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Old 05-30-2009, 12:51 PM   #26
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it was called North Poudre or something like that when I was there
Still rough is it ?
Ya. Lotsa meth out there. It's all run down trailers, a gun shop, and liquor stores. Sometimes I cruise thu on the way to the river.
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Old 05-30-2009, 12:52 PM   #27
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The kid was unarmed and unconscious. I understand the right to protect yourself and your livelihood, but I hope this dude gets the book thrown at him.
It comes down to an eye for an eye in my opinion.
Agreed.

According to the story the OK law is written to allow you to defend yourself if you're in danger. By definition the pharmacist was excluded from protection under the law once he was no longer in danger. This was cold blooded murder. The guy was a Gulf War vet...not like he's never been around live fire before. I could see it if he just kept firing, but he had the presence of mind to chase one guy from the store and return to get a 2nd gun before finishing him off.

Last I looked robbery was punishable by jail not the death penalty.
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Old 05-30-2009, 12:55 PM   #28
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Ya. Lotsa meth out there. It's all run down trailers, a gun shop, and liquor stores. Sometimes I cruise thu on the way to the river.
it hasnt changed then .......before I had a family I loved living in places like that , 5 points of Denver , Swansea area of Denver , 37 th and York ....... but i have a family , cant raise my kids in those areas
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Old 05-30-2009, 12:56 PM   #29
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I've seen quite a few 16 yr olds who look older than 18. It's not like he looked at the kids ID before pumping 5 more rounds into him.
I can attest to the truth of this... one of my 16-year-old twins is routinely presumed to be 19-20 because he's 6'2".
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I gotta side with the pharmacist on this one. Armed robber gets killed and they're sending the person being robbed to jail?? American legal system is so flat out dumb sometimes.
Surely you didn't bother to read the article.
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Agreed.

According to the story the OK law is written to allow you to defend yourself if you're in danger. By definition the pharmacist was excluded from protection under the law once he was no longer in danger. This was cold blooded murder. The guy was a Gulf War vet...not like he's never been around live fire before. I could see it if he just kept firing, but he had the presence of mind to chase one guy from the store and return to get a 2nd gun before finishing him off.

Last I looked robbery was punishable by jail not the death penalty.
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Old 05-30-2009, 01:09 PM   #32
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Ahh yes the "let the criminals go unchecked" arguement. Brilliant.
Not an argument, a fact.
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Surely you didn't bother to read the article.
Yeah I read the article. The way I see it, he's committing armed robbery at 16 and he's plenty aware of what he's doing. Hypothetically, he gets away, it's pretty certain his life is headed in the sewer and he sure as hell going rob again and possibly worse.
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Yeah I read the article. The way I see it, he's committing armed robbery at 16 and he's plenty aware of what he's doing. Hypothetically, he gets away, it's pretty certain his life is headed in the sewer and he sure as hell going rob again and possibly worse.
So you see this as a justifiable murder? Would you would rather turn our prisons into death camps? It's a slippery slope, thankfully you aren't in a legislative position.
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Yeah I read the article. The way I see it, he's committing armed robbery at 16 and he's plenty aware of what he's doing. Hypothetically, he gets away, it's pretty certain his life is headed in the sewer and he sure as hell going rob again and possibly worse.
We'll never know will we?
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Not an argument, a fact.
Only in your own fantasy land.
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Pretty tragic , whats worse is the Pharmacist will live with what he done for the rest of his life , every time the Pharmacist closes his eyes , he will see that boy , the Pharmacist will have nightmares over what he did , the Pharmacist will not get a nights sleep without sleep meds , the Pharmacist life is forever changed , he will see a 16 year old kid and have flashbacks of this day , rest of his life will be filled with regret ........ I have seen alot of people posting here in the past that talk about Shooting someone etc... They dont understand the baggage they will carry for the rest of their lives .....
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DA also charges the other teen...a 14 year old...with murder since his friend died in the perpitration of a felony, as well as one or possibly two adult conspirators who may have planned the robbery and pushed the kids to commit it.

How anyone can advocate executing someone laying on the ground who is already shot in the head and unconscious becuase they tried to rob the store you're working in is beyond my comprehension.
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Old 05-30-2009, 06:39 PM   #40
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Excessive use of force , I have been arrested for this when a guy tried to steal my Car when I lived in Ft.Collins , Once i stop the theft , my right to use force stopped also .........This is nothing new
I was working on a house installing new windows once and a guy stole my saw when I walked around the corner, I chased his arse down and dove and tackled him then proceded to beat the crap out of him with the saw how's that for justice
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I was working on a house installing new windows once and a guy stole my saw when I walked around the corner, I chased his arse down and dove and tackled him then proceded to beat the crap out of him with the saw how's that for justice
well he didnt press charges so .........
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damn, thats tough. dont think the ages should matter, but the guy was obviously filled with so much emotion, the incident probably happened so quick and split second decisions were made. His life will forever be changed because of this. Im sure if he could go back he would probably have still shot the kid but once he came back maybe not fired shots. Just happened so quick that he wasnt thinking about the law or any consequences or what is or isnt acceptable. Just wants to make damn sure the threat is removed. Then there are all the damn movies where good guy shoots bad guy once, assumes bad guy is dead, relaxes, then sneaky bad guy either nails or damn near nails good guy, good guys girl, or good guys best friend.

Never can be too sure, wonder if the guy could get away with a temporary insanity plea since he might have been temporarily insane at the time. Dont know many people who would think clearly in those types of situations.
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How anyone can advocate executing someone laying on the ground who is already shot in the head and unconscious becuase they tried to rob the store you're working in is beyond my comprehension.
dont condone it, but dont condemn him for it either, because I have never (thankfully) been in that situation. Someone breaks into my house, and I am able to put a bullet in their head, I really dont know if I would or wouldnt continue firing at the lifeless laying on the ground body.
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damn, thats tough. dont think the ages should matter, but the guy was obviously filled with so much emotion, the incident probably happened so quick and split second decisions were made. His life will forever be changed because of this. Im sure if he could go back he would probably have still shot the kid but once he came back maybe not fired shots. Just happened so quick that he wasnt thinking about the law or any consequences or what is or isnt acceptable. Just wants to make damn sure the threat is removed. Then there are all the damn movies where good guy shoots bad guy once, assumes bad guy is dead, relaxes, then sneaky bad guy either nails or damn near nails good guy, good guys girl, or good guys best friend.
Sounds plausible...until you look at the tape. There was no "split second decision" here. He walks, not runs, back into the store, right past the kid lying on the ground unconscious, takes his time getting the 2nd gun and simply executes him in cold blood. Don't make this into something else other than what it was in an effort to vindicate this barbaric act of murder. I think this guy was simply angry, not overcome with emotion and irrational.
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Temporary insanity is not defined as "not thinking clearly". Nobody is thinking clearly when the kill someone, at least very few are. This guy was not a 19 year old college kid, he was a Gulf War vet who had seen combat.

I think it's ridiculous this guy is getting support from the community like he's a hero. Heros don't murder people lying on the ground unconscious.

I wonder if the victim's name was Brent instead of Antwun whether this would be seen differently.
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he wasn't walkin or talkin either
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then you got lucky .........
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Sounds plausible...until you look at the tape. There was no "split second decision" here. He walks, not runs, back into the store, right past the kid lying on the ground unconscious, takes his time getting the 2nd gun and simply executes him in cold blood. Don't make this into something else other than what it was in an effort to vindicate this barbaric act of murder. I think this guy was simply angry, not overcome with emotion and irrational.

Temporary insanity is not defined as "not thinking clearly". Nobody is thinking clearly when the kill someone, at least very few are. This guy was not a 19 year old college kid, he was a Gulf War vet who had seen combat.

I think it's ridiculous this guy is getting support from the community like he's a hero. Heros don't murder people lying on the ground unconscious.
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If more people do what he did more shop attendants will get shot.
I dont think so. Convenience store workers and other folks at jeopardy in these types of crimes are injured or shot anyway.

This is a very unfortunate circumstance, but our pity for the loss of this young fool should not overshadow the situation that he put himself and the pharmacist in. The criminal created the situation, and the pharmacist's life was put in danger.

If you deny a person like this pharmacist the right to defend themself, you are essentially removing his right to protect himself from death as well as protect his family and his property.

The pharmacist went back to ensure that the criminal couldnt hurt him, and in his heightened state he may have gone overboard. But lets not miss the forest for the trees. This is not capital murder...it may be something else, but murder is not the right interpretation.
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IMO you can't convict this guy. Kid would have died anyways from the shot to the head.

Defense needs to call the medical examiner into question, get other medical examiners to say kid was already dead or would have died. Then the other bullets only pumping them into a dead body which isn't murder.

I'm on this jury I don't even listen. I just wait until vote time, not guilty, then go on my way.

No friggin way I could send a guy to prison for shooting someone the country is better off without. Someone who eventually would have probably killed himself.

If you use a weapon doing robberies, no doubt in my mind that eventually you have to use it.
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