BM: I asked and Bowlen said he would trade me.

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Yep... you forgot that it's your fault and my fault and the fault of every fan who dares to question any move whatsoever that this rookie noob HC makes... we're "bad fans" and this mess is undoubtedly all our doing.

You're a bad fan.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by Atlas

You're a bad fan.

I know... the "fan police" are out in force lately and becoming more hostile than ever in their defense of the Wunderkind...

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Yeah, and not so long ago people were saying no team would ever give up anything at all for Jay. And after we got two first-rounders for him, they're still saying the Bears won't raise his salary...ever. You have to wait for the proper timeframe to elapse between "we are not going to trade the player" and "the Denver Broncos announce a trade with 'X' team for the player".... it's deja vu and like the Cutler situation, it's beyond the point of resolution. So we'll lose two of our 3 best offensive players from last season because they do not want to work with this coach/front office.

You're retarded, aren't you?

Level with us. We can take it.

Marshall has never said anything but good things about the organization or the front office. His is STRICTLY about money, he's made mention of this numerous times. And yet you still hang on desperately to this idea that because McDaniels came from the Pats and the Pats are evil, that McDaniels is evil.

It's completely absurd. Retarded. Truthfully.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by ThatOneDenverMooseGuy

You're retarded, aren't you?

Level with us. We can take it.

Marshall has never said anything but good things about the organization or the front office. His is STRICTLY about money, he's made mention of this numerous times. And yet you still hang on desperately to this idea that because McDaniels came from the Pats and the Pats are evil, that McDaniels is evil.

It's completely absurd. Retarded. Truthfully.

I'm sorry. Did you say something? I can't hear you.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

I'm sorry. Did you say something? I can't hear you.

Clever.

You're right. I never should have assumed you'd know how to read, what with your absolutely moronic takes on this football team.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by ThatOneDenverMooseGuy

Clever.

You're right. I never should have assumed you'd know how to read, what with your absolutely moronic takes on this football team.

Sorry but I don't think we'll ever agree on anything and it's seemed to me that the personal attack is the first place you go, so there seems to be little point in engaging in dialogue with you.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Sorry but I don't think we'll ever agree on anything and it's seemed to me that the personal attack is the first place you go, so there seems to be little point in engaging in dialogue with you.

When you come up with total bull**** for your posts, you look like a retard. I was asking for you to clear that up, if in fact I was confused.

Looks like I wasn't.

[scorpio]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

I know... the "fan police" are out in force lately and becoming more hostile than ever in their defense of the Wunderkind...

You're not a bad fan, just misunderstood.



And perhaps mildly retarded.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by scorpio

You're not a bad fan, just misunderstood.



And perhaps mildly retarded.

Thanks for the insult....

[HAT]

Originally Posted by ThatOneDenverMooseGuy

You're retarded, aren't you?

.

Close....Female.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by ThatOneDenverMooseGuy

You're retarded, aren't you?

Level with us. We can take it.

Marshall has never said anything but good things about the organization or the front office. His is STRICTLY about money, he's made mention of this numerous times. And yet you still hang on desperately to this idea that because McDaniels came from the Pats and the Pats are evil, that McDaniels is evil.

It's completely absurd. Retarded. Truthfully.

I'm just disappointed that Marshall is in it for the money while the rest of the Broncos organization, heck the rest of the NFL is in it for love of the game.

On another note, have you considered owning a bridge? Cuz' I've got just the one to sell ya.

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

But... BCJ...isn't it also a valid question why Pro Bowl players don't want to work with/for this inexperienced rookie HC? Or why he seems uninterested in trying to work with them (seems to want all "big names" off the roster)?

Come on blue! Cutler had his feelings hurt and if it was McDaniels wanting a lesser known player (like Cassel), then maybe there is a little truth in it. You would be arguing that McDaniels has more talent with someone raw or new than being able to keep someone like.......hmmmm........ Tom Brady happy and always improve or keep status quo with his talent. Unless I hear Belicheat saying that McDaniels approached him and wanted Brady out to get Cassel in before the injury, then I am with you. As for FC Marshall, what other options did the coach have? FC Marshall brought this on himself and thought he can push his weight around once he was top dog of the team when Cutler got his "wish" to be traded. Seems veterans like Stokely are having no problems with the coach and probably agrees with the suspension. Remember, Stokely is the one that had to stop FC BM from going "Look at me America" with his stupid Obama sign during the national televised game that would have got him fined and/or suspended.

[Broncos4tw]

I don't think people think crap through. McD IS an inexperienced HC, how you could spin that any other way boggles the mind. How Cutler went from a QB most loved (the only complaints I heard last year, were his occasional outbursts and finger-pointing after games.. only saw this twice, and he is a young player), to a "complete douche" just amazes me.

Cutler was whiny? Yea, sure was. BMarsh acting like a pissy 12yo that wasn't picked for a game of flag football? Sure. Is there ways of DEALING with players like these? Yea, there is. The NFL is full of egocentric players, get used to it. EVERY TEAM has these players to some degree. The difference on those teams, is they have a fo and a HC that knows how to deal with these players.

I'm sure BMarsh didn't just decide to walk out and act like a jerk for the fun of it. Something goaded him into it. Still not a good decision, obviously, but why did he?

Why so many fans have unabashed love for a HC that hasn't proved a damn thing yet is puzzling. Do you REALLY expect the players to suck his left nut and have the utmost respect for the guy, simply because he has the HC job? You still need to earn the respect. Joining our team and lying out the gate doesn't help. Getting rid of liked players to replace with your own from your old team probably won't build a lot of trust.

Other teams have primadonas, trouble-makers, and immature younger guys. They handle it. We are not. There is a disconnect somewhere.

If we run every player out of town who has any sort of a "me" mentality, or an ego, or acts immature, we are going to suck as bad as the Lions. We need TALENT. Sometimes it come with baggage. He needs to learn to deal with it.

[Willynowei]

Originally Posted by HAT

Close....Female.

I don't know what I'm more appalled by, the way that self proclaimed Bronco fans are treating each other, or the repulsive manner of which some of the idiots on this thread are attacking a female poster.

I haven't got the time to read the whole thread and follow the argument but attacking the poster has nothing to do with the validity of your argument fellas. And even if it did, you don't do that; but you all know that, you're just taking the opportunity of posting behind a computer screen to say stupid ****.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by Broncos4tw

I don't think people think crap through. McD IS an inexperienced HC, how you could spin that any other way boggles the mind. How Cutler went from a QB most loved (the only complaints I heard last year, were his occasional outbursts and finger-pointing after games.. only saw this twice, and he is a young player), to a "complete douche" just amazes me.

Cutler was whiny? Yea, sure was. BMarsh acting like a pissy 12yo that wasn't picked for a game of flag football? Sure. Is there ways of DEALING with players like these? Yea, there is. The NFL is full of egocentric players, get used to it. EVERY TEAM has these players to some degree. The difference on those teams, is they have a fo and a HC that knows how to deal with these players.

I'm sure BMarsh didn't just decide to walk out and act like a jerk for the fun of it. Something goaded him into it. Still not a good decision, obviously, but why did he?

Why so many fans have unabashed love for a HC that hasn't proved a damn thing yet is puzzling. Do you REALLY expect the players to suck his left nut and have the utmost respect for the guy, simply because he has the HC job? You still need to earn the respect. Joining our team and lying out the gate doesn't help. Getting rid of liked players to replace with your own from your old team probably won't build a lot of trust.

Other teams have primadonas, trouble-makers, and immature younger guys. They handle it. We are not. There is a disconnect somewhere.

If we run every player out of town who has any sort of a "me" mentality, or an ego, or acts immature, we are going to suck as bad as the Lions. We need TALENT. Sometimes it come with baggage. He needs to learn to deal with it.

I'm telling you, McKid really knows how to get the most out of his players.

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Hey Mock, Jiffy needs a spokesman.

only if Jiffy had the new "peanut Butter and Rum" jars. Hurry, somebody make up the labels on photo shop.

[TailgateNut]

Originally Posted by Broncos4tw

If we run every player out of town who has any sort of a "me" mentality, or an ego, or acts immature, we are going to suck as bad as the Lions. We need TALENT. Sometimes it come with baggage. He needs to learn to deal with it.

we are way beyond "any sort of", we've hit the virus stage. He's a cancerous wart and needs to be removed immediately. Either bench his ass for eternity, or send him packing to the Lions.

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

McDip**** sure knows how to get the best production out of his players. Wow. Once Royal is a bonafide 100 catch receiver McKid will have him cleaning out urinal cakes just to prove to McKid that McKid is the Head Midget in Charge.

really? You pick one of top personality on this team that people favor and make some moronic post about our head coach cutting off his legs. Please show us all the problems, since college, that McDaniels was responsible for Flava Clowns personality and behavior? I have heard McDaniels repeatedly not answer a question that is "internal" and not for public consumption. If Royal catches 100 balls, it is based on his work ethic, his ability to read a new playbook, his talent and of course the QBs ability to get him the ball. Let us not forget that 100 catches probably means BM is no where in sight.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

Come on blue! Cutler had his feelings hurt and if it was McDaniels wanting a lesser known player (like Cassel), then maybe there is a little truth in it. You would be arguing that McDaniels has more talent with someone raw or new than being able to keep someone like.......hmmmm........ Tom Brady happy and always improve or keep status quo with his talent. Unless I hear Belicheat saying that McDaniels approached him and wanted Brady out to get Cassel in before the injury, then I am with you. As for FC Marshall, what other options did the coach have? FC Marshall brought this on himself and thought he can push his weight around once he was top dog of the team when Cutler got his "wish" to be traded. Seems veterans like Stokely are having no problems with the coach and probably agrees with the suspension. Remember, Stokely is the one that had to stop FC BM from going "Look at me America" with his stupid Obama sign during the national televised game that would have got him fined and/or suspended.

I think a more-experienced HC could have and would have handled both the Cutler and Marshall situations better... with more finesse, diplomacy, and tact. Neither situation had to get this bad. IMHO. And that is on Cutler, Marshall and McDaniels/Bowlen/Xanders.

And the team will be diminished (less talent, particularly at QB) because of it.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by HAT

Close....Female.

Nice... insults and sexism all in one thread....

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by Willynowei

I don't know what I'm more appalled by, the way that self proclaimed Bronco fans are treating each other, or the repulsive manner of which some of the idiots on this thread are attacking a female poster.

I haven't got the time to read the whole thread and follow the argument but attacking the poster has nothing to do with the validity of your argument fellas. And even if it did, you don't do that; but you all know that, you're just taking the opportunity of posting behind a computer screen to say stupid ****.

It's pretty appalling with all the peanut butter references aimed toward Mock, too. He almost died and people now use it as smack toward him. Very unseemly... and on his birthday, no less.

[lex]

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

we are way beyond "any sort of", we've hit the virus stage. He's a cancerous wart and needs to be removed immediately. Either bench his ass for eternity, or send him packing to the Lions.

...and the worst part is, the OM now has a cyst on its TailgateOvary.

[Drek]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

I think a more-experienced HC could have and would have handled both the Cutler and Marshall situations better... with more finesse, diplomacy, and tact. Neither situation had to get this bad. IMHO. And that is on Cutler, Marshall and McDaniels/Bowlen/Xanders.

And the team will be diminished (less talent, particularly at QB) because of it.

Thats great that you say that, but it takes a round of back and forth from anyone trying to discuss it with you for you to make this statement, yet you willingly chime in at every opportunity when you can assign blame of any sort to McDaniels.

Notice how that comes off as just a tad disingenuous? I mean, ignore the fact that you've publicly stated your hatred for all things Patriots including McDaniels. You claim you believe there was mutual blame in all these situations, yet you perpetually axe grind against only one side and its always the same side.

And you wonder why people jump on you the second you begin doing it in a new thread. People know what to expect at this point Blue. We've heard your song and dance about McDaniels before. We'll hear it again, we're sure of it. Its no different than Rev, Atlas, SoCal, or Buff. The lot of you can generally be pretty good posters, but you absolutely refuse to allow things like perspective and moving on factor in with regards to the new coach. Shanahan is gone. A young guy with a sterling resume from New England has taken over. Get over it or don't be surprised when your posts are met with derision.

Hell, Montrose made ONE ****ING COMMENT out of exuberance and love of this franchise in which he compared Kyle Orton to Tom Brady in some senses. He was hounded with it in thread after thread and it was treated like a punch line on this forum for a few weeks. Yet somehow those who continue to b**** repeatedly about **** from several months ago are the victims around here?

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by Drek

Thats great that you say that, but it takes a round of back and forth from anyone trying to discuss it with you for you to make this statement, yet you willingly chime in at every opportunity when you can assign blame of any sort to McDaniels.

Notice how that comes off as just a tad disingenuous? I mean, ignore the fact that you've publicly stated your hatred for all things Patriots including McDaniels. You claim you believe there was mutual blame in all these situations, yet you perpetually axe grind against only one side and its always the same side.

And you wonder why people jump on you the second you begin doing it in a new thread. People know what to expect at this point Blue. We've heard your song and dance about McDaniels before. We'll hear it again, we're sure of it. Its no different than Rev, Atlas, SoCal, or Buff. The lot of you can generally be pretty good posters, but you absolutely refuse to allow things like perspective and moving on factor in with regards to the new coach. Shanahan is gone. A young guy with a sterling resume from New England has taken over. Get over it or don't be surprised when your posts are met with derision.

Hell, Montrose made ONE ****ING COMMENT out of exuberance and love of this franchise in which he compared Kyle Orton to Tom Brady in some senses. He was hounded with it in thread after thread and it was treated like a punch line on this forum for a few weeks. Yet somehow those who continue to b**** repeatedly about **** from several months ago are the victims around here?

Question for you, Drek... which of those named individuals who are responsible for the chaos... are still relevant to the Broncos? One could still include Marshall on the list, but let's face it, he's probably on his way out of town. So that leaves McDaniels/Bowlen/Xanders who are still relevant. So yes... I criticize the ones who are responsible and can still affect the Broncos. Jay Cutler is the Bears' problem. And Brandon Marshall will (most likely) soon be another team's problem. Does that clarify things at all?

I had nothing whatsoever to do with Montrose and do not believe I ever hounded him at all over anything. I challenge you to show me where I did.

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by Drek

Thats great that you say that, but it takes a round of back and forth from anyone trying to discuss it with you for you to make this statement, yet you willingly chime in at every opportunity when you can assign blame of any sort to McDaniels.

Notice how that comes off as just a tad disingenuous? I mean, ignore the fact that you've publicly stated your hatred for all things Patriots including McDaniels. You claim you believe there was mutual blame in all these situations, yet you perpetually axe grind against only one side and its always the same side.

And you wonder why people jump on you the second you begin doing it in a new thread. People know what to expect at this point Blue. We've heard your song and dance about McDaniels before. We'll hear it again, we're sure of it. Its no different than Rev, Atlas, SoCal, or Buff. The lot of you can generally be pretty good posters, but you absolutely refuse to allow things like perspective and moving on factor in with regards to the new coach. Shanahan is gone. A young guy with a sterling resume from New England has taken over. Get over it or don't be surprised when your posts are met with derision.

Hell, Montrose made ONE ****ING COMMENT out of exuberance and love of this franchise in which he compared Kyle Orton to Tom Brady in some senses. He was hounded with it in thread after thread and it was treated like a punch line on this forum for a few weeks. Yet somehow those who continue to b**** repeatedly about **** from several months ago are the victims around here?

I have no clue what you are saying about Montrose. As perspective goes. I'm a Broncos' fan, but I'm not really a fan of this Broncos' team. So maybe I need to step away for awhile and see if my passion for them comes back. I don't know. To tell you the truth I'm not going to lose any sleep over not watching the Broncos this year. Is that a bad thing, I doubt it. Afterall, it's only football. So maybe the one thing this offseason has done for me it's freed me of my addiction to the Broncos. With that new doors will open I'm sure.