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Old 10-05-2007, 09:58 AM   #351
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Peyton Manning is NOT awesome. He's moderately appealing in a cornpone way. However, his head is too big and his legs are skinny...both minuses as far as I'm concerned. He'll get to the hall based on numbers, and I suspect a LOT of guys will do so in the future. ESPN has already calculated Manning will outstrip Favre's records long before he's done (barring injury or age). Palmer probably will too, along with some other guys not on the radar yet.
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Guess we better boot Champ from the team. He just said Peyton is awesome and the best Qb in the game.
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Peyton Manning is NOT awesome. He's moderately appealing in a cornpone way. However, his head is too big and his legs are skinny...both minuses as far as I'm concerned. He'll get to the hall based on numbers, and I suspect a LOT of guys will do so in the future. ESPN has already calculated Manning will outstrip Favre's records long before he's done (barring injury or age). Palmer probably will too, along with some other guys not on the radar yet.
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Circle Orange is what is passing for a female these days. With that knowledge, your bolded sentence of her quote makes much more sense doesnt it.
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Just great.

First we have a post about how Manning's head is too big and his legs are skinny...Then we have an entire thread talking about Dumervil's small package.

Just when you think this place couldn't go any further in the crapper....
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That's the way it goes these days...message boards all over the place use references to female body parts and "negative" traits. So, I just spin the wheel in another direction.

And yes, I more than pass for a girl. Hee hee.

Curious you didn't focus on the rest of the thread, where I said other qbs will likely outstrip the records. Oh well, sex sells I suppose.
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Wow, I guess Mr. Awesome has trouble when he faces a real defense.

What a surprise. The marquee game of the season... decided NOT by quarterbacks, but by defense.

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Wow, I guess Mr. Awesome has trouble when he faces a real defense.

What a surprise. The marquee game of the season... decided NOT by quarterbacks, but by defense.

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Not entirely true. Although the Indy defense did force 2 Ints from Brady he still was clutch down the line when he needed to be. But as good as the Indy defense is it couldnt stop a top of the line Qb.
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Not entirely true. Although the Indy defense did force 2 Ints from Brady he still was clutch down the line when he needed to be. But as good as the Indy defense is it couldnt stop a top of the line Qb.
Sure, and Mr. Awesome probably would have been clutch, too... except he had a defender all up in his Kool-aid every time he tried to drop back on that last series, eventually ending up in a sack/strip and a game-ending play.

Defense wins championships, even in a high-scoring league.

Captain Awesome is only as awesome as the opposing defense allows him to be.

New England keeps him under 25... we let him run up scores in the 30s and 40s.

Like I said, the Football 101 lesson continues every week for those who thought we'd swap out our QB and be a SB contending team.
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Old 11-04-2007, 08:48 PM   #360
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Wow, I guess Mr. Awesome has trouble when he faces a real defense.

What a surprise. The marquee game of the season... decided NOT by quarterbacks, but by defense.

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Football 101.

The Colts held them to 10 points for most of the game, late into the 3rd Qtr. Then bang! The Offense that we have seen every game this year comes to life and scores 2 TDs in a couple of minutes.

Wes Welker and Moss had allot to do with that. I think maybe Brady the QUATERBACK! did also.

Defense USED to win you championships, back in the day. In this modern day NFL its about scoring the most points not holding the other team w/ Defense and a running game.

That concept no longer applies. Look at how we lost to Indi. We tried to establish a running game early and mowed them over, we physicall dominated them. Kept Manning off the field for a while, made it close for a while and still got rocked!

Just like that, Bang!
When the the game was finally over, the score said that it was a blowout, a humiliating loss.
Because our D could not contain Manning. Look, Manning and Brady are the best two.
We now have someone who looks like he can at least give us a chance to compete with them in the future.

Your really need to let the whole thing Plummer go man, be realistic, yes our D does suck a$$, and what? it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter when the your opponent sets the tone and dictates the flow of the game.

Isn't that what we used to do?
Bang just like that Denver 21 Dallas 0 through a running game and Play Action. It didn't matter how much our D would gamble. The other team had to gamble just to try to get in the game.

Things change, seasons change. The league has changed. The league is setup for QBs to rake in the millions for the owners. Running back are interchangeable, Defensive Ends are probably the hardest and easily the riskiest position to gamble your salary cap on. That being said they can most likely change the game with just one play. Like Doom did against Pitt. It looks like we have a gem in Doom (late round pick) and have serious talent in Moss #1 pick.

We needed a serious safety which is what I wanted other than Cutler. A total game changer.

Our LBacking unit has totally killed the effect that Bly could have had, Offenses quickly picked on DJ an kept opening up the middle and the edges, allowing teams to spread us out and setup the pass through the middle and edges and then run us inside, they knew that if the OL could maintain and get the RB to second level DJ would not be in position and that has been the case allot this year. There is a reason why corners play in the corner. We need a MLB bad, someone with the same natural born leadership and instinct that #56 Wilson brought since he first stepped on the field as a rook. We miss him allot, just his pressence. DJ doesn't have it, we miss that fire.

Gold has to go put DJ back at WLB, I now believe in Sundquist enough to trust our #1 w/ a DT and if not a game changing S. We can get a good MLB in the later rounds.

And this is just so we can contain the New England's and Indi's of the world and hopefully by year 3 with more weapons for Cutler and Sheff and Marshall also w/ more experience we can put up more points as long as Shanny removes the chains he has on Cutler thanks to your boy Plummer.

NE and Indi have evolved to a point that we would have never been able to set foot on the field for a playoff game again as long as we would have kept Plummer and drafted an all world DE or DT.

Shore up the Special Teams and atleast keep it even w/ other teams and you will see that Cutler is light years a better FOOTBALL player than Plummer ever would dream of being.

He gives us a fighting chance we are just a couple of years behind those two teams right now.

NE's D will get real old real soon after this season and with it will go most of the leaders and brains that implement Bill's scheme. This will create a window opening to allow teams w/ a good offense to catch up to them and become competitive.

That offense right now is outta control and Manning and Colts own us.

It drives me crazy when people still try to pull the Plummer card around here.

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Football 101.

Your really need to let the whole thing Plummer go man, be realistic, yes our D does suck a$$, and what? it doesn't matter.
Maybe you misread the post. Seeing as how you're having difficulty writing a complete sentence, I suppose it shouldn't surprise anyone.

The thread isn't about Plummer. He's gone, and I'm a huge Cutler fan. (As irrelevant as that is to the conversation.)

The thread is about how unbeatable Captain Awesome is or isn't.

The lesson for folks like yourself is that he IS very beatable for teams with a real NFL defense. We don't have one, so he kicks our ass sideways. Confused Broncos may then resort to praising him instead of criticizing our defensive unit.

Even FURTHER confused fans like yourself may talk about Jake Plummer, Briwn Griese, Malon Briscoe or any other irrelevant player from the past.






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Defense USED to win you championships, back in the day. In this modern day NFL its about scoring the most points not holding the other team w/ Defense and a running game.
Ummm... you probably missed the game today. Both teams with a score in the mid 20s and a defensive play decided the game. Maybe you're thinking of your video game system football?


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It drives me crazy when people still try to pull the Plummer card around here..
I agree. You should quit doing it. No one else here has mentioned his name today but you.
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Football 101.

The Colts held them to 10 points for most of the game, late into the 3rd Qtr. Then bang! The Offense that we have seen every game this year comes to life and scores 2 TDs in a couple of minutes.

Wes Welker and Moss had allot to do with that. I think maybe Brady the QUATERBACK! did also.

Defense USED to win you championships, back in the day. In this modern day NFL its about scoring the most points not holding the other team w/ Defense and a running game.

That concept no longer applies. Look at how we lost to Indi. We tried to establish a running game early and mowed them over, we physicall dominated them. Kept Manning off the field for a while, made it close for a while and still got rocked!

Just like that, Bang!
When the the game was finally over, the score said that it was a blowout, a humiliating loss.
Because our D could not contain Manning. Look, Manning and Brady are the best two.
We now have someone who looks like he can at least give us a chance to compete with them in the future.

Your really need to let the whole thing Plummer go man, be realistic, yes our D does suck a$$, and what? it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter when the your opponent sets the tone and dictates the flow of the game.

Isn't that what we used to do?
Bang just like that Denver 21 Dallas 0 through a running game and Play Action. It didn't matter how much our D would gamble. The other team had to gamble just to try to get in the game.

Things change, seasons change. The league has changed. The league is setup for QBs to rake in the millions for the owners. Running back are interchangeable, Defensive Ends are probably the hardest and easily the riskiest position to gamble your salary cap on. That being said they can most likely change the game with just one play. Like Doom did against Pitt. It looks like we have a gem in Doom (late round pick) and have serious talent in Moss #1 pick.

We needed a serious safety which is what I wanted other than Cutler. A total game changer.

Our LBacking unit has totally killed the effect that Bly could have had, Offenses quickly picked on DJ an kept opening up the middle and the edges, allowing teams to spread us out and setup the pass through the middle and edges and then run us inside, they knew that if the OL could maintain and get the RB to second level DJ would not be in position and that has been the case allot this year. There is a reason why corners play in the corner. We need a MLB bad, someone with the same natural born leadership and instinct that #56 Wilson brought since he first stepped on the field as a rook. We miss him allot, just his pressence. DJ doesn't have it, we miss that fire.

Gold has to go put DJ back at WLB, I now believe in Sundquist enough to trust our #1 w/ a DT and if not a game changing S. We can get a good MLB in the later rounds.

And this is just so we can contain the New England's and Indi's of the world and hopefully by year 3 with more weapons for Cutler and Sheff and Marshall also w/ more experience we can put up more points as long as Shanny removes the chains he has on Cutler thanks to your boy Plummer.

NE and Indi have evolved to a point that we would have never been able to set foot on the field for a playoff game again as long as we would have kept Plummer and drafted an all world DE or DT.

Shore up the Special Teams and atleast keep it even w/ other teams and you will see that Cutler is light years a better FOOTBALL player than Plummer ever would dream of being.

He gives us a fighting chance we are just a couple of years behind those two teams right now.

NE's D will get real old real soon after this season and with it will go most of the leaders and brains that implement Bill's scheme. This will create a window opening to allow teams w/ a good offense to catch up to them and become competitive.

That offense right now is outta control and Manning and Colts own us.

It drives me crazy when people still try to pull the Plummer card around here.

wow

I agree, explosive offensive plays dictated the winner of this game. indy had no receivers left and pats still had their stable going. notice also that the defenses played nothing like in previous NFL decades, everyone basically started from a nickel defense and put in more defensive backs from there. even accepting being run on most of the game.
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Captain Awesome foiled by a play-making defense.



Look, Manning is one of the best to ever play the position. But, you can't win SBs with that alone. New Orleans was just a more complete team, and it showed.
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Look, Manning is one of the best to ever play the position. But, you can't win SBs with that alone. New Orleans was just a more complete team, and it showed.
I still don't think that New Orleans were more complete. The Colts were essentially missing one of the best defensive linement in the NFL, an elite pass rusher, against a team that has been known to struggle a bit against a pass rush.

New Orleans won, but to say that they were that much better is a little bit of a stretch.
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I still don't think that New Orleans were more complete. The Colts were essentially missing one of the best defensive linement in the NFL, an elite pass rusher, against a team that has been known to struggle a bit against a pass rush.

New Orleans won, but to say that they were that much better is a little bit of a stretch.
Fair enough. But, New Orleans spent a lot of resources trying to put play-makers on the defensive side of the ball, and it paid off.

For all of the talk of the big armed QBs... it was a special teams and a defensive play that decided the game.
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Fair enough. But, New Orleans spent a lot of resources trying to put play-makers on the defensive side of the ball, and it paid off.

For all of the talk of the big armed QBs... it was a special teams and a defensive play that decided the game.
...that's because the big armed QB's ruled the day. They were both playing very efficient, very effective football. Both teams are shootout teams. Spread the offense and work the secondary.

The game hinged on a mistake. Something happened to where the timing was off on a route and a New Orleans DB took advantage of it.

Remember, the Colts were moving the ball down the field swiftly and looked destined to put up points. That was the only turnover of the game.

The coaching was more of a difference than the reliance on Manning. The Colts played conservative, and the Saints played all-out. It worked out for the Saints.
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I still don't think that New Orleans were more complete. The Colts were essentially missing one of the best defensive linement in the NFL, an elite pass rusher, against a team that has been known to struggle a bit against a pass rush.

New Orleans won, but to say that they were that much better is a little bit of a stretch.
With that lineman essentially missing, NO was more complete. Manning is still the best QB in the league, but Brees isn't far behind and he had the added compliment of a complete defense. It's amazing what a defense can do for your offense, good or bad.
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With that lineman essentially missing, NO was more complete. Manning is still the best QB in the league, but Brees isn't far behind and he had the added compliment of a complete defense. It's amazing what a defense can do for your offense, good or bad.
Sure.

His premise was that the Saints had invested in defense while the Colts had not, which is not true. The Colts were also missing Bob Sanders. They have a nice defense when their pieces are in place...I would say that its better than the Saints' defense.
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Oh, well. Colts will have a few months to think about how they got to be number 2.....
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Actually, the Saints have a DL that is totally unable to apply pressure, so they must rely heavily on the Blitz. To suggest that Brees benefited from a better D is nonsense. He benefited from a DC making better calls, and from playing a smarter game than Manning. He didn't play as well as Manning, he played better than Manning. Look at Mannings' stats after the 1st Qtr and Brees stats. They both were facing similar pressure from poor DL (actually, Indy seemed to give a little more pressure than NO), but Brees played a much smarter game after the 1st Qtr. In fact, if the Sean Payton had placed the game in Bree's hands at the goal line in the 2nd Qtr, it is likely NO would have scored 10 in that Quarter while Freeney was playing well. Despite the fact that Brees got hot in the 2nd qtr (and thereafter) would suggest he was the safer choice (as he proved in the second half). That being said, they almost scored anyways, if not for a slip by the NO's player.
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Sure.

His premise was that the Saints had invested in defense while the Colts had not, which is not true. The Colts were also missing Bob Sanders. They have a nice defense when their pieces are in place...I would say that its better than the Saints' defense.
And my premise was that at the time, the second half, NO's did have the more complete defense, for the exact reasons you've stated. While Freeney was in, NO's did not have much success on offense, after the half and Freeney wasn't a factor they had much more success. I do think, though, that the Saints did a much better job of adjusting than the Colts. The Saints D was not given enough credit throughout the season and they were generally a second half D. I do think the Colts D was overrated but that may be due to the multitude of injuries they had.
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And my premise was that at the time, the second half, NO's did have the more complete defense, for the exact reasons you've stated. While Freeney was in, NO's did not have much success on offense, after the half and Freeney wasn't a factor they had much more success. I do think, though, that the Saints did a much better job of adjusting than the Colts. The Saints D was not given enough credit throughout the season and they were generally a second half D. I do think the Colts D was overrated but that may be due to the multitude of injuries they had.
Right.

I think that one could make a pretty sound argument that the Colts have invested more in their defense, which when featuring all of its complement is quite capable, thereby rendering the original premise limp.
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Ah my first post of this glorious thread. I don't care what any of you manning nut swingers think. Elway>Manning. Had Elway not had a bunch of chumps and little amigos as teamates during his earlier years he would have racked up several more SB wins.
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with that lineman essentially missing, no was more complete. Manning is still the best qb in the league, but brees isn't far behind and he had the added compliment of a complete defense. It's amazing what a defense can do for your offense, good or bad.
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