Should they give Cutler another week, or start Hanie? - Page 12 - The Orange Mane

TonyR · 11-29-2009, 03:14 PM

I posted this in another thread earlier today...

Interesting article from Dan Pompei in the Chi Trib today:

...maybe the Bears tackles haven't been as bad as they have been portrayed. Read more below.

Numbers games Sacking the sack theory

Many of Cutler's performance issues this season have been attributed to the "unreasonable" amount of pressure he has been under. But the numbers tell a different story.

Cutler has been sacked 20 times in 10 games this season. But 13 quarterbacks have been sacked as many times or more.

Among the quarterbacks who have been sacked as much or more who have performed considerably better are Brett Favre (21 sacks), Aaron Rodgers (44), Tony Romo (25), Donovan McNabb (22), Ben Roethlisberger (29) and Philip Rivers (20).

Let's look at it another way. Cutler has been sacked on 4.9 percent of his dropbacks. There are 22 quarterbacks who have started the majority of their team's games who have been sacked on a greater percentage. Among them are Favre, Rivers, McNabb, Roethlisberger, Carson Palmer and Joe Flacco.

It is possible for a quarterback to avoid sacks but still get hit an inordinate amount of times. But that does not appear to be the case with Cutler either.

In fact, Cutler has been hit at a lesser rate than the other quarterbacks in the NFC North -- once every 7.1 attempts excluding sacks. Lions quarterbacks have been hit once every 6.6 attempts, Favre 6.3 and Rodgers 5.7.

What we can determine is Cutler is not accustomed to all the pressure. Last year with the Broncos, he was sacked only 11 times.

Thirty quarterbacks were sacked more.

So if Cutler's performance has been inordinately affected by pressure, it may have more to do with Cutler than his blockers.

Comprehend the trend Blocking not all that's missing from run game Most critics lay most of the blame for the Bears' inability to run on the offensive line, and there is no question the run blocking has been inadequate.

But Matt Forte also has not helped himself very much. Forte has broken only five tackles this season, according to STATS. That is tied for 23rd in the NFL.

Read the whole thing here: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...59,full.column

Florida_Bronco · 11-29-2009, 04:04 PM

Cutler needs to be sitting on the bench. He's played like total **** the last few weeks.

Williams · 11-29-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

Cutler needs to be sitting on the bench. He's played like total **** the last few weeks.

Not gonna happen... at least not yet. It's garbage time in a blowout. This is where Cutler racks up his bigtime stats.

cabronco · 11-29-2009, 04:14 PM

Maybe he needs an extended time out like Vince Young got. But after that boat load of money they gave him, thats not going to happen.

GreatBronco16 · 11-29-2009, 04:17 PM

For a franshise QB, he sure does suck.

NYBronco · 11-29-2009, 04:24 PM

The Broncos need 5 more games worth of suck from Jay.

Florida_Bronco · 11-29-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Great McBronco16

For a franshise QB, he sure does suck.

I bet his defense is really getting tired of Jay raping them with turnover after turnover.

cabronco · 11-29-2009, 04:25 PM

I think all the expert analysts from espin & nfl network that were dogging Pat Bowlen, McD & company for letting a "franchise" Qb go like that, deserves an extra large plate of crow right about now. Sure he's young enough to turn things around down the line, but I dont see it anytime soon.

KipCorrington25 · 11-29-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBronco

The Broncos need 5 more games worth of suck from Jay.

Exactly, I'm totally enjoying every minute of watching him **** the bed because it just improves our draft position but after this season I'm writing that douche bag off he isn't worth the attention.

Popps · 11-29-2009, 04:29 PM

Cutler plays the Rams next week. If he can't put up a respectable game at home against that JV squad, they should honestly bench him, and I'm not being remotely sarcastic.

TonyR · 11-29-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cabronco

I think all the expert analysts from espin & nfl network that were dogging Pat Bowlen, McD & company for letting a "franchise" Qb go like that, deserves an extra large plate of crow right about now.

How about all the "experts" right here on the Mane? And some of the dopes are still trying to make the argument. Although they're very quiet again after the win.

Popps · 11-29-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

How about all the "experts" right here on the Mane? And some of the dopes are still trying to make the argument. Although they're very quiet again after the win.

I won't name names... but think about the 5 most active posters, even 10 most active... late in the preseason. The Mopey Mafia has all but disappeared. Pretty fuggin' funny.

TonyR · 11-29-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

The Mopey Mafia has all but disappeared. Pretty fuggin' funny.

Some of them resurfaced the last couple of weeks but the T-giving win has chased them away again like cockroaches when you turn the lights on.

Bronx33 · 11-29-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

I won't name names... but think about the 5 most active posters, even 10 most active... late in the preseason. The Mopey Mafia has all but disappeared. Pretty fuggin' funny.

Did you see that new name for cutler? ( frown cannon)

lazarus4444 · 11-29-2009, 04:42 PM

Yeah i love that frown cannon nickname, hilarious.

broncocalijohn · 11-29-2009, 04:53 PM

the Bears vs opponent thread will never get the pages and views if Hanie is the QB. It just wouldnt be the same. We have a better chance of Bears stinking with Cutler at the helm.

Circle Orange · 11-29-2009, 05:00 PM

Interesting too, Jay doesn't even look as "fast" running now. Funny how reality bites. It's time to realize he sucks, Chicago. Time for Hanie!!

ScottXray · 11-29-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cabronco

I think all the expert analysts from espin & nfl network that were dogging Pat Bowlen, McD & company for letting a "franchise" Qb go like that, deserves an extra large plate of crow right about now. Sure he's young enough to turn things around down the line, but I dont see it anytime soon.

The pre game show on NBC today , they were talking about which of the three 2006 QB's the pundits would rather have. Ditka said " It's a lot harder to correct bad habits, than it is to instill good ones.....I'd take Vince Young."

Cutler is what we (some of us) thought he was .....and that ISN'T a franchise QB.

Popps · 11-29-2009, 07:13 PM

Ask any GM in the league, and they'd probably take Leinart AND Young over Cutler, at this point.

Why wouldn't you?

crazyhorse · 11-29-2009, 07:15 PM

You guys are funny.

Remember the old days when Cutler was an elite QB?

Popps · 11-29-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyhorse

You guys are funny.

Remember the old days when Cutler was an elite QB?

Ummmm, no.

Bronx33 · 11-29-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyhorse

You guys are funny.

Remember the old days when Cutler was an elite QB?

I remember a young QB progressing well and then some staff changes happened and he turned into a little p***Y ( i remember that)

crazyhorse · 11-29-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronx33

I remember a young QB progressing well and then some staff changes happened and he turned into a little p***Y ( i remember that)

That's convienient.

I remember it slightly different.

I remember saying he was over rated. But then, I'm right almost all the time.

BroncoBuff · 11-29-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Ask any GM in the league, and they'd probably take Leinart AND Young over Cutler, at this point.

Why wouldn't you?

That should tell you something.

Fortunes change, week in week out, season in season out.

Bronx33 · 11-29-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyhorse

That's convienient.

I remember it slightly different.

I remember saying he was over rated. But then, I'm right almost all the time.

Pulling shyt out of your ass is convenient but thats your bread and butter

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11-29-2009, 03:14 PM	#276
TonyR Franchise Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mid-Atlantic Posts: 15,584	I posted this in another thread earlier today... Interesting article from Dan Pompei in the Chi Trib today: ...maybe the Bears tackles haven't been as bad as they have been portrayed. Read more below. Numbers games Sacking the sack theory Many of Cutler's performance issues this season have been attributed to the "unreasonable" amount of pressure he has been under. But the numbers tell a different story. Cutler has been sacked 20 times in 10 games this season. But 13 quarterbacks have been sacked as many times or more. Among the quarterbacks who have been sacked as much or more who have performed considerably better are Brett Favre (21 sacks), Aaron Rodgers (44), Tony Romo (25), Donovan McNabb (22), Ben Roethlisberger (29) and Philip Rivers (20). Let's look at it another way. Cutler has been sacked on 4.9 percent of his dropbacks. There are 22 quarterbacks who have started the majority of their team's games who have been sacked on a greater percentage. Among them are Favre, Rivers, McNabb, Roethlisberger, Carson Palmer and Joe Flacco. It is possible for a quarterback to avoid sacks but still get hit an inordinate amount of times. But that does not appear to be the case with Cutler either. In fact, Cutler has been hit at a lesser rate than the other quarterbacks in the NFC North -- once every 7.1 attempts excluding sacks. Lions quarterbacks have been hit once every 6.6 attempts, Favre 6.3 and Rodgers 5.7. What we can determine is Cutler is not accustomed to all the pressure. Last year with the Broncos, he was sacked only 11 times. Thirty quarterbacks were sacked more. So if Cutler's performance has been inordinately affected by pressure, it may have more to do with Cutler than his blockers. Comprehend the trend Blocking not all that's missing from run game Most critics lay most of the blame for the Bears' inability to run on the offensive line, and there is no question the run blocking has been inadequate. But Matt Forte also has not helped himself very much. Forte has broken only five tackles this season, according to STATS. That is tied for 23rd in the NFL. Read the whole thing here: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...59,full.column

11-29-2009, 04:04 PM	#277
Florida_Bronco Got trolls? Welcome to Mile High, Brady! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 13,810 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brady Quinn	Cutler needs to be sitting on the bench. He's played like total **** the last few weeks.

11-29-2009, 04:14 PM	#279
cabronco Fish & Chips PFM Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: So.Cal. Posts: 5,469 Adopt-a-Bronco: wth happened	Maybe he needs an extended time out like Vince Young got. But after that boat load of money they gave him, thats not going to happen.

11-29-2009, 04:17 PM	#280
GreatBronco16 !!!TEAM!!! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bama Baby Posts: 5,847 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Defense	For a franshise QB, he sure does suck.

11-29-2009, 04:24 PM	#281
NYBronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,994	The Broncos need 5 more games worth of suck from Jay.

11-29-2009, 04:25 PM	#283
cabronco Fish & Chips PFM Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: So.Cal. Posts: 5,469 Adopt-a-Bronco: wth happened	I think all the expert analysts from espin & nfl network that were dogging Pat Bowlen, McD & company for letting a "franchise" Qb go like that, deserves an extra large plate of crow right about now. Sure he's young enough to turn things around down the line, but I dont see it anytime soon.

11-29-2009, 04:29 PM	#285
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,786	Cutler plays the Rams next week. If he can't put up a respectable game at home against that JV squad, they should honestly bench him, and I'm not being remotely sarcastic.

11-29-2009, 04:42 PM	#290
lazarus4444 Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,240 Adopt-a-Bronco: Coach McDaniels	Yeah i love that frown cannon nickname, hilarious.

11-29-2009, 04:53 PM	#291
broncocalijohn Famer of Rings My Dog Richard Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lake Forest, Orange County, Calif. Posts: 18,476 Adopt-a-Bronco: Simon Fletcher	the Bears vs opponent thread will never get the pages and views if Hanie is the QB. It just wouldnt be the same. We have a better chance of Bears stinking with Cutler at the helm.

11-29-2009, 05:00 PM	#292
Circle Orange SPOT ON. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Styxx, D.C. Posts: 3,956	Interesting too, Jay doesn't even look as "fast" running now. Funny how reality bites. It's time to realize he sucks, Chicago. Time for Hanie!!

11-29-2009, 07:13 PM	#294
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,786	Ask any GM in the league, and they'd probably take Leinart AND Young over Cutler, at this point. Why wouldn't you?

11-29-2009, 07:15 PM	#295
crazyhorse All Motor!! You can only hope to contain me Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,338	You guys are funny. Remember the old days when Cutler was an elite QB?