the sky tonight that blew up a few million years ago. As we currently understand things, it would be impossible to travel from one planet to another in another galaxy.

Would you want to meet a being from another planet? Its not going to be like ET. I tend to agree with Hawking. We cannot assume aliens would be benign. They would come here to take what they need and move on...like ID4, but without a wisecracking pilot and an eco-nerd who is also a hacker saving the planet.

[atomicbloke]

I do not know enough about the physics of space travel to give an informed answer.

Since the thread starter intended this to be a serious poll and not just a fun one, I will abstain from voting.

Seriously, how am I supposed to vote on a topic I know nothing about?

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by atomicbloke

I do not know enough about the physics of space travel to give an informed answer.

Since the thread starter intended this to be a serious poll and not just a fun one, I will abstain from voting.

Seriously, how am I supposed to vote on a topic I know nothing about?

Its the Mane. This is what we do.

[robbieopperude]

Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan

You act like it's something to be ashamed or embarrassed of lol. Even so. Please no more stupid options. Almost as many people can't remember as those who believe aliens have visited.

Ugh..that was supposed to be a hint at being abducted. To many "punks" messing with the pole. You are right... no more funny answers to good poll topics.

[robbieopperude]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

There is nothing on earth that compares to how time and distance relate in space. We are seeing stars shining bright in the sky tonight that blew up a few million years ago. As we currently understand things, it would be impossible to travel from one planet to another in another galaxy.

Would you want to meet a being from another planet? Its not going to be like ET. I tend to agree with Hawking. We cannot assume aliens would be benign. They would come here to take what they need and move on...like ID4, but without a wisecracking pilot and an eco-nerd who is also a hacker saving the planet.

I also tend to agree with Hawking that another being could be hostile but I also believe they could be more enlightened than us as well.

We have all sorts of ways of life on Earth. I think the same applies to how life would function on other planets.

I often wonder how much more we as humans could do if we used more of our brain capacity. I have a feeling we will be a lot further along with a discussion like this in 2040 when technology really allows us to explore the Cosmos.

[Blart]

Bacteria or some other low lifeform may have hitched a ride to earth on a meteor (then perished upon reaching the atmosphere), which would make for an understandable lack of evidence.

Intelligent life has not visited earth, as there is no reasonable explanation for the lack of evidence.

[robbieopperude]

Originally Posted by Blart

Bacteria or some other low lifeform may have hitched a ride to earth on a meteor (then perished upon reaching the atmosphere), which would make for an understandable lack of evidence.

Intelligent life has not visited earth, as there is no reasonable explanation for the lack of evidence.

I would say a very reasonable explanation for lack of evidence is that it would change the worlds perspective on religion and government. It would likely cause mass hysteria worldwide. To me that is a good reason to cover up and deny any visitation.

Evidence for:
Millions of reported sightings from all around the world, claims of abductions, cattle mutilations, Roswell, numerous military officials claims they exist, unexplained videos, photos, recorded broadcasts, secret military bases and cover up initiatives, and people on there deathbed who swear they landed but had to take an oath of secrecy.

[ScottXray]

I think that there probably is /has been other intelligent life out there somewhere. The sheer numbers of stars and probable planets with life just in OUR galaxy indicate it is probable, and the number of galaxies in the universe are also in the same range. Billions of billions of galaxies with multi billions of stars.

However, even if there are other civilisations that are at or above our level of technology, the odds that any of them are so close to us that we would be able to attract their attention (say from our radio signals, which at most have reached 110 light years distance, and the earliest were exceedingly weak) are pretty slim. And the fact that we are listening for similar radio signals yet have found none that are regular enough to indicate a similar technology, indicate that either technology such as ours is exceeding rare or that there is a basic flaw in our search /thought process. Intelligent life may be common , but technological intelligent life may only occur in one out of a billion intelligent species. And perhaps even fewer of those survive their technological phase. Those that do, may abandon tech either due to choice or lack of resources to continue it. Or perhaps those that do are "culled" by some other vastly superior technological super species (most likely to be artificial life, which could withstand generational travel methods much better than organic life ...(skynet in spades)

Are we regularly visited by them....NO, due to the vast distances
to be overcome. And the odds that two similarly technological species arise at the same time in the same area (say 1000 light years sphere) and develope a FTL transportation system that would enable one to "visit" the other are almost exceedingly slim. The odds that the visitor would even care to visit the other are also slim.

I do feel that it is possible that the earth may have been visited at some point in the distant past. Perhaps even some genetic, DNA manipulation mave have been done which pushed us in our developement as a species. But this would have been many thousands of years ago, and any real evidence is speculative. And the motive for doing so with a return based on a many thousand year unknown payoff would be pretty slim too.

The really strange thing is I have also seen UFOs, but looking back on it they could have been military secret aircraft, although the types of flight (right angle turns, etc) seen would smear any pilot all over the inside of any manned crafts cockpit. Our government does NOT always tell us what they are doing.

[Rabb]

Originally Posted by atomicbloke

I do not know enough about the physics of space travel to give an informed answer.

Since the thread starter intended this to be a serious poll and not just a fun one, I will abstain from voting.

Seriously, how am I supposed to vote on a topic I know nothing about?

ask jhns, he does it on every post

[Bronco Yoda]

[QUOTE=sisterhellfyre;2833767]Option 1A: Yes, they have visited, but not often or frequently as said in Option 1. It's not like Earth (as far as I know) is a galactic McDonald's drive-through or something.

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[Hogan11]

Q: Have Aliens visited Earth?

A: Ever walk through the Quallcom Stadium parking lot on gameday?