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Old 08-28-2009, 02:38 AM   #51
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Old 08-28-2009, 02:49 AM   #52
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Old 08-28-2009, 03:03 AM   #53
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Odd.

They were both probowlers.

Of course, Cutler is playing for his original contract, BM is in his final year.

Don't let facts delude you.
Facts delude me about what? Do you disagree?
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Old 08-28-2009, 07:23 AM   #54
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...isn't it also a valid question why Pro Bowl players don't want to work with/for this inexperienced rookie HC? Or why he seems uninterested in trying to work with them (seems to want all "big names" off the roster)?
Yes, that's exactly what's going on, Blue. You're a regular Jessica Fletcher. Josh McD wants to get rid of all the Pro Bowlers on the team.

/shakes head in bewildered disbelief...
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Old 08-28-2009, 07:49 AM   #55
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Like the Cutler situation, I believe this has reached a point of no return. No one can do what he did and 'kiss and make up'. When you disrepeact yourself and your teammates, talent takes a backseat. I don't want him to be a Denver Bronco.

However, I do think it is fair to question the ownership\FO of the team in any culpability they might have.

1) Did Bowlen promise to trade him with no strings attached in terms of return value?
2) If the F\O did rethink the promise made by Shanny for a new contract, then did they clearly relay the new parameters that would need to be met in order to rework his rookie deal?

Do you blame the parent for breaking a promise or the child for throwing a temper tantrum becuase of it? Do you blame the parent for not clearly setting expectations or the child for throwing a hissy fit because they didn't get what was promised to them?

It is commendable that we have a kind-hearted owner who sincerely wants what is best for his employees but he needs to SHUTUP and leave the football business to professionals. I really believe that this firestorm could have been mitigated...or at least reduced if our immature baby of a player wasn't given mixed messages.

We NEED a real GM.

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Old 08-28-2009, 07:50 AM   #56
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no one is saying that Mcdaniles wants to LOSE, but its been suggested that he could use some additional tact in the manner he deals with all the teams players, not just Cutler and Marshall. Perhaps, those two aren't the only players unhappy with management? Perhaps they are the only ones with the resume to bust loose from the Broncos and still have a job?

Imagine what would happen if Brandon Stokley tried the same? Remember Scheffler and Wiegmen both at times got rowdy, and then fell in line, possibly because their demands were satiated, but more likely because they realized that they lacked the leverage to get out of denver.
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:15 AM   #57
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Hey, it's not unreasonable to not like the way this noob coach is handling our best players.
I'm not sure what you are thinking, Blue. It is everybody's fault BUT the noob coach.

The following people/things are at fault for this offseason:

Cutler
Cutler's agent
Cutler's cell phone
Bowlen
Bellicheat
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Marshall's current girlfriend
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:17 AM   #58
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Imagine what would happen if Brandon Stokley tried the same? Remember Scheffler and Wiegmen both at times got rowdy, and then fell in line, possibly because their demands were satiated, but more likely because they realized that they lacked the leverage to get out of denver.
Weigmen did act like that... They just decided to give him a new contract. They are paying him more than twice what he made last year.

If Bowlen and McD would have dealt with Marshall with some class it would be settled now. Marshall is in the last year of his contract, that typically is when you sign your star players. Back after marshall was acquitted they should have signed him to a long term contract or they should have told him to be patient and start looking for a trading partner. Instead they do the same thing they did to Cutler and try to strong arm him and force Marshall to bow down like a good slave.

Now they have an unhappy player that they possibly can't get value for.

This is a total mismanagement of the team and seems pretty typical for the post-Shanny era.

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Old 08-28-2009, 08:36 AM   #59
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I'm not sure what you are thinking, Blue. It is everybody's fault BUT the noob coach.

The following people/things are at fault for this offseason:

Cutler
Cutler's agent
Cutler's cell phone
Bowlen
Bellicheat
Sunspots
Ninjas
Marshall
Marshall's current girlfriend
Marshall's old girlfriend
Shanahan
Bates (Jeremy)
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Kool Aid
Thunder (the horse)
Thunder (Cats)
Solomon Wilcots
Mike Vick
PETA
Peta Wilson
Matt Cassel
Matt Millen
Matt Stafford

Did I miss anybody??

Or, perhaps.... maybe...... just maybe...... possibly.... there's blame on all sides. I know that is a difficult concept around here.
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:36 AM   #60
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no one is saying that Mcdaniles wants to LOSE, but its been suggested that he could use some additional tact in the manner he deals with all the teams players, not just Cutler and Marshall. Perhaps, those two aren't the only players unhappy with management? Perhaps they are the only ones with the resume to bust loose from the Broncos and still have a job?

Imagine what would happen if Brandon Stokley tried the same? Remember Scheffler and Wiegmen both at times got rowdy, and then fell in line, possibly because their demands were satiated, but more likely because they realized that they lacked the leverage to get out of denver.
This is how I feel about the situation also.

Marshall really has no choice. He can't holdout were money is the issue. You can't deny the man has outplayed his contract in the last few years.
I will agree his off-field issues are a concern but that risk can be written into the contract.

I also agree that video is damning but you can tell he's trying to force Denver's hand. He's trying to leave them no choice. Fact remains that we really don't know much about the situation and how it's been handled in the F.O.

The guy has no trust of the medical staff, the coach or Bowlen .... if his hip went unchecked last year, his coach treats him like a 5 year old and bowlen lied about his contract .... well ... would you be pissed?

Everyone just wants him to show up and play. That's selfish from a fan standpoint ..... if he gets another 100 rec. year then what he gets promised a contract after next year? if he feel injured but they say he's ok should he just keep playing? If his coach tells him to wipe his ass with sandpaper does he have to?

I get the whole team first thing and it's great for the fan .... not for the player.

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Old 08-28-2009, 08:37 AM   #61
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:44 AM   #62
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Or, perhaps.... maybe...... just maybe...... possibly.... there's blame on all sides. I know that is a difficult concept around here.
Sorry Brew - but thanks for playing.
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:49 AM   #63
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if he gets another 100 rec. year then what he gets promised a contract after next year?
No....if he has another 100 catch season, he's a free agent.....and SOMEBODY will pay him the mega bucks.

In a contract year, you play your ass off.....you don't pout.
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:50 AM   #64
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What aout the petulant child who boots the football after an int?

Suspend him in a real game?

Dumbass.
Hey Mock, Jiffy needs a spokesman.
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:53 AM   #65
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ooooh. that's mean^^^
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Old 08-28-2009, 09:18 AM   #66
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ooooh. that's mean^^^
Don't ya worry yer pretty little head. Mock knows how to send nasty PM's.

It was a lot better when his cat was doing the typing.
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Old 08-28-2009, 09:53 AM   #67
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you're a douche mock

really? that kind of behavior is OK

punting the ball? because hes on scout team?
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Old 08-28-2009, 09:56 AM   #68
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Any one else tired of our organization being the laughing stock of the NFL.
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Any one else tired of our organization being the laughing stock of the NFL.
I'm tired of our players acting like petulant little douches.
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:10 AM   #70
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Bowlen said he would TRY to trade Brandon. No one wants Brandon or will pay what the Broncos think he's worth...OBVIOUSLY.
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:19 AM   #71
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If Bowlen and McD would have dealt with Marshall with some class it would be settled now.
Seriously? No, really, I mean it. Seriously? How about if Brandon didn't have multiple lapses in judgment that brought on legal trouble and potential lengthy suspensions, plus an off field injury, he'd be counting his $20 million guaranteed money right now? You need to step back and realize where the blame lies in this whole thing. You've got it all very wrong.
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:22 AM   #72
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the fans on this board are soooo spoiled and shortsided. Marshall defenders obviously don't understand the situation. Let the rotting begin, see you in hell b farse!
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But... BCJ...isn't it also a valid question why Pro Bowl players don't want to work with/for this inexperienced rookie HC? Or why he seems uninterested in trying to work with them (seems to want all "big names" off the roster)?
As I've oft-mentioned, Josh has a small-college, top-down authoritative mentality ... probably from growing up with a coach Dad.

Might work in the NFL, I hope it does. But with that approach he wouldn't even make waterboy in the NBA or MLB.

He should be managing personalities and egos, that's the smart move ...bu instead he's looking for selfless conformity, which is just unrealistic with most stars. Some, Brady maybe ... but not most.
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:33 AM   #74
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No need to worry about that. The Raiders still have a death grip on that title.
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:36 AM   #75
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However, I do think it is fair to question the ownership\FO of the team in any culpability they might have.

1) Did Bowlen promise to trade him with no strings attached in terms of return value?
He doesn't remember.

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2) If the F\O did rethink the promise made by Shanny for a new contract, then did they clearly relay the new parameters that would need to be met in order to rework his rookie deal?
We don't know, but I do not understand why Shanny would promise Marshall anything since he refused to re-work a deal for Clinton Portis. Portis was no where near the character risk that Marshall is.

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It is commendable that we have a kind-hearted owner who sincerely wants what is best for his employees but he needs to SHUTUP and leave the football business to professionals. I really believe that this firestorm could have been mitigated...or at least reduced if our immature baby of a player wasn't given mixed messages.
Agreed. Bowlen shouldn't make promises that his HC/GM doesn't agree with.

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I may be in the minority, but I don't agree with this yet. Patriots don't have one; Detroit did and it actually hurt them.
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