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[ak1971]

back on tonight.

[Pseudofool]

Meh. I don't think much of this new time-narrative. It seems too pedestrian for lost.

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by Pseudofool

Meh. I don't think much of this new time-narrative. It seems too pedestrian for lost.

They're bouncing around time like a ping-pong ball, aren't they?

It seems impossible to top the first five seasons ... but the premier Wednesday wasn't bad really. Hurley going to jail is an interesting twist ... and I think Sun has some diabolical

I'm liking Daniel Faraday's character more and more ... he might know more about all these mysteries than any character other than Ben.

[Jens1893]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

They're bouncing around time like a ping-pong ball, aren't they?

It seems impossible to top the first five seasons ... but the premier Wednesday wasn't bad really. Hurley going to jail is an interesting twist ... and I think Sun has some diabolical

I'm liking Daniel Faraday's character more and more ... he might know more about all these mysteries than any character other than Ben.

There have only been 4 so far, BB. Yesterday was the premiere of Season 5 and I do think it´s very much possible to top it quite simply because the finish line is in sight now. For parts of Season 2 and 3 I felt like they just artificially added storylines that added pretty much nothing in order to prolong the series because it got ratings. I initially gave up on it about midway thru Season 3 as they just kept piling up questions without giving us answers and got back into it when several people told me the season finished really strong and then just went thru those episodes in one go. Ever since they said Season 6 would be the last, the show has really picked up and Season 4 especially was just sensational.

Watching the season premiere I just felt confused and lost.

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by Jens1893

Watching the season premiere I just felt confused and lost.

[ak1971]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

They're bouncing around time like a ping-pong ball, aren't they?

It seems impossible to top the first five seasons ... but the premier Wednesday wasn't bad really. Hurley going to jail is an interesting twist ... and I think Sun has some diabolical

I'm liking Daniel Faraday's character more and more ... he might know more about all these mysteries than any character other than Ben.

I thought the new episode was pretty good. Im with you..I think that Sun is going on a 'search and destroy' mission. I think she's going to end up being pretty damned evil

[Pseudofool]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I'm liking Daniel Faraday's character more and more ... he might know more about all these mysteries than any character other than Ben.

I'm guessing Faraday's mother is the jeweler woman with Desmond a couple seasons ago when he was traveling through time and the same women with Ben at the end of the season premiere.

[TexanBob]

Well, the survivors flew back to the island, most of them made it back to 1977 where they just nuked the island in hopes that it would change their fates where Oceanic 815 lands safely at LAX like it was supposed to. But there's one whole season left so you know this won't end that neatly.

But let's say this really did happen and 815 really does have a safe flight with these same passengers as the original manifest. What would we be left with?

* Locke stuck in a wheelchair and leading a pathetic life.
* Kate in federal custody.
* Sawyer still as a conman/a-hole that he was when the plane crashed.
* Jack returns to his practice and his gradual descent into alcoholism.
* Sun and Jin back to barely speaking with each other.

It would be good news for Boone and his sister, Charlie, Claire, Mr. Eko and all the folks who died in the plane crash.

It would suck for the people who lived on the island in 1977 and hadn't come from the future.

What becomes of Desmond and his son?

So, what plot twists do you think will happen before they put this all in a pretty bow and close the story?

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by Pseudofool

I'm guessing Faraday's mother is the jeweler woman with Desmond a couple seasons ago when he was traveling through time and the same women with Ben at the end of the season premiere.

Nice job ... in hindsight, I think you are 100% correct

[ak1971]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Well, the survivors flew back to the island, most of them made it back to 1977 where they just nuked the island in hopes that it would change their fates where Oceanic 815 lands safely at LAX like it was supposed to. But there's one whole season left so you know this won't end that neatly.

But let's say this really did happen and 815 really does have a safe flight with these same passengers as the original manifest. What would we be left with?

* Locke stuck in a wheelchair and leading a pathetic life.
* Kate in federal custody.
* Sawyer still as a conman/a-hole that he was when the plane crashed.
* Jack returns to his practice and his gradual descent into alcoholism.
* Sun and Jin back to barely speaking with each other.

It would be good news for Boone and his sister, Charlie, Claire, Mr. Eko and all the folks who died in the plane crash.

It would suck for the people who lived on the island in 1977 and hadn't come from the future.

What becomes of Desmond and his son?

So, what plot twists do you think will happen before they put this all in a pretty bow and close the story?

Did we ever figure out what was in Hurley's guitar case?

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Well, the survivors flew back to the island, most of them made it back to 1977 where they just nuked the island in hopes that it would change their fates where Oceanic 815 lands safely at LAX like it was supposed to. But there's one whole season left so you know this won't end that neatly.

But let's say this really did happen and 815 really does have a safe flight with these same passengers as the original manifest. What would we be left with?

* Locke stuck in a wheelchair and leading a pathetic life.
* Kate in federal custody.
* Sawyer still as a conman/a-hole that he was when the plane crashed.
* Jack returns to his practice and his gradual descent into alcoholism.
* Sun and Jin back to barely speaking with each other.

So, what plot twists do you think will happen before they put this all in a pretty bow and close the story?

That's an interesting observation ... they all had rotten lives beforehand. Except maybe Hurley and Charlie.

And Claire was probably okay .... I don't think they've made enough of the (great) plot twist that Jack and Claire are half-siblings

Originally Posted by TexasBob

It would be good news for Boone and his sister, Charlie, Claire, Mr. Eko and all the folks who died in the plane crash.

It'll be a mixed bag ... some will do better, some will do worse, probably with syrupy "morals to the story," especially Kate ...

"Moral to the story" ending doesn't sound much like how this series rolls, but they can't just fade to black Sopranos-style without making some kind of statement


I hope they finish up this series with even half as good of a mind-blowing finish as they ended last year ... seeing Locked in that coffin was the best jolt I ever had from a TV show ... almost like The Sixth Sense.

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by ak1971

Did we ever figure out what was in Hurley's guitar case?

On the Hajira Air flight a couple weeks ago?I kinda barely remember he was carrying one.

I still like the show a great deal, but the time jumping - although major interesting to see Ben as a kid, Sawyer join Dharma, and the Asian scientist on the grainy, spooky training films come to life - it's frustrating to understand cause and effect.

[ak1971]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

On the Hajira Air flight a couple weeks ago?I kinda barely remember he was carrying one.

I still like the show a great deal, but the time jumping - although major interesting to see Ben as a kid, Sawyer join Dharma, and the Asian scientist on the grainy, spooky training films come to life - it's frustrating to understand cause and effect.

Yeah...they made a big deal of it when Jacob was in the car with Hurley after getting out of jail

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by ak1971

Yeah...they made a big deal of it when Jacob was in the car with Hurley after getting out of jail

That's right, in the cab they shared.

I dunno what I think of this Jacob ... especially that he's seeking out the 815 people before the flight I'm a HUGE believer in free will and determination, I hate sayings like "if it's meant to be," or "if it's God's will," etc ... I hate the idea of pre-determination narratives, in real life or on TV. It robs us of free will.

But Jacob ... I expected a lot more than a guy Ben/Locke could just kill with a knife ...


ACTUALLY ... that guitar might be related to Charlie. CHarlie has an acoutsic guitar on the island remember

[ak1971]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

That's right, in the cab they shared.

I dunno what I think of this Jacob ... especially that he's seeking out the 815 people before the flight I'm a HUGE believer in free will and determination, I hate sayings like "if it's meant to be," or "if it's God's will," etc ... I hate the idea of pre-determination narratives, in real life or on TV. It robs us of free will.

But Jacob ... I expected a lot more than a guy Ben/Locke could just kill with a knife ...


ACTUALLY ... that guitar might be related to Charlie. CHarlie has an acoutsic guitar on the island remember

The Charlie thing has to be going somewhere. Sun found Charlies ring laying in the ruins of thier old camp also.

[TexanBob]

Originally Posted by ak1971

Did we ever figure out what was in Hurley's guitar case?

I don't believe it has been revealed but it would not surprise me if it was somehow connected to Charlie. Hurley shared a cab with Jacob and claimed he didn't know who owned the guitar case and yet Hurley carries the case aboard the plane (which I think is now an FAA no-no after 9-11; the guitar has to be checked baggage).

[Kid A]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

That's right, in the cab they shared.

I dunno what I think of this Jacob ... especially that he's seeking out the 815 people before the flight I'm a HUGE believer in free will and determination, I hate sayings like "if it's meant to be," or "if it's God's will," etc ... I hate the idea of pre-determination narratives, in real life or on TV. It robs us of free will.

Jacob did seem to be in support of free will when he met Hurley ("it's your choice") and even before Ben killed him ("you can choose to do this or not"). So, Buff, I think there may still be some free will at play here.

Another part worth noting is a couple episodes back when Farraday said his calculation (which initially said you can't change the future) had left out one variable: the human element. Humans are the wildcard, and the can often change their minds (i.e. free will), changing things.

I believe that is a crucial theme from here on out. We saw it dramatically in this finale with Juliette suddenly changing positions on the whole let-Jack-set-off-a-hydrogen-bomb thing. That changed everything, and I believe she did change the course of history at the very end by setting it off.

On an unrelated note, I think a large portion of the last season will be devoted to showing just how this chess game of sorts was played out between Jacob and his Enemy. Right before killing Jacob, Enemy/Locke tells him "you have no idea how much I did to get to this point," which implies much of the show has been a setup by this guy to get to Jacob.

Jacob, though, seems at peace at the end and says "they're coming" which seems to piss off Enemy/Locke, as though Jacob has been putting his pieces in place all along as well. As seen through the constant black and white symbolism (remember all the backgammon with Locke and Walt early on?), I think our castaways have been the pawns in the middle of a battle between a couple gods/higher beings.

[SPfloppy]

I started to think that the black rock was what brought Richard and the others to the Island. Latin speech, he's been there for an undisclosed amount of time but certainly well before the hydrogen bomb

[SPfloppy]

The garden of eden? The island I mean. Could this be what JJ and damon have been planning all along?

[Rohirrim]

I still think Atlantis is going to play into this somehow.

[jadelee]

So do i! He hasn't other choice as for me...

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