Should they give Cutler another week, or start Hanie? - Page 4 - The Orange Mane

BroncoInferno · 10-19-2009, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by McOSKIE!!!

Seems to me that the Denver Broncos ran the ball pretty damn well for about 15 weeks last year with Cutler at QB. I don't think the running woes have much to do with Jay Cutler. Rather the OL not blocking may play a role, but I'm not expecting you to understand that.

Of course it has to do with the OL blocking. My point is that all the nuthuggers kept telling us how Jay was going to make the Bears so much better, but he really hasn't. The threat of his arm didn't improve the running game like folks claimed it would; it got worse. I'm not saying that's his fault, just pointing out that Jay is NOT in the franchise QB category of guy who makes the players and team aroun d him better.

Tombstone RJ · 10-19-2009, 07:52 AM

NFCN is gonna be a fun division to watch. Vikes should walk away with the division and the packers and bears are gonna be clawing for a wild card. If the bearz can find their defense and get Forte running again, no reason why they can't compete for a playoff spot.

Nobody is talking about the inconsistent packers play. Hell, they are great on week, crappy the next too. Cutler and Rogers is gonna be a fun rivalry to watch for the next few years...

McDman · 10-19-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

NFCN is gonna be a fun division to watch. Vikes should walk away with the division and the packers and bears are gonna be clawing for a wild card. If the bearz can find their defense and get Forte running again, no reason why they can't compete for a playoff spot.

Nobody is talking about the inconsistent packers play. Hell, they are great on week, crappy the next too. Cutler and Rogers is gonna be a fun rivalry to watch for the next few years...

If the Packers had an offensive line, I don't think it'd be that close of a race. If Rogers had any time he'd be doing very well.

baja · 10-19-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

But why can't the Bears run the ball? You guys told us that Cutler's mere presence would vault Chicago's rush offense into the stratosphere. Instead, they are worse.

Very good question...

rastaman · 10-19-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Of course it has to do with the OL blocking. My point is that all the nuthuggers kept telling us how Jay was going to make the Bears so much better, but he really hasn't. The threat of his arm didn't improve the running game like folks claimed it would; it got worse. I'm not saying that's his fault, just pointing out that Jay is NOT in the franchise QB category of guy who makes the players and team aroun d him better.

Cutler led the Bears in rushing and passing last night!. This years Bears O line is so dreadful that not even Kyle Orton would have a winning record at this stage had he been the Bears Qb for the 09 season. Its not so much that the threat of Jays Arm didn't improve the running game as much as it is the Bears O line just isn't getting it done thus far. No excuse for his first half interceptions, however you can't have a Franchise QB perform up to expectations if the O line isn't getting it done.

But you must admit, Cutler had the Bears in position to tie the game up inside the Red Zone, however without any type of running attack to speak of, ATL's defense just had to play and cheat on the pass.

Popps · 10-19-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rastaman

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But you must admit, Cutler had the Bears in position to tie the game .

I've heard this a few times, now.

Apparently... to qualify for "franchise quarterback" status, the new criteria is that at some point in a game, you must stop throwing interceptions and get your team close enough to tie. Not winning... not playing mistake-free, but just simply having one drive with enough "rocket-armed" throws to make ESPN's highlights later that night.

So, play like **** most of the game... throw INTs, but as long as you almost tie at some point.... you're "franchise."

Popps · 10-19-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by baja

Very good question...

They managed to run the ball last year and the line should be the same or slightly better.

Bronco Boy · 10-19-2009, 09:20 AM

The Bears have essentially the same problem that the Chiefs have, in that their line is so horrible that it just doesn't make sense to employ a highly compenstated quarterback. This really rings true with Cutler, because he makes a couple bad decisions per game which actually make the team much worse off. Sure, Hanie may not have the big arm, but as long as he didn't make huge mistakes like Cutler does they might actually win more games with him starting, and at a much cheaper price.

TonyR · 10-19-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Yeah, the Jay nuthuggers kept telling us to watch Jay now that he has a defense and a quality RB (who will get better because of Jay).

They had it all figured out, didn't they?

SportinOne · 10-19-2009, 09:29 AM

You guys are just so scornful. Let it go. Cutler didn't fumble the ball on the goal line. Cutler also gave Clark a pretty accurate throw on 4th down which Clark acted like he didn't even see and just stuck his elbow out at it.

The bears just aren't a cohesive unit on offense right now. Yeah, Cutler chose the wrong game to throw picks but it's not like he hindered the team. Not many people in the league make some of the 3rd down throws he made on those last two drives.

skpac1001 · 10-19-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by McChamp

You guys are just so scornful. Let it go. Cutler didn't fumble the ball on the goal line. Cutler also gave Clark a pretty accurate throw on 4th down which Clark acted like he didn't even see and just stuck his elbow out at it.

The bears just aren't a cohesive unit on offense right now. Yeah, Cutler chose the wrong game to throw picks but it's not like he hindered the team. Not many people in the league make some of the 3rd down throws he made on those last two drives.

It is true that Cutler has a rare ability to almost bring his team back from the holes he puts them in.

rastaman · 10-19-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Popps

I've heard this a few times, now.

Apparently... to qualify for "franchise quarterback" status, the new criteria is that at some point in a game, you must stop throwing interceptions and get your team close enough to tie. Not winning... not playing mistake-free, but just simply having one drive with enough "rocket-armed" throws to make ESPN's highlights later that night.

So, play like **** most of the game... throw INTs, but as long as you almost tie at some point.... you're "franchise."

So would you consider Orton a Franchise Qb since he has played error free Football thus far? Afterall he's had several game winning drives over the last few weeks...etc and he's winning.

Popps · 10-19-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rastaman

So would you consider Orton a Franchise Qb since he has played error free Football thus far? Afterall he's had several game winning drives over the last few weeks...etc and he's winning.

No... just a winner.

Good enough for me.

SonOfLe-loLang · 10-19-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Popps

I've heard this a few times, now.

Apparently... to qualify for "franchise quarterback" status, the new criteria is that at some point in a game, you must stop throwing interceptions and get your team close enough to tie. Not winning... not playing mistake-free, but just simply having one drive with enough "rocket-armed" throws to make ESPN's highlights later that night.

So, play like **** most of the game... throw INTs, but as long as you almost tie at some point.... you're "franchise."

While only putting up 14 pts in the process.

rastaman · 10-19-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by skpac1001

It is true that Cutler has a rare ability to almost bring his team back from the holes he puts them in.

Thats the mark of a winning QB....isn't it? If anything, Cutler dug himself out of hole from first half interceptions. Point is, Jay had the the Bears in position to tie the game up. What more can you ask for?

Popps · 10-19-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by skpac1001

It is true that Cutler has a rare ability to almost bring his team back from the holes he puts them in.

chex · 10-19-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rastaman

Thats the mark of a winning QB....isn't it? If anything, Cutler dug himself out of hole from first half interceptions. Point is, Jay had the the Bears in position to tie the game up. What more can you ask for?

You mean besides not putting the team in a hole in the first place, or actually tie the game and maybe actually win it?

Drek · 10-19-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

NFCN is gonna be a fun division to watch. Vikes should walk away with the division and the packers and bears are gonna be clawing for a wild card. If the bearz can find their defense and get Forte running again, no reason why they can't compete for a playoff spot.

Nobody is talking about the inconsistent packers play. Hell, they are great on week, crappy the next too. Cutler and Rogers is gonna be a fun rivalry to watch for the next few years...

As the Packers get Tauscher worked in and get some guys healthy again their OL will likely improve.

More importantly, Minnesota likely has that division on lock down at this point and the Saints or Falcons will win the NFCS, with one of those two probably taking one of the two wild cards.

That means the Packers and Bears are fighting with one of SF and AZ as well as possibly two of NYG, Philly, and Dallas for a wild card spot.

It'll be a tough road for anyone picking up that last wild card spot.

The Bears schedule going forward doesn't look real forgiving. On the road against Cincy, Minnesota, San Fran, and Baltimore with home games against AZ, Philly, Minnesota, and Green Bay. They need to win about half of those games and Cutler can't have any bonehead games against Cleveland, St. Louis, or Detroit. Otherwise they could be a .500 team giving us a top 20 pick.

2KBack · 10-19-2009, 10:00 AM

I'm pretty sure the mark of a winning QB is...winning

Paladin · 10-19-2009, 10:02 AM

Sorry Popps, but I consider Cutler to be an above average QB; a whiney, b*tching, pouting above average QB. What he lacks in Chicago is the Oline and the smart WRs and maybe the QB coach or the O scheme that can use his basic skills. I do not consider him to be a "francise quarterback". He's just a Joe Palooka; a muscle-bound, hard swinging, glass-jawed doofus, living in a comic strip. I gathered from the announcers last night that they were hard pressed to label him the "FQB", either.

Can he win? Decidedly yes with the right scheme and coaching. But it seems to me that he needs a leader. A team full of followers is not going to go too far......

Bladerunner · 10-19-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by chex

You mean besides not putting the team in a hole in the first place, or actually tie the game and maybe actually win it?

Clearly yes...besides those...

Arkie · 10-19-2009, 10:05 AM

The Broncos had a great defense for the first half of 2006. Then it sucked for 2 1/2 years when Cutler started. Cutler leaves, and all of the sudden, it's really great again. It could have just been a coincidence if the pattern wasn't repeating again in Chicago.

Arkie · 10-19-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Paladin

Sorry Popps, but I consider Cutler to be an above average QB; a whiney, b*tching, pouting above average QB. What he lacks in Chicago is the Oline and the smart WRs and maybe the QB coach or the O scheme that can use his basic skills. I do not consider him to be a "francise quarterback". He's just a Joe Palooka; a muscle-bound, hard swinging, glass-jawed doofus, living in a comic strip. I gathered from the announcers last night that they were hard pressed to label him the "FQB", either.

Can he win? Decidedly yes with the right scheme and coaching. But it seems to me that he needs a leader. A team full of followers is not going to go too far......

That's the perfect description for Jeff George.

Paladin · 10-19-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by skpac1001

It is true that Cutler has a rare ability to almost bring his team back from the holes he puts them in.

I nominate this as

POST OF THE YEAR

Ironlung · 10-19-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMcBuff

He had a bad night, but he is a franchise quarterback.

You don't like him, fine. But the professionals think otherwise there, Skippy.

I thought you said he looked "amazing" & he looked like such a "stud"

Whats all this bad night talk?

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10-19-2009, 07:52 AM	#77
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,313 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	NFCN is gonna be a fun division to watch. Vikes should walk away with the division and the packers and bears are gonna be clawing for a wild card. If the bearz can find their defense and get Forte running again, no reason why they can't compete for a playoff spot. Nobody is talking about the inconsistent packers play. Hell, they are great on week, crappy the next too. Cutler and Rogers is gonna be a fun rivalry to watch for the next few years...

10-19-2009, 09:20 AM	#83
Bronco Boy Avid Ambien Abuser It all makes so much sense! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 1,901 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eric Decker	The Bears have essentially the same problem that the Chiefs have, in that their line is so horrible that it just doesn't make sense to employ a highly compenstated quarterback. This really rings true with Cutler, because he makes a couple bad decisions per game which actually make the team much worse off. Sure, Hanie may not have the big arm, but as long as he didn't make huge mistakes like Cutler does they might actually win more games with him starting, and at a much cheaper price.

10-19-2009, 09:29 AM	#85
SportinOne Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,422	You guys are just so scornful. Let it go. Cutler didn't fumble the ball on the goal line. Cutler also gave Clark a pretty accurate throw on 4th down which Clark acted like he didn't even see and just stuck his elbow out at it. The bears just aren't a cohesive unit on offense right now. Yeah, Cutler chose the wrong game to throw picks but it's not like he hindered the team. Not many people in the league make some of the 3rd down throws he made on those last two drives.

10-19-2009, 10:00 AM	#94
2KBack Rumblin' Bumblin' Cake is delicious Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Wash DC Posts: 7,275	I'm pretty sure the mark of a winning QB is...winning

10-19-2009, 10:02 AM	#95
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,150	Sorry Popps, but I consider Cutler to be an above average QB; a whiney, b*tching, pouting above average QB. What he lacks in Chicago is the Oline and the smart WRs and maybe the QB coach or the O scheme that can use his basic skills. I do not consider him to be a "francise quarterback". He's just a Joe Palooka; a muscle-bound, hard swinging, glass-jawed doofus, living in a comic strip. I gathered from the announcers last night that they were hard pressed to label him the "FQB", either. Can he win? Decidedly yes with the right scheme and coaching. But it seems to me that he needs a leader. A team full of followers is not going to go too far......

10-19-2009, 10:05 AM	#97
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,086 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	The Broncos had a great defense for the first half of 2006. Then it sucked for 2 1/2 years when Cutler started. Cutler leaves, and all of the sudden, it's really great again. It could have just been a coincidence if the pattern wasn't repeating again in Chicago.