Armstrong: Forget peace. Give Jay Cutler a chance - The Orange Mane

Taco John · 03-16-2009, 04:48 PM

Forget peace. Give Jay Cutler a chance

A lot of numbers have been flying around in the midst of the Jay Cutler-Josh McDaniels spat. Some of the most interesting involve Cutler's record in games in which the Broncos have allowed 30-plus points.

For the record, it's 3-12. To put those numbers in perspective, Cutler has played two full seasons and five games of a third. Donovan McNabb has played 10 NFL seasons and is 3-16 when the Eagles allow 30-plus.

Eli Manning? He's 1-16 in such games. Jake Plummer during his days in Our Town was 0-10. Matt Cassel, if that name rings a bell, was 0-4 last season when the Pats allowed 30-plus.

Oh, and did I mention that defense isn't the only problem? The Broncos have some of the worst special teams in the league, too, forcing Cutler into lousy field position.

Just a thought, but if and when Coach J-Mac mends fences with his quarterback, maybe he can get to work on fixing the real problems.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...880?source=rss

Popps · 03-16-2009, 04:50 PM

I agree.

The entire organization says they want you back, Jay.

C'mon back, buddy. All is forgiven.

I'm sure Jay will show up, since everyone wants him back.

Swedish Extrovert · 03-16-2009, 04:52 PM

Maybe poor special teams is why we gained so much yardage without scoring.

SJ Bronco · 03-16-2009, 04:53 PM

the most sober thing I've heard so far.....

Rulon Velvet Jones · 03-16-2009, 04:54 PM

Put the "the whole organization wants you back" line through the Bus Cook filter, though, and it turns into "they all want you back, unless something better comes along".

BMarsh615 · 03-16-2009, 04:55 PM

Cutler is crybaby facts don't matter/McDaniels fanboys

Bladerunner · 03-16-2009, 04:55 PM

None of that is in dispute...by anyone...the Broncos just need to put sugar on top and all will be well I guess.

Popps · 03-16-2009, 04:56 PM

The Broncos have already clearly stated that the doors are open and they want him to come in and do his job.

Where's the confusion, here?

No one needs "give Cutler a chance."

He needs to show up and do his job. He's not, so direct your ire at him, not the franchise.

TheReverend · 03-16-2009, 04:57 PM

Was that on the "Jimmy Page"?

I like the message, but he's really one corny mother ****er.

BroncoFiend · 03-16-2009, 05:01 PM

Well...if you take what everyone is saying at face value, then McD won't trade Cutler, Cutler will show up for all mandatory events, and the Broncos will have Cutler as their QB next year.

And since Jay always looks grumpy, no one will really be able to tell the difference once the season starts.

Rohirrim · 03-16-2009, 05:02 PM

Jay has left town and demanded a trade. Maybe Armstrong, with his superior journalism skills, didn't hear about it?

Shoemaker · 03-16-2009, 05:03 PM

Right, Jimbo. Its up to "Coach J-mac" to mend fences with Jay.

How should he go about that? Probably by saying stuff like "We're not going to trade Jay Cutler," treating Cutler like an adult and explaining that he DID listen to offers but then shut them down, and proposing one-on-one, Bus Cook-less meetings where he and the offended QB can sit down and hash things out without outside interference.

That would be the best way for the coach to go about things.

Luckily, this shouldn't be too hard to do, since Jay was in town this very day working out with those teammates that he loves and plays for.

Come on, McFailidiotnumbnuts. Hurry up and mend fences already. Jay's waiting.

SportinOne · 03-16-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MightySmurf

Maybe poor special teams is why we gained so much yardage without scoring.

Or it COULD be because of a lack of healthy running backs. Did you forget that we lost about 5 of them to the IR this year? You see, when you get to the goal line it's all about running the ball and if there is no one to run the ball it makes it awful tough to score a touchdown. A well known fact around these parts is that this has been a problem since the Plummer days.

Popps · 03-16-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoemaker

Right, Jimbo. Its up to "Coach J-mac" to mend fences with Jay.

How should he go about that? Probably by saying stuff like "We're not going to trade Jay Cutler," treating Cutler like an adult and explaining that he DID listen to offers but then shut them down, and proposing one-on-one, Bus Cook-less meetings where he and the offended QB can sit down and hash things out without outside interference.

That would be the best way for the coach to go about things.

Luckily, this shouldn't be too hard to do, since Jay was in town this very day working out with those teammates that he loves and plays for.

Come on, McFailidiotnumbnuts. Hurry up and mend fences already. Jay's waiting.

fdf · 03-16-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

The entire organization says they want you back, Jay.

But they didn't say it nicely enough. And, they should have said "please" at least one more time.

Popps · 03-16-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fdf

But they didn't say it nicely enough. And, they should have said "please" at least one more time.

Probably.

I think most of us would do that if we were mad at our bosses, right? Just not show up?

Seems normal.

Our bosses would probably call and apologize, too.

SJ Bronco · 03-16-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Probably.

I think most of us would do that if we were mad at our bosses, right? Just not show up?

Seems normal.

Our bosses would probably call and apologize, too.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but If my boss told me the meeting was optional and i was getting paid anyway and i was pissed off, I may not go....

theAPAOps5 · 03-16-2009, 05:58 PM

Meeting wasn't optional the workout after was. At least thats what was said in the papers this weekend.

Popps · 03-16-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SJ Bronco

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but If my boss told me the meeting was optional and i was getting paid anyway and i was pissed off, I may not go....

Maybe, but you probably wouldn't tell him to find you another job after he said he wanted you to come back to work.

Or, if you did... at that point, you're to blame, not him.

TonyR · 03-16-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SJ Bronco

...If my boss told me the meeting was optional and i was getting paid anyway and i was pissed off, I may not go....

Some free career advice for you: if you ever get a new boss I suggest you show up for the first meeting he/she calls.

Taco John · 03-16-2009, 06:10 PM

I think people are taking the headline to personal. I think by "give Cutler a chance" Armstrong is actually saying "give Cutler a better defense."

NFLBRONCO · 03-16-2009, 06:11 PM

I think this would be all over IF

Someone would point out to Jay Cassel was traded to kc he acts like he is still available. Cassel does not have a twin brother either.

SportinOne · 03-16-2009, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fdf

But they didn't say it nicely enough. And, they should have said "please" at least one more time.

Or they didn't really mean it at all. About 85% of what any front office says is PR.

SportinOne · 03-16-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

Some free career advice for you: if you ever get a new boss I suggest you show up for the first meeting he/she calls.

I'm pretty sure everyone gets it. You all work very hard and athletes shouldn't complain because they make sooo much money... he shouldn't ever get mad, he makes too much money, right?

Man-Goblin · 03-16-2009, 06:26 PM

Jim Armstrong is the biggest hack of a writer I personally have ever read. He's horrible. HORRIBLE. He gets paid to spew out 3 worthless paragraphs two times a week. If someone is going to push his Cutler agenda he shouldn't use Jim Armstrong as a source.

And oh, by the way, Armstrong stole this entire piece from a poster on this very same board.

Be back in a sec if I can find it.

03-16-2009, 04:48 PM	#1
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Armstrong: Forget peace. Give Jay Cutler a chance Forget peace. Give Jay Cutler a chance A lot of numbers have been flying around in the midst of the Jay Cutler-Josh McDaniels spat. Some of the most interesting involve Cutler's record in games in which the Broncos have allowed 30-plus points. For the record, it's 3-12. To put those numbers in perspective, Cutler has played two full seasons and five games of a third. Donovan McNabb has played 10 NFL seasons and is 3-16 when the Eagles allow 30-plus. Eli Manning? He's 1-16 in such games. Jake Plummer during his days in Our Town was 0-10. Matt Cassel, if that name rings a bell, was 0-4 last season when the Pats allowed 30-plus. Oh, and did I mention that defense isn't the only problem? The Broncos have some of the worst special teams in the league, too, forcing Cutler into lousy field position. Just a thought, but if and when Coach J-Mac mends fences with his quarterback, maybe he can get to work on fixing the real problems. http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...880?source=rss

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03-16-2009, 04:50 PM	#2
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,792	I agree. The entire organization says they want you back, Jay. C'mon back, buddy. All is forgiven. I'm sure Jay will show up, since everyone wants him back.

03-16-2009, 04:52 PM	#3
Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 15,118 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	Maybe poor special teams is why we gained so much yardage without scoring.

03-16-2009, 04:53 PM	#4
SJ Bronco Ring of Famer Real Tree, No Seeds Join Date: May 2001 Location: San Jose Ca Posts: 9,798 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	the most sober thing I've heard so far.....

03-16-2009, 04:54 PM	#5
Rulon Velvet Jones You're not really here. Tight Butthole Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,599 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rent-A-DC	Put the "the whole organization wants you back" line through the Bus Cook filter, though, and it turns into "they all want you back, unless something better comes along".

03-16-2009, 04:55 PM	#6
BMarsh615 Ring of Famer 21’s No Champ Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,024 Adopt-a-Bronco: # 15	Cutler is crybaby facts don't matter/McDaniels fanboys

03-16-2009, 04:55 PM	#7
Bladerunner Ring of Famer ...Two weeks from everywhere! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,125 Adopt-a-Bronco: Willis McGahee	None of that is in dispute...by anyone...the Broncos just need to put sugar on top and all will be well I guess.

03-16-2009, 04:56 PM	#8
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,792	The Broncos have already clearly stated that the doors are open and they want him to come in and do his job. Where's the confusion, here? No one needs "give Cutler a chance." He needs to show up and do his job. He's not, so direct your ire at him, not the franchise.

03-16-2009, 04:57 PM	#9
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ "not an athlete" Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 33,348 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	Was that on the "Jimmy Page"? I like the message, but he's really one corny mother ****er.

03-16-2009, 05:01 PM	#10
BroncoFiend Ring of Famer The enemy's gate is down Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,511 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	Well...if you take what everyone is saying at face value, then McD won't trade Cutler, Cutler will show up for all mandatory events, and the Broncos will have Cutler as their QB next year. And since Jay always looks grumpy, no one will really be able to tell the difference once the season starts.

03-16-2009, 05:02 PM	#11
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 49,103	Jay has left town and demanded a trade. Maybe Armstrong, with his superior journalism skills, didn't hear about it?

03-16-2009, 05:03 PM	#12
Shoemaker A Lurker No More New to the Forum Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: People's Republic of Boulder Posts: 370 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	Right, Jimbo. Its up to "Coach J-mac" to mend fences with Jay. How should he go about that? Probably by saying stuff like "We're not going to trade Jay Cutler," treating Cutler like an adult and explaining that he DID listen to offers but then shut them down, and proposing one-on-one, Bus Cook-less meetings where he and the offended QB can sit down and hash things out without outside interference. That would be the best way for the coach to go about things. Luckily, this shouldn't be too hard to do, since Jay was in town this very day working out with those teammates that he loves and plays for. Come on, McFailidiotnumbnuts. Hurry up and mend fences already. Jay's waiting.

03-16-2009, 05:58 PM	#18
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,131 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Meeting wasn't optional the workout after was. At least thats what was said in the papers this weekend.

03-16-2009, 06:10 PM	#21
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I think people are taking the headline to personal. I think by "give Cutler a chance" Armstrong is actually saying "give Cutler a better defense."

03-16-2009, 06:11 PM	#22
NFLBRONCO Ring of Famer Go Nuggets Go Lakers Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lafayette Colorado Posts: 7,427	I think this would be all over IF Someone would point out to Jay Cassel was traded to kc he acts like he is still available. Cassel does not have a twin brother either.

03-16-2009, 06:26 PM	#25
Man-Goblin Giving You The Business Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 5,601 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	Jim Armstrong is the biggest hack of a writer I personally have ever read. He's horrible. HORRIBLE. He gets paid to spew out 3 worthless paragraphs two times a week. If someone is going to push his Cutler agenda he shouldn't use Jim Armstrong as a source. And oh, by the way, Armstrong stole this entire piece from a poster on this very same board. Be back in a sec if I can find it.